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How likely is it that satan poses as God or Jesus Christ

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Jesusfann777888, Apr 7, 2021 at 2:48 PM.

  1. Jesusfann777888

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    my question Evaluates that at certain time's in church people have believed that a Bible verse that they insinuate keep's on getting repeated in their life is a message from God when rather:

    1.) All Scripture only Pertain's to the person Yahweh Addressed.

    Therefore, it seem's oddly relatable to horoscope's and orarcle reading that certain people believe that a repetitive Bible Verse appearing in their lives is a message from God Especially where God talks to the prophet's audibly. The Bible Say'S a wicked generation seek's after a sign.

    I have Considered what if one of the strategy's satan has employed would be as a spirit, posing as if God or Jesus Christ, while misleading people who do not read The Bible in which they interpret spiritual expierience's are the result of God but because they do not read Scripture, they do not know they are being mislead to do thing's that are not Scriptural by a spirit that has seduced them.

    This seem's highly relatable to the spirits being reffered to as deceitfull spirit's and encompasses a curiosity I have had for some time now concerning the nature of spirit's and their interaction with people, and also why religion's seem to show no lack of spiritual expieriences that they attribute to their concept of their (f)god.

    thought's?

    My more pronounced curiosity is:

    1. does satan speak in sign's and symbol's
    2. Does God Speak Directly to a person and how would you know it's God just because it's a voice?is this Why Paul said to test the spirit's and how do you test spirits that don't speak?
     
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  2. NomNomPizza

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    If God speaks to you then you will know , like Saul hated Christ and Christians yet when Christ spoke to him he called him LORD , he didn't question who spoke to him just knew it was God.

    Satan is more like deceiver , he wil give you 99% truth then put a lie in it which makes everything null and void yet sounds like the real deal.
     
  3. Jesusfann777888

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    From my reading of Samuel, it didn't seem like Saul hated God, it seemed like God punished saul because of what he did as a king who was annointed to perform a Certain task.

    as far as satan, which I'm not speaking about out of curiosity, It seems it's deceit is to a degree that most Christian's do not Consider.

    Because The Bible Say's in the later time's many will be seduced by evil spirit's, it does not say that they are aware they are being seduced, nor does it say they have knowledge of what they are being seduced by. My problem with this is the context In The Bible Read's as if these people are aware and it can be mistaken to mean that, when they are deceived.

    deception encompasse's anything that wind's up deceiving someone, so my question is a matter of what if satan pise's as God as a spirit. no one would be able to discern the identity of a spirit because it can not be seen so when thing's seem to be going well, who really is causing those thing's to go well and when Scripture is involved Christian's generally take it as if to be a sign of God when God Speak's to people directly in The Bible.

    For instance, the new age generation Talk's about connection's etc, when The Bible Clearly Say'S God Speak's. My Curiosity is do only a few select people hear Him or does Everybody? Did everyone see Jesus Receive The Holy Spirit? I wish that were added to The Bible if that were So or if no one else saw it because Christian's who have spiritual Expierience's might be curious as to who the spirit is.

    there seem's to be no one I've ever met who has said anything about spiritual expierience's except in the form of sign's while The Bible Say's God Speak's so because God Speak's sign's should be disregarded.

    the only people that I'm aware of that look to sign's as an indication are:

    1. tarot card user's
    2. people who read horoscope's
    3. people who use symbolism as a form of communication

    My question is if God can Speak and Always has with Everyone In The Bible Who He Spoke To, He wouldn't use another method as a form of communication. the peril of hell is real, and I'm curious if the devil would use the method of Scripture and signs to send people to hell and it's actually a big problem.
     
  4. NomNomPizza

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    not this Saul
    Saul who became Paul

    when God speaks to you and tells you to say something to people you will say " Thus said the Lord God "
    when new-age prosperity teachers tell you god said something to them it was probably god of this world so Satan
     
  5. TzephanYahu

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    Hey brother,

    Yes, I agree with you.

    Cinsider that Satan knows that all Christians are awaiting to see the Antichrist as well. So I foresee him raising a false antichrist, as a red herring to begin the deception. This false antichrist could be very obviously evil and devil like, and making a show of having the 666 symbol overtly. Then, he could bring the real Antichrist, who could pose as Jesus, to defeat the fake antichrist - duping Christians and others to follow him instantly.

