How long are you willing to be on Lockdown?

How Long are you willing to Go on Lockdown?

  • Forever - no more freedoms for Americans

    Votes: 6 12.8%
  • Open it up now - give us our liberties back

    Votes: 7 14.9%
  • Until a they find a vaccine - 18 months

    Votes: 17 36.2%
  • No answer

    Votes: 17 36.2%

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but if you can only get it once and I have read somewhere that between 10-50% do not even show any signs at all would that not mean that it could only go so far once restrictions were lifted (once we get a handle on it).

Yes, we can get to the point that nearly everyone is either immune through surviving the disease...or dead. (We should also keep in mind that a large percentage of the survivors will also have lingering lung and kidney damage.)

The quickest way to get to that point would be to lift the restrictions and encourage activity as usual.
 
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I'd like to buy stocks in test kits for the short term. But if we are infected before symptoms show there is still at least a two day period where we can infect others without knowing it.

Everything we do in life requires some risk. At some point the reward outweighs the risk.
 
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Yes, we can get to the point that nearly everyone is either immune through surviving the disease...or dead. (We should also keep in mind that a large percentage of the survivors will also have lingering lung and kidney damage.)

The quickest way to get to that point would be to lift the restrictions and encourage activity as usual.
I wonder how long that would take?
 
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Everything we do in life requires some risk. At some point the reward outweighs the risk.
And that viewers is why these pandamics come in waves. Generally the second wave is worst than the first. A lot of people are infected, but they are tired of staying home, they get out and almost overnight a bigger wave of infections hits.
 
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I wonder how long that would take?
There have been many pandemics over the years. They usually fade or the herd immunity kicks in after about two years. Consider that polio was around for decades until we got the shot (of dead virus btw, not the live one they later banned or the modified live ones of today)
 
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And that viewers is why these pandamics come in waves. Generally the second wave is worst than the first. A lot of people are infected, but they are tired of staying home, they get out and almost overnight a bigger wave of infections hits.

The conversation included doing daily testing and making appropriate adjustments in accordance with that testing . The risk was that there ae two days in which there might be a chance that someone would be infected by a person with a negative test. There was no one advocating dumping all precaution and returning to the status quo prior to the pandemic.
 
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Well, it's not all bad...

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Well, it's not all bad...
It has also been reported that atmospheric pollution is almost non existent with the worldwide lock downs. The Chinese may report seeing the sun for the first time in decades.
 
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The conversation included doing daily testing and making appropriate adjustments in accordance with that testing . The risk was that there ae two days in which there might be a chance that someone would be infected by a person with a negative test. There was no one advocating dumping all precaution and returning to the status quo prior to the pandemic.
Frequent testing is what was so successful for Korea. Second, there are already people in authority (Governors, etc) calling for us to just bite the bullet and go back to work. There are people having "Coronavirus parties". The argument is always "risk vs reward".
 
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Frequent testing is what was so successful for Korea. Second, there are already people in authority (Governors, etc) calling for us to just bite the bullet and go back to work. There are people having "Coronavirus parties". The argument is always "risk vs reward".
As it relates to frequent testing in Korea remember there is a heck of a population difference.
 
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And that viewers is why these pandamics come in waves. Generally the second wave is worst than the first. A lot of people are infected, but they are tired of staying home, they get out and almost overnight a bigger wave of infections hits.
but if as suspected you can only get it once and so many people had it and did not know it (thus recovered without knowing they ever had it there would not be so many people to infected,
 
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but if as suspected you can only get it once and so many people had it and did not know it (thus recovered without knowing they ever had it there would not be so many people to infected,

Several pretty big ifs there though.
 
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but if as suspected you can only get it once and so many people had it and did not know it (thus recovered without knowing they ever had it there would not be so many people to infected,
The value of testing includes the fact that you will confirm to people that they had it and are now immune. This will allow these people to return to a normalcy without the anxiety. This will also help our economy return to normal without risking others lives. Frequent testing will also let people know that they have not gotten it, or that they are currently infected. Again, two really important things to know if you are trying to stop the transmission.
 
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The value of testing includes the fact that you will confirm to people that they had it and are now immune. This will allow these people to return to a normalcy without the anxiety. This will also help our economy return to normal without risking others lives. Frequent testing will also let people know that they have not gotten it, or that they are currently infected. Again, two really important things to know if you are trying to stop the transmission.
that still does not address the problem with frequent testing ( at least for a while of if we do not have the tests to test everyone once how the heck will we have frequent testing of the same people?
 
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that still does not address the problem with frequent testing ( at least for a while of if we do not have the tests to test everyone once how the heck will we have frequent testing of the same people?
From what I understand this is a temporary problem that is about to be solved. We do have tests that take 15 minutes, we do have tests that can be performed at home (at least the swabs) which might then be sent to a lab. Also if you do the testing initially it is not necessary to test everyone. For example once we knew this came from China testing people flying in regardless of symptoms would have been very effective. Likewise testing people that do have symptoms. If we had acted as extremely as Taiwan and Korea did we might not have had to shut the entire country down. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, looking at the stock market crash and unemployment numbers should put in perspective how much the pound of cure costs. There is nothing that we could have spent on testing in the early stages that could have even approached the cost we are now paying.

We need to learn from this for the next time. Hopefully 99% of the US will not die from this and going forward we certainly don't want to have to repeat the shutting down of the entire country.
 
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From what I understand this is a temporary problem that is about to be solved. We do have tests that take 15 minutes, we do have tests that can be performed at home (at least the swabs) which might then be sent to a lab. Also if you do the testing initially it is not necessary to test everyone. For example once we knew this came from China testing people flying in regardless of symptoms would have been very effective. Likewise testing people that do have symptoms. If we had acted as extremely as Taiwan and Korea did we might not have had to shut the entire country down. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, looking at the stock market crash and unemployment numbers should put in perspective how much the pound of cure costs. There is nothing that we could have spent on testing in the early stages that could have even approached the cost we are now paying.

We need to learn from this for the next time. Hopefully 99% of the US will not die from this and going forward we certainly don't want to have to repeat the shutting down of the entire country.
Well, considering that most people do not die. In fact, the current body count is between seven and eight k I doubt 99% of the population will die.
 
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Well, considering that most people do not die. In fact, the current body count is between seven and eight k I doubt 99% of the population will die.
I said hopefully 99% would not die. Although that would be typical of the death rate when the hospitals get overwhelmed the death rate can go up to as much as 4%. So whether it is less than 1% or not depends on whether we can flatten the curve and so far we have not had much if any success with that in the US
 
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I said 99% would survive, not die.
OH I thought you were meaning that 99% would die, but you are saying that the 99% remaining to rebuild.
 
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