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Featured How long until Israel declares Jesus as their Messiah?!

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by friend of, Dec 11, 2017.

  1. friend of

    friend of Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It appears we are heading into the Millennial Kingdom rapidly! It looks like Jesus is saving Israel through US foreign policy! How long until Israel declares Jesus their long-awaited Messiah?!
     
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  2. Winken

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    Soon, I trust! (There's a couple of things that have to happen first!)
     
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  3. Sola1517

    Sola1517 Regenerated Wretch

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    And... How do you know?
     
  4. God bless Joshua

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    Until the 144000 good Hebrews are sealed and they are at the 4 corners of the earth, not in Israel.
     
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  5. SummaScriptura

    SummaScriptura Forever Newbie

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    Jesus said he is coming soon. The regeneration of Israel comes first. So, the regeneration of Israel is coming soon-er.
     
  6. Tutorman

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    I am on the fence about all this. I am not sure that this Israel is what is in the Bible. I still pray for them as the only democracy in the middle east and I have heard so much end time stuff that it gets to be quite much. No one knows when it is and it has always been bad throughout history somewhere and somebody always says "it's coming to the end", really I don't think it is on speculation I think the end is very far off but I don't know.
     
  7. revanneosl

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    I find the idea that God Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth, needs a Game Show Host to tell him where the capital of Israel is to be just the most laughable thing I have ever heard.
     
  8. AnticipateHisComing

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    Don't be so blind in your politics. Ever see Back to the Future? They made fun of an actor that said and made it happen "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!".

    I remind you of previous presidents that promised to do what Trump has announced, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. Trump has the brass ones to deliver where others lied just to get elected. Contrast this with the president that sued all the way to the Supreme Court to block recognition of Jerusalem as Israel, that listened to a pastor that says GD the United States.

    Pundits if you can call them so, more often just commentators and not experts, say this will antagonize the others and hurt the peace. They said the same of Reagan with his tear down this wall.
     
  9. AnticipateHisComing

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    I don't interpret one symbolic text to imply a literal 1000 years of Jesus on earth. I say Jesus already came and set up his Church along with binding Satan. He reigns and has been leading the Church for the last 2000 years. He reigns with all that have been "resurrected", aka born again.
     
  10. AnticipateHisComing

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    But at the end of the time of the reign of Jesus and his Church, Satan will be set free for a short time to deceive the world. There will be great strife in this time. I do not think Israel, people of Jewish faith, will turn to accept Jesus unless they come under great oppression. This is what it took in the past, ie Babylonian captivity. I think it will be worse than Hitler's exterminations because they did not turn to Jesus then. My greatest fear is Iranian use of nuclear weapons against them.
     
  11. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    I disagree.
    Ezekiel 7 and 38 specifically mentions the land of Israel.....
    Revelation is simply showing the destruction of OC Jerusalem/Judea and it's temple and Priesthood. I wish I could get the Jews of today to understand it....

    Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

    Ezekiel 7:
    1 And a Word of YHWH is becoming to me to say of, `And thou, Son of 'adam, thus says my-Lord YHWH to Ground of Yisra'el:
    2 An End comes, the End on Four of Corners of the Land.
    3 Now the End upon thee, and I send My anger in thee, and I judge thee as ways of thee and I give on thee all abominations of thee
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    Ezekiel 38:
    19 "And in My jealously, in fire of rage of Me I speak, if not in that day, shall become a great earthquake on ground of Yisra'el"
    [Revelation 16:18]


    Reve 7:1 After this I saw four Messengers standing upon the Four corners/gwniaV <1137> of the Land,

    Reve 20:8 and he shall be coming out to deceive the nations, the in the Four Corners/gwniaiV <1137> of the Land, the Gog and magog, to be mobilizing them into the battle of which the number of them as the sand of the sea. [Ezekiel 7:1/Isaiah 10]

    Romans 9:27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the Number of the sons of Israel as the Sand of the Sea, the Remnant shall be being saved'". [Isaiah 10:22,23]
    You ever visit this board? I view it something akin to the entering "Twilight Zone", ehehe

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  12. SummaScriptura

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    [incredulity]You believe the Devil is bound now!?[/incredulity]
     
  13. Dkh587

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    The secular & manmade nation created in 1948 called Israel will never declare it.
     
  14. friend of

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    I find this interesting, because if what you say is true, then why would the Lord pursue Israel at all? It would be a futile mission. Surely our Lord is beyond futility?
     
  15. Radagast

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    Personally, I think it happened 1,700 years ago, when most of the Jews converted.

    Sure do. The devil can't do anything except persuade people to do wrong.

    What makes you think the Lord is "pursuing Israel"? His concern is with the Church.
     
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  16. ~Cassia~

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    What could he do before 1,700 years ago?
     
  17. AnticipateHisComing

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    You may be as incredulous as you want, but start with the simplest idea of what limits Satan. When few follow God, Satan/his demons are able to enter many. When the Church grew, Satan's ability to possess people was limited. When the Church is strong, Satan's ability to deceive the nations of the world is greatly reduced. When the Church goes weak, he will be able to freely deceive the nations.

    Acts records Jesus' words explaining to Saul how the preaching of God's word increases light in the world as opposed to the darkness and power of Satan.

    Acts 26:15“ ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,’ the Lord replied. 16 ‘Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of me. 17 I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them 18 to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’ ​

    So in the context of Revelation 20, Satan is not bound completely, but is limited in his reach with the strength of the Church. Further look to scripture to see that Jesus while in heaven still reigns and leads the Church.

    1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.​

    Lastly, think about Christmas. If the Son of God was able to live as man on earth, then why not Satan? When Jesus came there followed a great expansion of his Church. A time will come when Satan will live on earth and cause a great deception to the world. This will be the time when he is let loose. That means he will not be bound anymore. That means he is bound right now. That does not mean he has no influence right now. It is just limited, but be prepared for the days of Satan. They will have many great trials.
     
  18. AnticipateHisComing

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    God may call who he calls as Romans 11 teaches. There was a time of the patriarchs. There is now a time of the Gentiles. God still desires the Jews to return to him.

    Romans 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
     
  19. Yekcidmij

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    Why or how is US foreign policy saving Israel?

    You mean the modern nation-state of Israel? Probably never. That's my guess, but who knows.
     
  20. friend of

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    It's standing up for and acknowledging Israel's right to the city of Jerusalem.
     
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