How In Good Conscience Can A Christian Vote Democrat?

[jgarden]

How In Good Conscience Can A Christian Vote Democrat?

Where does the Bible instruct Christians that the "ends justify the means" - the reasons that conservative Christians provide for supporting this President largely based on appointing Sumpreme Court Justices to overturn Roe v Wade and the support of Israel - seen as the fulfilment of Biblical phrophecy?

Their support a President who boasts that personal success is measured in the accumulation wealth which totally contadicts Christ's nessage and also champions the 2nd Amendment which stands in stark contrast when preaching that Christians should place their trust and faith in God!

 

[Nevada Smith]

If Republicans are for life, why does the government have a hoard of nuclear weapons? One bomb could take out a city and kill a hundred thousand. Why are there few gun control laws, while Japan has a 350 times lower murder rate with strict gun control laws? Why would a 65 year old vote for a Republican who wants to cut Medicare? Why did Republicans choose to elect someone who claimed to be earning millions a year on a campaign disclosure form, while he paid little or nothing in taxes? Why should one vote for a president who had more marriages than any other in history? Why would you vote a man who committed adultery with inappropriate content stars? Democrats did not ask for Russian hackers to release stolen emails.

A vast majority of Democrats would never do abortion. Some Republicans called them baby killers. Some wanted the morning after rape pill to be legal. Others are opposed. Why don’t Republicans spend as much time campaigning against rape and lewd behavior? Many Republicans do not want to raise taxes to make orphanages for deformed babies that people do not want to adopt.

"If Republicans are for life, why does the government have a hoard of nuclear weapons?"
Did you ask that question when Pres Clinton and Pres Obama were in office? Or do you hold Republicans to a higher standard.

"Japan has a 350 times lower murder rate "
For one thing criminals don't have the Constitutional protection in Japan that they do here.
Japan has exceptionally low crime rates. But there's a dark side to its justice system.

"few gun control laws"
Mass Shootings in Gun-Free Zones | The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

Or we can look at Chicago with some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation.
Chicago homicides increase 50 percent in 2020, 139 percent in July alone, data shows

I'll post FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 6 without commit.
Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

 

[Albion]

Their support a President who boasts that personal success is measured in the accumulation wealth which totally contadicts Christ's nessage and also champions the 2nd Amendment which stands in stark contrast when preaching that Christians should place their trust and faith in God!

If you think that, you could never vote for Biden, whose whole public life has been a process of promoting himself and every member of his family, mainly through extorting billions from foreign governments seeking influence with the American government. Trump at least earned his money from business.

So who do you think a true Christian ought to vote for this November--Howie Hawkins, Gloria La Riva, Jo Jorgensen, or someone else??

 

[Sistrin]

Could it be that those Christians who refuse to vote Republican prefer not to support what they consider to be a "false prophet?"

Thank you for proving my point.

I didn't say a single word about Trump, or his status versus either right or left, or claim he was a prophet of any kind or that he should be followed. And yet that is the first place your mind went.

 

[dqhall]

Or we can look at Chicago with some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation.
Chicago homicides increase 50 percent in 2020, 139 percent in July alone, data shows

When I lived in the DC area, Washington, DC residents were not allowed to own guns. They got brothers and sisters in Maryland to buy guns for them. Gun control must be applied over an entire nation in order to get results.

From Christ’s Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ Exodus 21:24; Leviticus 24:20; Deuteronomy 19:21 39 But I tell you, don’t resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. 41 Whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and don’t turn away him who desires to borrow from you.“ (WEB)

Unless people repent of their anger and violence, they will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Fantine]

I would try to write my own answer, but 2008 John McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt does it so beautifully.

Steve Schmidt: This is the most succinct -- and brutal -- Republican rejection of Donald Trump that you will ever read - CNNPolitics
"Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."

This was written on June 23, before we learned he was a tax deadbeat in hock for $432 to foreign entities--a national security risk. And before we learned he had knowingly put thousands of ralliers and staff at risk for COVID after his first positive test. And after he flouted hospital rules, exposed more people when he got back to the White House, and encouraged people who will not be able to receive 2% of the medical care he got to go out unmasked and contract a disease that might be fatal for them.
You posters may not like your choices. Biden was not my first choice, but I would vote for my shihtzu before I would endanger our country and the whole world by voting for Trump.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

This and LGBT are the exact reasons why I have to vote for Trump




even though I know he's divisive and often times a blow-hard. The reason why Christians are going to vote for Biden, however, is because they are selfish and refuse to seek the heart of God and his promptings on who and who not to vote for. And if they think God doesn't care, either way, they are ignorantly mistaken. The Bible says judgment will first start at the house of God. And if you don't think the Lord is going to punish this nation for its senseless and catastrophic killing of innocent life then you need to go read some more of the scripture. Sin has to be dealt with. There have been millions of babies murdered since Roe vs. Wade and it's only a matter of time until judgment falls more on this country. Then there's the issue of homosexuality. If God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes for their sin why would He not do the same with America? The answer is it's coming.

Trump is the way. Trump 2020
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[RDKirk]

"If Republicans are for life, why does the government have a hoard of nuclear weapons?"
Did you ask that question when Pres Clinton and Pres Obama were in office? Or do you hold Republicans to a higher standard.

Republicans claim it, so they should be held to their claim.

 

[JSRG]

The ease with which some politicians on the left have come to think it natural to just blow off court rulings is scary, don't you think?

