How the great tribulation will end

[Jeffwhosoever]

I'm 100,000% ready.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Why can't the stars be literal stars?

Why not let scripture itself tell you what stars represent in the book of Revelation?

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I'm 100,000% ready.

For what exactly?

 

[TribulationSigns]

The literal stars are the size of the sun and many are multiple times larger. The size of the earth is dwarfed by the size of the sun. So it is physically not possible.

The stars is that particular verse is speaking about righteous people of God.

No. Elect do not fall.

The stars represent people of God's congregations, both the professed and the chosen Elect. Remember, many are called, few are chosen. The only stars that can fall are the unfaithful, rebellious, professed believers who have not yet sealed (chosen) of God. Those are only people whom Satan can deceive. Not the Elect.

Rev 9:3-4
(3) And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
(4) And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

 

[Douggg]

No. Elect do not fall.

Daniel 8:10 goes back to Daniel 7:25, the little horn person in that verse who wears out the saints of the most High.

Daniel 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The little horn is a person.

No it's not. It is how you read into Scripture. It is an assumption.

Another horn in Daniel 8, 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

It is referring to Alexander, which his Greece kingdom was broken up into four lesser kingdoms.

No, the he-goat represents the spiritual kingdom of Satan which is why he touched not the ground. The great horn allowed him to push with POWER (not man) so that the Ram couldn't stand before him. For example, it "symbolized" his GREAT POWER. And likewise, when his horn is broken, it symbolizes his power being taken away. Think about it, when did Satan's power was taken away? This great horn being broken is symbolic of the death blow the Lord gave the Kingdom of Satan by dealing him a deadly wound by the Cross! Yet as a defeated foe, Satan still goes about as a roaring lion (a beast) seeking whom he may devour all over the world (symbolically four horns/four winds). He was WITHOUT His great power to stop the church from bringing Gospel to the ends of the Earth. As it is written:

Dan 8:22
(22) Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

See? The great one is broken and scattered. The number four in Scripture signifies universality. Christ scattered the power of the Kingdom of Satan in binding him so that He could spoil (take by right of conquest) the people of the nations of the world. That is why Christ is that White Horse of Revelation 6 going forth conquer and TO CONQUER by spoiling people out of Satan's house! But Satan was not eliminated from the Earth. For he was bound NOT for the world, but for the people chosen by Grace out of the nations. Selah! The Gentiles or nations have not being deceived since the Cross. so Christ could build his church! When the Church went into the nations all of the world to enlightened them, Satan went as an adversary. Thisi s why Satan's power was broken and scattered towards the four winds (Daniel 8:8). When he was STRONG, the great horn was broken, that the Lord could establish His Kingdom. This was already took place at the Cross in case you have not read the Scripture, both in Old Testament and New Testament confirmed this:

Jer 31:10-11
(10) Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
(11) For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.

Mat 12:28-29
(28) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
(29) Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

The world is Satan's house. Christ came and bind the strong man, Satan, at the Cross. This is how Satan's great power was taken away (his great horn was broken). Sorry to disappoint you, but the horn is not a "person" (eg. Alexander the great).

Anyway, after Christ has finish sealing all of His people through the testimony of His church (Two Witnesses), the time of the end comes when Christ will then loosened Satan and allow his power to be restored as he has before the Cross to wage war against Two Witnesses in an attempt to silence their truthful testimony with their lying signs and wonders ("by peace, he shall destroy many") :

Rev 11:7
(7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Satan will prosper as he was before the Cross, but his power will be short-lived - a short time. That is what the little horn refers to! Selah!

A horn as a "person"? Please!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Daniel 8:10 goes back to Daniel 7:25, the little horn person in that verse who wears out the saints of the most High.

Daniel 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Do you even know what "wears out" the saints refers to? Satan can NOT deceive the Elect. He is only allowed by God to hurt those people of the congregation that are NOT yet sealed by God. There are MANY people in the congregations that are not saved! Didn't you read the Scripture I quoted?! Only the professed unfaithful believers of the congregation! This is why verse 10 said, "some" of the host! Not everyone in the church including the Elect. God is talking about the rebellious stars falling. Not the faithful stars. The false prophets with the doctrines and lies of the devil have been allowed by God to come into His congregation to frustrate Elect's truthful testimony, to wear them out but at the same time, being told that they can only hurt those who are not yet sealed (saved). The ones that God will not choose to be saved. In this way, the rebellious professed Christians will believe a lie coming out of the mouth of false prophets!

