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How many holy texts did you read?

How many holy texts did you read BEFORE becoming a christian?

  • None - Not even the Bible

  • Just the Bible

  • 2-3

  • 4-6

  • 7-10

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How many holy texts did you completely read before you decided that Christianity was the right religion?

Additionally, I'm curious, how did you then decide which denomination of Christianity was the "correct" one?

I hope this is the right place for this question; you guys have a ton of forum categories lol
 
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How many holy texts did you completely read and understand before you decided that Christianity was the right religion?
Hi I can't really answer accurately because I can't claim to fully understand the Bible, let alone other sacred texts. It takes a lifetime to even scratch the surface, I think. But prior to becoming a Christian, I was an atheist and wasn't looking for God. Subsequent to my conversion, have looked into lots of faiths for research/apologetics/theology training, but have never read the Koran with a view to becoming Muslim or anything.
Additionally, I'm curious, how did you then decide which denomination of Christianity was the "correct" one?
I didn't, really. I don't like that we have so many denominatons because it can so easily muddy the waters. We can put denominational dogma or doctrine ahead of the simple truth that Jesus is Lord. I don't belong to a denomination because, I guess, it would be hypocritical to dislike the schism and then wilfully endorse it.
I hope this is the right place for this question; you guys have a ton of forum categories lol
This is the right place, yeah And welcome to CF! Tis good to have you here.
 
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I suppose the criteria of "fully understand" is indeed quite a limiting factor since to fully understand anything, as you said, takes much dedication. I went ahead and removed that from my original post; thanks for bringing that to my attention

(although, IMHO, I think people should fully understand, at the very least, the religion they're pursuing, if not all the major religions, before believing any single one is the truth. People put more time and effort into researching a new car than they do a life-long dedication of religion - but thats besides the point of this thread and my intention is not to cause debate over this issue)

With that said, how many holy texts did you read from cover to cover before you converted? If you don't mind answering.
 
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I don't mind, at all. I didn't read any. I think, to be honest, if I had, I probably would have resisted God for a lot longer than I did.

I'd love to be able to tell you that I searched for God as intellectual pursuit, and came to a rational, reasoned decision that, yes, Christianity was the path I wanted to take. I imagine that would give me far more credibility in some ways. But it didn't happen that way, at all. I only started approaching faith intellectually afterwards. I mean, I'd read enough beforehand to be able to debate Christians and poke what I thought were holes in their arguments, but there was no genuine search for truth.
 
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None. God called me into Christianity, and (eventually) I got around to reading the bible.

I don't think that's true. The type of decision represented by one's religion/philosophy/worldview isn't the same sort of thing as the type of decision about buying a car, but I spent all of maybe 10 hours on the later decision, and my whole life on the former.
 
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How many holy texts did you completely read before you decided that Christianity was the right religion?

For me, coming to Christ was a long process. I have read writings from the major world religions and several sects during that process (and continue at different times to read such writings).

E.g., I've read the Bible, the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, in addition to significant portions of other religious writings (Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Mormon etc).

My testimony (summary of my path from atheism to Christ is accessible thru my profile on this site). For your convenience here is the link http://www.godsci.org/gs/chri/testimony/seek.html (MODS my apologies if it is a rule violation to post this link; if so pls delete this link).

Additionally, I'm curious, how did you then decide which denomination of Christianity was the "correct" one?

I am a non-denominational Christian (and attend a non-denominational church), but I do fellowship with Christians from the various denominations (e.g., Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Congregational etc) and accept them as brothers and sisters in Christ if they have committed their lives to Christ based on the gospel.

Cordially,
John
 
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I read the Koran, the Bhagavad Vita and parts of some buddhist writings... as well as he Bible. I can't claim to fully understand anything.. but I have a degree of knowledge of world religions.
And I don't think that any denomination is 'right'... I think all of them have some things right and some wrong.. much like us human beings. If someone loves Jesus, that is all that matters.. what church they attend is generally down to their upbringing or personal taste. It's Jesus that matters, not the denomination.
 
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Let's see, like Criada I've read the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita and parts of some Buddhist writings. However, I've also read Hare Krishna literature, the Tao Te Ching, the Urantia Book, the Book of Mormon, the Poetic Edda, the Upanishads, al-hadith, and probably others I've forgotten about. I've learned about major world religions, spiritual trends, historical religions that have seen a resurgence (reconstructionist religions), paganism, satanist philosophies (including Temple of Set), etc. My undergrad degree was in Anthropology, so it would be really strange had I not read a lot.

(And, I hope you don't mind a copy-paste of an old post of mine that addresses the rest of your question.)

I was raised Pentecostal. I wanted to believe that the holy scriptures (Christian) were what they claimed to be, but I had some difficulties, I must admit. It does boil down to the ultimate question of whether God exists or not, and how does one know?

So, since you asked, I'll give you some background info on why I believe. I don't consider what I went through to be a true deconversion. I had been a hard core believer for most of my life and never thought I'd change either. However, when it happened, it was enough for me to post a deconversion testimony on a website for former Christians.

It was heartbreaking for me and I really had a difficult time. I did go through my own dark night of the soul. At the same time, I was also overjoyed with not having to go to church anymore, as I truly lost all sense of church services etc. even being remotely useful or relevant to my life. It all seemed so pointless. I saw this huge disconnect between the Church that the New Testament spoke about and what I was seeing in the Pentecostal, Baptist, and independent Christian churches I had gone to every Sunday and Wednesday of my life.

I didn't consider going to those churches that were considered more 'liberal' because while social justice issues are important, I didn't see the point in calling themselves Christian if they were rejecting the fundamentals of the faith anyway. I figured I could be involved in helping others, be more honest with myself in the process, and sleep in on Sundays. Everything I had ever encountered in Christianity seemed to be well intentioned, but wrong somehow.

I began calling myself a Deist, but I wasn't satisfied with that and started researching other religions and philosophies. I liked Taoism, but I honestly didn't see anything else that I considered worth my time to believe in. I couldn't call myself an atheist because I had a few experiences in my life that made me aware of a spiritual world out there. However, knowing this didn't make finding the truth an easy process, and skeptics had a lot of good questions that I began to examine as my own.

Long story short, I was a jaded and bitter individual. I felt I had good reason to be as I had a lot of negative religious/spiritual experiences. I understand where people are coming from who are angry, because I can relate to an extent. However, my bitterness began to turn into hatred of all things Christian, to the point where I started to see that I was becoming the sort of person I didn't want to be. I didn't like myself at all.

I didn't give up my search though. I read a lot. I sent desperate, pleading prayers out for God (if He even existed) to lead me to the truth. It was coming across Orthodox Christianity on the net that piqued my interest. I thought I knew everything about Christianity- enough to know that all the groups I was familiar with weren't going to cut it for me. I found the only Orthodox book at my local Barnes and Noble and bought the beat up and bent copy of it. I read it, I was cautious about it, I tried to dismiss it (but it kept coming to mind), and I eventually decided that I wanted to go visit an Orthodox church.

If I recall correctly, I think it was the Orthodox teaching on hell that really swayed me. It’s not the same. I could never buy into the whole Jonathan Edwards’ Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God thing where God hates everyone and just specifically creates people to torment for eternity. It never rang true. However, reading about what the Orthodox Church believes regarding heaven and hell, it did ring true to me.

So, what is this view of heaven and hell? God is Love and His presence is like fire. How one endures this fire has everything to do with how they were tempered in this life, just like the three righteous youths in the fiery furnace were able to joyfully walk around unharmed in the fire, so did others who didn't love God perish just being near the fire. The fire didn't change.

Here is a quote from an old Wikipedia article on the topic (that doesn’t seem to be around anymore) that I thought explained it pretty well: "For many ancient Christians, Hell was the same "place" as Heaven: living in the presence of God and directly experiencing God's love. Whether this was experienced as pleasure or torment depended on one's disposition towards God. St. Isaac of Syria wrote in Mystic Treatises: "... those who find themselves in Hell will be chastised by the scourge of love. How cruel and bitter this torment of love will be! For those who understand that they have sinned against love, undergo greater suffering than those produced by the most fearful tortures. The sorrow which takes hold of the heart, which has sinned against love, is more piercing than any other pain. It is not right to say that the sinners in Hell are deprived of the love of God ... But love acts in two ways, as suffering of the reproved, and as joy in the blessed!" This ancient view is still the doctrine of the Eastern Orthodox Church."

