How long before someone calls for another gun ban?

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Police said the man had a powerful military rifle of a type the Soviets used to use.

The Mosin-Nagant design is about 120 years old but it fires a bigger bullet than the modern M-16.

This time of 19th century bolt action rifles...because they are too powerful.

The general public does not need to have such powerful military grade weaponry, and we need to reduce the danger to police on our street. No one should have access to such powerful rifles.
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This time of 19th century bolt action rifles...because they are too powerful.

The general public does not need to have such powerful military grade weaponry, and we need to reduce the danger to police on our street. No one should have access to such powerful rifles.
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So I assume you are upset because more people aren't complaining about guns?

Why?

Isn't it enough for you gun-lovers that this country is gun paradise? Is it no longer fun for gun lovers when people don't complain all the time about dangerous weapons in our midst?

Is that your game?

Why are you trolling for people to get up in arms?
 
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Hunters need such rifles.

People who want to use guns for home defends do not need such rifles, unless they live on a huge estate and want to defend the borders of their huge tracts of land from their bedroom window.
 
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Hunters need such rifles.

People who want to use guns for home defends do not need such rifles, unless they live on a huge estate and want to defend the borders of their huge tracts of land from their bedroom window.

Some people that want guns to defend their homes are hunters.
 
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Hunters need such rifles.

People who want to use guns for home defends do not need such rifles, unless they live on a huge estate and want to defend the borders of their huge tracts of land from their bedroom window.

what?

you can use a rifle to defend your home, though you would be advised to get a handgun incase things become close quartered.
 
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what?

you can use a rifle to defend your home, though you would be advised to get a handgun incase things become close quartered.

Sure you can, but it isn't ideal in most circumstances. You could get caught in furniture, and most rifles of that kind (especially the ones used for hunting) have a scope on them that prevents effective use in close quarters. Also, you can't just take of the scope, because then, you have to recalibrate it after putting it back on.

Some people that want guns to defend their homes are hunters.

Do you want me to paint you a venn diagram?
 
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Sure you can, but it isn't ideal in most circumstances. You could get caught in furniture, and most rifles of that kind (especially the ones used for hunting) have a scope on them that prevents effective use in close quarters. Also, you can't just take of the scope, because then, you have to recalibrate it after putting it back on.

This isn't always the case. After all, most militaries use long guns (rifles, carbines, shotguns, etc.) to clear buildings.

You have a point with the scope, except rifles that are used for home defense usually don't have a scope with a magnification, or if they do it has variable zoom. Likewise, many people prefer to have backup iron sights so that if something happens to prevent themselves from using the scope they can still aim the weapon.
 
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The militaries of the world have toys like robots dogs that run faster than the fastest human alive, that hunt humans with infrared, can see through rock, and shoot 1000 rounds a minute - and people really think handguns and rifles are too powerful for civilians? Heck, local PD have military hand-me-down toys for "crowd control;" a hand gun is like a stick compared. A rifle is like a stone compared.

The second amendment goes beyond right to bear: it is about a duty of the people to be armed as static members of the union's militia, to protect the people from both internal and external threats, if needed. You ban guns, and then you make yourself a target for criminals and tyranny. This is common sense. Who would a criminal likely attack: an unarmed civilian, or known armed and trained civilian? Path of least resistance works for crime too.
 
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I think the "well regulated Militia" part deserves some discussion.

Assault rifles and shotguns are something completely different than bolt-operated high-caliber rifles.

That said, nobody is for banning such rifles. Even I may own such rifles over here in Germany.

This is just fake outrage.
 
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The militaries of the world have toys like robots dogs that run faster than the fastest human alive, that hunt humans with infrared, can see through rock, and shoot 1000 rounds a minute - and people really think handguns and rifles are too powerful for civilians? Heck, local PD have military hand-me-down toys for "crowd control;" a hand gun is like a stick compared. A rifle is like a stone compared.

The second amendment goes beyond right to bear: it is about a duty of the people to be armed as static members of the union's militia, to protect the people from both internal and external threats, if needed. You ban guns, and then you make yourself a target for criminals and tyranny. This is common sense. Who would a criminal likely attack: an unarmed civilian, or known armed and trained civilian? Path of least resistance works for crime too.

Drones thus far are very ineffective when it comes to taking out large groups of people. Also being able to fire 1000 rounds a minute can actually make something less dangerous, there is a limit to how much those things can carry. That's why soldiers don't usually use the "full-auto" feature on military rifles... :doh:

The fact is the Obama Administration has behaved in a manner that justifies people being paranoid about the government.
 
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Drones thus far are very ineffective when it comes to taking out large groups of people. Also being able to fire 1000 rounds a minute can actually make something less dangerous, there is a limit to how much those things can carry. That's why soldiers don't usually use the "full-auto" feature on military rifles... :doh:

The fact is the Obama Administration has behaved in a manner that justifies people being paranoid about the government.

So, the narrative is that the 2nd amendment was supposed to be for when there were muskets and low powered rifles to worry about, not nukes.

The "they have better weapons than we do, so we should abandon ours because fighting is futile" argument is hackneyed and illogical. Even if you brought a knife to a gun fight, what person trying to survive would say, "oh, gun beans knife... might as well give up my better weapon"? If people actually cared about a well regulated militia part of the 2nd amendment, there would be more outrage for civilians to be able to acquire more comparable weapons according to technological trajectory. Does that mean grant people the right to nukes? No. Does it mean that if the police are becoming more militarized, the people should have a fighting chance with comparable weapons? YES.

I don't think people understand that the population of the States is a static militia, and it is the citizens job as much as it is the military to protect the country through diplomacy and/or military and militia. It is folly to accept increasingly abusive and militarized police, willingly allow the military to spend $ tens of billions of your tax dollars to make machines to "take out large groups of people," and then whine that civilians are the scary ones with hand guns, and rifles. If the "your is bigger than mine, so why bother with mine" argument was actually valid, then Boeing and Lockheed Martin would be bankrupt, since a lot of countries have pressure, nuclear, fusion, neutron, sonic electrical bombs, and satellite black ops technologies that could take out entire cities, military batteries and bases. No, they still make fighter jets and low yield weapons because they are tactical. Just because you have an assault rifle, drone, tank, "big dog," doesn't mean it is the ideal weapon to use. You don't nuke or bomb places that are valuable; this is why 2 superpowers (US and USSR) failed and collapsed when trying to fight "cave dwelling goat herders who are equipped with rifles and RUDIMENTARY incendiaries. Do you think an Afghani said, "The USSR has the Tsar bomb, and tanks and air ships. Let's give up; our rifles are useless. No. They knew some fight was better than no fight, and the more astute of them realized the USSR would be forced to use weapons they could fight against as to avoid destroying the land and resources. Defense goes way beyond the largest weapon. Does no one read Sun Tzu?
 
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How? Specifically?

The IRS targetting Conservatives for political reasons.

Benghazi, and the Obama Adminstration lieing to the American people.

Fast and Furious

Letting New Black Panther Party members go free after they got caught on camera sporting weapons at a polling place.

Obamacare

NSA spying on the American People

Want me to go on?
 
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