2Th 2:9-11
(9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
(11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

This is the Great Tribulation "FOR" the Elect because the time of salvation is over and the reign of Satan's little horn in God's congregation.

Let me give you some examples of what is going wrong in the churches today. The church is telling you to tolerate homosexuality and allow some of them to be pastors of the church. They will tell you that being transgender is okay. They will tell you that divorce and remarriage are allowed. They will tell you that women are allowed to preach before men. They will tell you that you will speak in tongues after being baptized. They will tell you that you will be blessed with riches if you pay tithes. They will provide you entertainment with worldly songs and blasphemous performances. They will tell you to support national Israel and get ready for the rapture when the nations attack Israel with the talking about 7 years peace treaty, etc. etc. etc. If you testify that these are unbiblical or wrong, you will be hated. They will accuse you as homophobic, hateful, persecuting, unloving, judgmental, un-gracious, etc. This is wearing out of the Saints for defending the Truth.

Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Why not let scripture itself tell you what stars represent in the book of Revelation?

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

This is a good example of why many professed Christians do not bother to study Scripture to find truth anymore. They only believe what they were told. They believe what is popular out there. They believe what they hear in the newspaper. They believe what seems right in their eyes (personal opinion, private interpretation, speculations, etc.).

Or, they may do read Scripture but will not find or understand truth anymore.

Amo 8:11-12
(11) Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
(12) And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Signs of time.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Now I'm not saying this is the end. But I am going to find out when the next eclipse visable from Jerusalem happens.

You are wasting time distracting yourself from Bible by looking into astronomy for the next eclipse from Jerusalem. Sigh!

There is no biblical reference for us to watch for something literally in the sky for the "signs."

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

NOT TRUE: It's not just the astrological condition. I know the Lord could make the sun dark and moon not give off its light. Its merely a opportunity for that to occur consistent with prophecy.

1) Next date of solar eclipse visible from Israel: 2030 AD
2) 2000 years after resurrection of our Lord: 2030 AD
3) A generation since Israel became a nation again: 2030 AD

Now I did not say that 2030 AD is the second return of the Lord. It might be the start, the middle, or the end of the 7 years of tribulation, or the start or end of the 3.5 years of great tribulation. We cannot know the year, but something is up with 2030 AD to have this 3 way alignment. Jesus said he would return AFTER this sign, so that does not mean the exact same hour, day, month, or even year. Also, we are warned against guessing, but I cannot tell if that guessing applies to the coming like a thief in the night to rapture church or is telling us we cannot know the time when he comes at the end of tribulation. The warning to not guess could apply to either the pre-trib rapture, a mid trib rapture, a post trib rapture, or the final second coming to establish the 1000 year reign.

Matthew 24 says (my paraphrasing for emphasis of key points):

1) Immediately after the distress of those days (tribulation)
2) The sun will turn dark and moon will not give off its light
3) Then we will see the sign of the Son of Man (God) in Heaven.

Note that the Olivet Discourse is not Paul or John or Peter talking, but the Lord Jesus Christ himself.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Matthew 24: 4-33:
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

This is a good example of why many professed Christians do not bother to study Scripture to find truth anymore. They only believe what they were told. They believe what is popular out there. They believe what they hear in the newspaper. They believe what seems right in their eyes (personal opinion, private interpretation, speculations, etc.).

Or, they may do read Scripture but will not find or understand truth anymore.

Amo 8:11-12
(11) Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
(12) And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Signs of time.

That is rather judgemental to claim that we do not bother to study Scripture to find truth anymore. You are talking to very intelligent and dedicated Christians. You might not believe the same as the rest of us, but please do not presume to know how we spend our time or how much of our time we spend in Scripture.

 

[Timtofly]

That is rather judgemental to claim that we do not bother to study Scripture to find truth anymore. You are talking to very intelligent and dedicated Christians. You might not believe the same as the rest of us, but please do not presume to know how we spend our time or how much of our time we spend in Scripture.

I doubt he was being literal.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm