How much of China's social credit system will we impliment in the US?

[tall73]

And how much have we already?

https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-system-turns-orwells-1984-into-reality/

We have heard about China's system for a while, and more of it is now going online. It involves rating each of China's citizens based on compliance with what the state thinks is appropriate behavior. And there are harsh penalties and limitations if your score gets too low.

We have more freedom in the west. But do you think that will last?


Edited to add quotes from sources that explain the program:


Perhaps you defaulted on a loan, made the mistake of criticizing some government policy online or just spent too much time playing video games on the internet. All of these actions, and many more, can cause your score to plummet, forcing citizens onto the most dreaded rung on China’s deadbeat caste system, the laolai.

And the punishments are shocking. The government algorithm will go as far as to install an “embarrassing” ring tone on the phones of laolai, shaming them every time they get a call in public.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-system-turns-orwells-1984-into-reality/

Chinese Social Credit Score: Utopian Big Data Bliss Or Black Mirror On Steroids?

In China, government agencies and private companies are collecting enormous amounts of data about e.g. an individual’s finances, social media activities, credit history, health records, online purchases, tax payments, legal matters, and people you associate with in, addition to images gathered from China’s 200 million surveillance cameras and facial recognition software. Data that indicates non-compliance with legally prescribed social and economic obligations and contractual commitments are flagged up and aggregated on a government-wide level to determine the trustworthiness of companies and individuals.

 

[tall73]

We are already aware of mass data collection due to Snowden, etc.

This report shows two US cities, Chicago and Detroit, have purchased real time facial recognition technology:

Some US Cities Are Moving Into Real-Time Facial Surveillance

 

[DaisyDay]

Big Brother, if you think government is competent and well-organized or Brazil if you think its dysfunctional.

 

[Aldebaran]

And how much have we already?

https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-system-turns-orwells-1984-into-reality/

We have heard about China's system for a while, and more of it is now going online. It involves rating each of China's citizens based on compliance with what the state thinks is appropriate behavior. And there are harsh penalties and limitations if your score gets too low.

We have more freedom in the west. But do you think that will last?

To answer your thread's title, I'd say it would depend on who we elect to be our government leaders. If we vote "Socialist", then we'll end up implementing it here as fast as it can be done. Such a system of controlling the people would make Mao proud.

 

[LostMarbels]

And how much have we already?

https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-system-turns-orwells-1984-into-reality/

We have heard about China's system for a while, and more of it is now going online. It involves rating each of China's citizens based on compliance with what the state thinks is appropriate behavior. And there are harsh penalties and limitations if your score gets too low.

We have more freedom in the west. But do you think that will last?

Not only is it coming. You cannot stop it.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[Goonie]

To answer your thread's title, I'd say it would depend on who we elect to be our government leaders. If we vote "Socialist", then we'll end up implementing it here as fast as it can be done. Such a system of controlling the people would make Mao proud.

Sorry, but if you vote Donald, can you see him resisting this level of authoritarian control?

 

[Petros2015]

China's system is pretty terrifying. And, I'm sure, also pretty tempting.

 

[Aldebaran]

Sorry, but if you vote Donald, can you see him resisting this level of authoritarian control?

Right now, he's fighting China rather than embracing it.

 

[LostMarbels]

Sorry, but if you vote Donald, can you see him resisting this level of authoritarian control?

Overthrowing tyranny is the hook. By not being authoritarian. People always rebel against oppression, and will support the system that gives them liberty. By showing that the current system is so flawed, and reliving the masses from its oppression, many will flock to a newly ushered in system as a respite, or even a fresh new way that is better than they had left. Also those who remember the old system, and it's perceived horrors, will fight to the death in defence of the new system that promises them liberty.

 

[RDKirk]

First, you characterized China's new policy incorrectly. It doesn't do what you say it does.

Second, you're talking about two cultures that began to diverge 2500 years ago.

China is a country in which people have deeply cared how they were judged by their society in the very smallest ways for 2500 years. Chinese residents have been controlled by social "likes" since Confucius. Chinese citizens are perfectly willing to "vote" for social judgment of their neighbors because that's the way they've always been trained: Social harmony first in all things, and propriety in all things leads to social harmony in all things.

Westerners don't give a rat's okole.

 

[hislegacy]

We have more freedom in the west. But do you think that will last?

What law, mandate, politician or political adviser in the US has anything to do with this?

Who is suggesting it?

what laws are supporting it?

 

[crossnote]

What law, mandate, politician or political adviser in the US has anything to do with this?

Who is suggesting it?

these would love to turn us into Beijing II ... https://ips-dc.org/

 

[RDKirk]

these would love to turn us into Beijing II ... Home - Institute for Policy Studies

No, nobody wants to conduct US public policy based on social "likes." Americans, regardless of politics, cherish the right to be jackasses when it suits them.

 

[RDKirk]

And how much have we already?

https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-system-turns-orwells-1984-into-reality/

We have heard about China's system for a while, and more of it is now going online. It involves rating each of China's citizens based on compliance with what the state thinks is appropriate behavior. And there are harsh penalties and limitations if your score gets too low.

You've characterized it incorrectly. It's based on Chinese citizens rating each other according to what they all think is appropriate social behavior.

 

[hislegacy]

these would love to turn us into Beijing II ... https://ips-dc.org/

Ok. No one then.

So this is just another hit piece towards the President.

 

[crossnote]

Ok. No one then.

So this is just another hit piece towards the President.

Perhaps. Not my OP.

 

[super animator]

To answer your thread's title, I'd say it would depend on who we elect to be our government leaders. If we vote "Socialist", then we'll end up implementing it here as fast as it can be done. Such a system of controlling the people would make Mao proud.

Ah yes, that spooky spooky word.

 

[super animator]

In other news.
San Francisco Approves Ban On Government's Use Of Facial Recognition Technology

 

[tall73]

You've characterized it incorrectly. It's based on Chinese citizens rating each other according to what they all think is appropriate social behavior.

They are encouraged to report or down vote each other for poor behavior--because they get a boost if they do. And they are reporting to the government which set all this up.

But when that is tied to the ability to take a flight, get a hotel room, etc. that is a problem.

And the map that people can look at that shows who all of the bad people are is a problem.

 

[tall73]

What law, mandate, politician or political adviser in the US has anything to do with this?

Who is suggesting it?

what laws are supporting it?

Better yet, which of the politicians in the last two decades have been rolling back the governments use of mass surveillance that eventually leads to such things?

Which politicians have been trying to get rid of the no fly list that lacks transparency or due process?

However, the OP is phrased as a question. If you think it is not going to happen here, then say that.