Biden enacting Roe v. Wade as law would not be blowing off a court ruling. If Roe v. Wade were overturned, what would happen is that the issue of abortion would be returned to the legislature of the country or the individual states. An overturning of Roe v. Wade would have basically no effect on the abortion laws of something like New York, for example. So this is not blowing off court rulings at all.

(technically, though, Roe v. Wade was overturned a few decades ago--its original "rules" were basically thrown out and replaced with new ones in Planned Parenthood v. Casey)

 

[JSRG]

So who do you think a true Christian ought to vote for this November--Howie Hawkins, Gloria La Riva, Jo Jorgensen, or someone else??

Although this question was directed at someone else... I would say Brian Carroll, personally.

 

[RDKirk]

The ease with which some politicians on the left have come to think it natural to just blow off court rulings is scary, don't you think? Or to promise to gerrymander the Supreme Court if voters give their Party a majority in Congress this November?

Turning a Supreme Court ruling into subsequent law really ought to be par for the course. What has happened, essentially, with a Supreme Court ruling is that existing law was vague or conflicting. Writing a new law clarifying or repealing the vague or conflicting previous law that was invalidated by a Supreme Court ruling is perfectly reasonable.

 

[RDKirk]

Jesus didn’t even mention abortion, and it was not uncommon in his time. It’s only in very recent modern times that abortion has been seen as wrong.

But what did Jesus talk of the most? How we treat the least among us. For many of us, that is at the center of our faith and practice.

Well, we know that early Christians did abhor both abortion and infanticide, as witnessed by Athenagoras in the mid-2nd century in his apology to the then-current emperors. However, they did not try to fix the Roman empire.

 

[Sparagmos]

So? You state that as if the phrase constitutes a de facto endorsement of abortion, as if the fact the Bible does not quote Jesus utilizing the word abortion progresses logically to support for abortion on demand. Please.

Wow, I didn’t say any of that.
If Jesus thought abortion was an extremely important issue, he would have mentioned it.

Again, so? Again your...logic...is seriously flawed. People murdered each other during those times as well. Does that fact justify murder today?

It was common in Jesus time, yet he didn’t speak of it. So why should we think that it was an important issue to him?

Would not the unborn, the most vulnerable and defenseless by definition, qualify as within that group of the least among us?

Jesus never said they were. And he gave examples. The unborn were not given as an example.

Because Science. You know, that word the liberal left tosses around whenever they want to justify destroying the economy or the nation or individual freedom or just make themselves feel superior.

Nice swipe. Your posts are always so loaded with contempt for “the left.”

 

[Quartermaine]

"If Republicans are for life, why does the government have a hoard of nuclear weapons?"
Did you ask that question when Pres Clinton and Pres Obama were in office? Or do you hold Republicans to a higher standard.

"Japan has a 350 times lower murder rate "
For one thing criminals don't have the Constitutional protection in Japan that they do here.
Japan has exceptionally low crime rates. But there's a dark side to its justice system.

"few gun control laws"
Mass Shootings in Gun-Free Zones | The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

Or we can look at Chicago with some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation.
Chicago homicides increase 50 percent in 2020, 139 percent in July alone, data shows

I'll post FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 6 without commit.
Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Chicago doesn't have some of the toughest gun control laws in the country.

it may have at one point but republicans spent years dismantling the gun control laws that were in place. and as each law was ripped down the rate of gun related crimes rose.

 

[Albion]

Although this question was directed at someone else.

It's a discussion board, my friend. You opened the door and it was on-topic. So...what do you think recommends Brian Carroll instead of some other third-party nominee? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Albion]

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, what would happen is that the issue of abortion would be returned to the legislature of the country or the individual states.

Turning a Supreme Court ruling into subsequent law really ought to be par for the course. What has happened, essentially, with a Supreme Court ruling is that existing law was vague or conflicting. Writing a new law clarifying or repealing the vague or conflicting previous law that was invalidated by a Supreme Court ruling is perfectly reasonable.

Understood. However, what was posted put it this way: "Joe Biden promises he will make Roe v. Wade the law of the land."

A number of Democratic office-holders have lately taken to thinking that they can govern by edict, and that turn of events was the backdrop to my comment.

A law that is Constitutional and passes Congress wasn't what I was addressing, but you can see that neither of those conditions was included in the statement to which I replied.

 

[Sistrin]

Nice swipe. Your posts are always so loaded with contempt for “the left.”

There are dreadfully appropriate reasons for that. The leftist love for abortion is just one.

 

[Sparagmos]

There are dreadfully appropriate reasons for that. The leftist love for abortion is just one.

You said that we want to destroy the economy, the country, and individual freedom. If you actually believe that you’re non mentally sound. We make up half of this country, we don’t want to destroy it.

 

[Albion]

Wow, I didn’t say any of that.
If Jesus thought abortion was an extremely important issue, he would have mentioned it.

He would also have mentioned Social Security, Universal Health Care, etc. etc., by that way of thinking.

Have you noticed that the fact that he did not do so hasn't kept the supporters of such political policies from claiming, again and again and again, that Jesus advocated them?

 

[Sparagmos]

He would also have mentioned Social Security, Universal Health Care, etc. etc., by that way of thinking.

Have you noticed that the fact that he did not do so hasn't kept the supporters of such political policies from claiming, again and again and again, that Jesus advocated them?

He talked of caring for the widows and the sick. Why would you expect him to use phrases that didn’t exist then? LOL.