    Whatever the truth of the matter, Satan knows the Scriptures and he knows what Christians are expecting to see. Therefore, the only way the saints will know what is deception is to know Yahweh and know the Bible well.

    Love & Shalom
     
  6. Jesusfann777888

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    My problem is how do you know? It's not like you can ask a spirit who it is and if it's deceitfull it'd tell the truth, much less are you aware of who a spirit is.
     
  7. BobRyan

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    Bingo!!

    Well done my friend -- not many have figured that out on their own.

    ================= of course the Bible does help a lot with that

    2 Cor 11:
    12 But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

    Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

    2 Thess 2:1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved

    Matt 24
    23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

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    The "ultimate" false Christ - is that bright, shiny and powerful angel "Lucifer/Satan" who has legions of Angels that he can have "appear in the sky" with him - to pull of the scam that he is "the second coming of Christ".
     
  8. BobRyan

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    "As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour’s advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. Revelation 1:13-15. The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air: “Christ has come! Christ has come!” The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed His disciples when He was upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, ... This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion. Like the Samaritans who were deceived by Simon Magus, the multitudes, from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying: This is “the great power of God.” Acts 8:10. {GC 624.2}
     
  9. BobRyan

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    Of course Christ also has "power" to evangelize and convince even an atheist in the darkest of Communist settings - regarding the Gospel

    Chinese atheist miracle testimony -- a must-see testimony



    Will provide another example of this later if interested
     
  10. BobRyan

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    The Bible says to "test the spirits" -- sola scriptura is the test.

    1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist

    Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things were so"
     
  11. Dave G.

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    The thing is no denomination, church, non denomination, priest, preacher or individual gets every detail 100% right. Not one, What Satan does is dwell in the weak points and make them strong against true teaching and that's what we need to be careful of. Imperfection runs all that. Jesus said if they are not against us they are with us. That comes from the heart, not rituals, customs or books written outside scripture. I'm convinced it's going to take His returning to straighten the mess out that we call "the church" today.
     
  12. Jesusfann777888

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    Hello, friend!
    greeting's!
    I find your post very Insightfull, because many Jewish people are saying they are still waiting for who already Came, Jesus.

    It seems to be a manifold spectrum that satan has developed concerning religion because he poses throughout religion as what it is not and each refer to their personal false gods wrongly which add's to the confusion. my Curiosity lately is , do any of the people satan deceives, have knowledge of what they are actually doing because it would seem that God's Statement on the cross reflect's human ignorance of spiritual matter's and spiritual influence's.

    I also ask this question because i am considering whether or not something in my life is posing as what it is not because of my sin issue. My problem is before I said what prayer I did I did not understand The Bible but I have learned thing's since that prayer that are insight in how spirits conduct communication with people and I have been questioning if Jesus is helping me or something else, I am alway's honest and forward because I do not want to disobey Jesus Christ and am therefore curious because I have also had vision's but do not believe some of them were from Jesus Christ, so my curiosity extends to the degree of whether or not a spirit can pose as something to a person who at least wants to be Christian but may be confusing spiritual matter's. I detest the devil, and want to help Jesus but I fear my ignorance and my approach has caused something in my life because of my foolishness and this is why I am cautious to consider my own expierience's as maybe a form of deception, which , I do not want to deceive other's being deceived, if I am because I want to go to Heaven and want other's to go to Heaven.

    And I may be learning how the devil deceive's but I am not this smart to understand. I simply do not want my opportunity with Christ to be taken away from me because of deceit, and I worry because for a long time I use to consider thing's like God repeating message's etc. Now I am trying to make sure that I am not being deceived so that I actually wind up doing something I think is for God which is actually something satan has planned. but I do not know the spirit's and I have never met them so as far as my spiritual expierience's I do not know the source because I can not confront them or whatever has caused me to have a few. In this I have become quite Concerned, yet, my issue's persist and my View's sometime's are anti-biblical or have been.

    It bother's me how I know so much about satan, which I use to make sure people avoid it's pitfall's. I however pictured my life much differently and have become more cautious in my later year's as to avoid deceit.

