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Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Phoebe Ann, Jul 12, 2019.

  1. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

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    You have stated that Jesus had to work to gain His Godhood---as did His Father. Neither of which is true---you can not work to become God---you either are or are not.
    Who says we need a body in order to be resurrected?? We are given new bodies at the resurrection--as usual, you have it backwards.
     
  2. He is the way

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    Both are prophets of God.
     
  3. mmksparbud

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    I pray fir the day you will clearly see they were not.
     
  4. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    Read it again:
    (New Testament | Matthew 23:8)

    8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

    He is our master and our brother. See this also:

    (New Testament | John 20:17)

    17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    No deception only the truth. Faith without works is dead faith and can not save anyone.

    (New Testament | James 2:14 - 20)

    14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
    15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
    16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
    17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
    19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
     
  5. He is the way

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    I pray that your heart will be softened and you will see the truth.
     
  6. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

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    We are brother to Christ only as far as His humanity goes. We do not share in His divinity.
     
  7. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

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    Ditto.
     
  8. He is the way

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    What happened to Christ's body? Of course it was changed into a spiritual resurrected body, but it was still His body:
    (New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:42 - 51)

    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
    43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
    44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
    46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
    47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
    48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
    49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
     
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    Yes we can:

    (New Testament | 2 Peter 1:3 - 10)

    3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
    4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
    5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
    6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
    7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
    8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
    10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
     
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  10. mmksparbud

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    God doesn't need anybody's body! What do you think He does about all those bodies that were cremated, burned as martyrs, died in the ocean and were eaten by fish, or just plain disintegrated into the dust----
    Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

    All the saved will be changed. The living saved will be changed and the dead saved will be resurrected into new bodies. What? Did JS somewhere say God has to have our earthly bodies to be able to resurrect us? That is plain silly. (Trying to be polite!)
     
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    He will put all of those bodies back together even those that were burned:

    (Old Testament | 1 Samuel 2:6)

    6 The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

    (Old Testament | Isaiah 26:19)

    19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

    (Old Testament | Ezekiel 37:12)

    12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

    (New Testament | Matthew 27:52)

    52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

    (New Testament | John 5:21)

    21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
     
  12. mmksparbud

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    Right---He doesn't need the actual bodies! They don't exist for most. He recreates them.
     
  13. Pedra

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    That is not what he is inferring.
     
  14. Pedra

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    They are false prophets according to scripture.
     
  15. mmksparbud

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    Yah--I know--they also believe Jesus is brother to Satan instead of His creator.
    They refuse to acknowledge the fact the John 1:1-3 states Jesus created everything. They don't think everything means everything! They can't acknowledge it for it makes JS a liar.
     
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    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    There are false prophets but Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are true prophets of God.
     
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    (New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

    6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    (Old Testament | Proverbs 26:10)

    10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.

    (Old Testament | Jeremiah 33:2)

    2 Thus saith the LORD the maker thereof, the LORD that formed it, to establish it; the LORD is his name;

    (New Testament | Romans 9:20)

    20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
     
  18. mmksparbud

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    Yah--we know what it says. Jesus created Lucifer. They are not brothers.
     
  19. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    So you are saying that Satan can fool God?

    (Old Testament | Job 1:6)

    6 ΒΆ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    (Old Testament | Job 2:1)

    1 AGAIN there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
     
  20. Pedra

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    Not according to the Bible which is the ONLY source of scripture--period. People cannot just add their own fables and call their own outrageous writings "Holy scripture" and that is exactly what the deceiver JS did. He was a con-man like L. Ron Hubbard who founded Scientology.
     
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