LOL
Sorry 'bout that.
Maybe we're going about this the wrong way...
If we sin we are still united with God in Christ,,,but we have sinned...as you say - until we confess our sin we lose fellowship...but we are still on our walk with God...we still desire to be with Him and abide in Him.
You never said what you believed abide to mean.
I did. The way Jesus used it in John 15:1-7 He meant to be in fellowship with Him. For the purpose of bearing fruit.
How does that sound so weird?
It means to live with...to be IN Christ...to live by His rules...to stay with Him..
to remain in Him...
No, it doesn't. Because Eph 1:13,14 proves that once sealed, the believer's inheritance is GUARANTEED until the day of redemption. Not "judgment".
What if we decide to leave Jesus?
The believer would be way out of fellowship. In full rebellion.
Yes, it is. Jesus explained that the second soil apostatized, in Luke 8:13.
Do we lose our free will after salvation?
No. What you seem confused about is that "leaving Jesus" must mean to leave salvation. No. The best example is the prodigal son. He physically left his father, but throughout the parable he remained a son. And even when he was willing to be demoted from son to slave, he wasn't given the chance to say such nonsense.
Could you please answer what
Colossians 1:22-23 means.
It plainly states that we will be presented before God blameless
IF WE CONTINUE IN THE FAITH firmly established and steadfast,,and not MOVED AWAY from the hope of the gospel.....
IF is a conditional word.
What IF WE DO NOT continue in the faith?
It should be obvious. Then the believer CAN'T be presented holy and blameless before Him.
How will we be presented before God blameless if we are not under the protection of Jesus?
Where would you get such an idea? Haven't you read John 10:28,29?
"28 I give them eternal life, and
they shall never perish;
no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all;
no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand."
Eternal security is all through these 2 verses.
First, by being given the gift of eternal life, the recipient shall never perish.
Second, no one, meaning no person at least, will snatch them out of Jesus' hand.
Third, no one, meaning no person at least, can snatch them out of His Father's hand.
I don't know how anyone with an open mind cannot see the clear teaching of eternal security in these 2 verses.
btw, I added "at least", because "no one" can include angels. But the point is that it should be obvious that "no one" does mean "no person".
Now, I suspect that you consider yourself as a person, right? I sure hope so. So Jesus was including the believer him/herself as those who CAN'T remove them from His or His Father's hand.
IF we have NOT continued in the faith....
The key to understanding these 2 verses is that the phrase "we will be presented before God blameless IF WE CONTINUE IN THE FAITH" refers to spiritual maturity.
iow, only by continuing in the faith can any believer grow up spiritually.
How does that sound so weird?
btw, here are specific questions I asked of you.
But you didn't answer my question about fellowship within a marriage or with a parent and child.
Do you or don't you understand what fellowship means in those relationships?
Do you understand that fellowship deals with the state of the relationship?
Did you not answer because you don't know the answer, or just didn't want to answer?
These questions are very important, because the importance of fellowship must be understood in order to understand Scripture.
Yet, you have mocked in the past the idea, and even now, you seem rather bland about the concept of fellowship.
I'll make this even more personal. If you are married, how would your marriage be if your husband continually offended you greatly? What kind of marriage would you have?