    I however think I am a dumb fool sometime's because It is easy for spirit's to deceive human's.
     
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    I understand this, however a spirit may not be able to say it but are there ever any instance's of that recorded in The Bible. There were ever only two case's from what I remember of demon posessed men in The Bible who God delivered. It doesn't provide any information about knowing or how to tell who a spirit is that is silent. And I'm not trying to be difficult but it never said that satan had to Obey Scripture so that he would not be able to deceive people.in that if satan does read The Bible how many strategies has it employed to catch people off guard in this matter?

    How do you know what spirit you received? It's not as if it's accidental but then what about The Prayer's also In The Bible about how people should pray? Is it possible to receive a different spirit when a prayer does not adhere to The Bible? satan could then use this as an opportunity to damn many people because the spirit they receive would then not assist them with salvation but damnation. This is also another area of my concern.
     
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    And this is a great concern because what is wrong in Term's of what people believe God consider's heresy and the doctrine of demon's. deceit seem's to allow satan the upper hand but maybe I am overplaying what satan does. I do not know, but The Bible does say to be vigilant against the adversary.

    I simply worry that it has many intent's and because of people's ignorance, which couldn't really be attributed in certain case's as their fault, it is Concerning.

    For instance Job never Considered nor did those who came against him Considered that satan came against him. So what is it that we really expierience in life, and how much of it is deceit. does the new world order come about as a result of deceit or because they are evil people?

    For instance, was delilah, jeezebel, and many other Biblical villans posessed by the devil and we're they aware of it?
     
  15. Jesusfann777888

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    I need to read THE BIBLE more, Thank you for your insight it is appreciated because it get's to The Heart Of The Matter!
     
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    I'm going to read Acts today, thank you!
     
  17. BobRyan

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    Agree. Satan can read scripture and can deceive to a massive degree. Even in Matt 4 Satan tests Jesus by using a Bible promise to see if Jesus will go for it.

    I posted a video where an atheist communist from China encountered Jesus Christ as "an example" of the good scenario.

    James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

    God is "the parent in the room" and all his created beings "the children". So while it is true that Satan is wayyy more powerful and capable than any human... and so also his legions of evil angels - yet "God sets limits". Notice in Job 1 and Job 2 God tells Satan that "he has a limit" with what he can do to Job.

    Jesus said to Peter "Satan has desired to sift you as wheat but I have prayed that your faith fail not" -- now we know that when Christ said this - Peter had many many flaws and false ideas about what the Messiah was supposed to do etc. He did not even have the full understanding of Jesus as "God the Son" at that time. But God is not going to "allow" someone to handed over to satan that easily. See the video ... it shows how God even protected an outright god-denying atheist from Satan at one point to get her into the Gospel. (you will find a number of your concerns addressed in that real-life example)

    I agree that evil spirits can and did claim that Jesus was the Son of God and they claimed that Paul was sent by God etc. They are in no way limited to just one error or limited to always telling a certain lie as if they "must tell that lie".

    The reason for my quote of 1 John 4 - is that the Bible writers tell us to "test" the spirits against what we know to be "truth" as given in God's Word. "One" of the tests is that they affirm that Jesus was literally incarnated -- the Son of God incarnate in human flesh as Jesus Christ.
     
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    I find the Scripture you posted to be daunting because it Say's,

    2 Corinthians 11
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    11 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

    2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

    That Paul has Taught Only of Jesus

    3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    The Gospel is simple, and anything overcomplicated is deceit as far as from what I was capable to understand

    13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

    so I understand that those who are actually evil servant's
    1. act as if they are servant's of God
    2. are deceived.

    so is it that they are aware, or that they are deceived. the context of deceived sevants adds a degree that they aren't really servant's so what's to be understood?
     
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    Mormonism got started by demons pretending to be the father and son.
    So, yes demons like Satan can appear as an angel of light or appear as a false God.
     
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    Even if Satan impersonates Jesus on this earth, it's easy to tell whether it's Jesus or not. Jesus returns in the clouds in a big way. If a man walks the earth and claims to be Jesus, then it's most definitely not Jesus. Jesus doesn't touch the ground at all at the second coming and it will be a very visible and audible event.

    Matthew 24:4-5, Matthew 24:23-27—And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many ... Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17—For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
     
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