I was very reluctant to go back to any sort of church again. The first Sunday my husband (who was agnostic at the time) and I even turned around in the church parking lot and went out for coffee instead. However, we eventually made our way in for Divine Liturgy.

How does one explain to someone else about experiencing the presence of God? All I knew was that it wasn't simply my own emotions wreaking havoc with me- some things come from outside of ourselves- and people who know themselves well can discern this difference. (I was raised Pentecostal and I am rather immune to situations designed to manipulate emotions.) It was like being confronted with all of the answers to my questions after my long search. I knew I had to convert. God was there. Christ is in the Eucharist- which is something I had difficulty accepting as I was raised to accept a very different thing as being the truth- but have certainly experienced beyond a doubt since my Chrismation. Can I prove this to you? No. Were our personal experiences enough to prove it to me and my husband? Yes.

I essentially discovered a Christianity that is an entirely different religion from what I knew before. I had to start over again completely. I couldn't go back to what I thought I knew and believed. I just couldn't. There was something missing there, or I wouldn't have been unhappy enough to leave in the first place. We have the same holy scriptures and belief in the trinity, but everything else is radically different. I somehow knew it was my only chance when I discovered the Orthodox Church.

Except, I personally need the Church. I can't go it alone. I need the liturgy, I need the Eucharist, I need the prayers of the Church, and I especially need all of the sacraments of Christ's Holy Church . I need to go the hospital for what ails me; the ark of our salvation. I need the medicine of immortality.
 
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How many holy texts did you completely read before you decided that Christianity was the right religion?

First of all, just let me say that I don't believe that choosing one religious text over another is a valid reason to become a Christian.

I believe, from what I have studied in scripture, that one becomes a Christian upon being baptized, baptism, itself, a response to being born again.

So the question I always ask new converts or potential new converts is not "did you find the Bible to be true" (although, obviously, that is very important), rather, "Have you been born again".

But, anyhoo, to answer your question, I grew up in a family where the Bible was considered to be one of many valid religious texts. I studied Hinduism (although just to learn, never with the intent of converting), Buddhism, various New Age and Native American religious writings, and Judaism. When I was a child, my family rented a house from a wonderful old Jewish couple in a Jewish community in New Jersey. I learned yiddish, a basic understanding of Hebrew, and studied the Torah with them.

I never considered converting, but to this day, I do have a deep and abiding love for the Jews and for Judaism.

I flirted with Scientology, but dropped that after about fifteen minutes, once I relized how shallow it was, and tried to read the Urantia book but, again, dropped it because it was just too bizzare.

After becoming a Christian, I studied many Catholic writings and, because I was in a ministry to non-Christian religions (NOT TO MODERATORS: I DID NOT CALL CATHOLICISM A NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGION) such as Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses and the like, I studied their writings.

Additionally, I'm curious, how did you then decide which denomination of Christianity was the "correct" one?

Maybe this is oversimplifying it a little but there are core teachings in each Christian denomination commonly known as "the essentials". these doctrines are common to all Christian denominations, so a Baptist can go to a Methodist church and not feel particularly out of place, a Methodist can go to a Presbyterian church, and so on.

After that, there are peripheral doctrines that may vary some from denomination to denomination. These are things that the Bible calls "disputable matters" or adiopheron or, in contrast to the essentials, we simply call them "the non-essentials."

After that, it's a matter of culture. Do you like the music? Do you like the people? etc.

For me, when I became a Christian, I could just as easily have become a Methodist or a Prebyterian, but I found that I agreed with credo-baptism (baptism of adults as symbolic of being born again) over paedo-baptism (baptism of babies in the belief that the baptism ritual bestows "grace" on them), and I found that the people I most admired for their Christian walk were Baptists and that the preachers and teachers I was most drawn to were Baptists. In fact, the man I credit with leading me to Christ was a Baptist preacher down in the Florida Keys.

My family was horrified. They all thought I was going to become a snake-handler or something.

I found that I agreed with Baptist theology and practices, I agreed with the non-essentials they held, I liked the culture of that church, and I found it to be stimulating to my walk with Christ, so I stayed.

Except for a brief and very much misguided foray into the Word of Faith movement, I've been a Baptist ever since.
 
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