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How important is God's and Messiah's names?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by TheGenuineChristian, May 24, 2011.

  1. TheGenuineChristian

    TheGenuineChristian υπερμονοθεϊσμός

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    I would like to hear everyone's thoughts in this sub-forum concerning the what is God's name and what is the Messiah's name.

    My personal view is that God's name is Yeheveh/Yihyeh and Messiah's name is Yehoshua.

    What's your view? And does it matter in your view if you got the right way to pronounce it? Is it a matter of salvation that you say Yeshua instead of Jesus or Jesus instead of Yeshua, etc?
     
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  2. Steve Petersen

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    Does knowing His name somehow make us better people? or is it more like a secret handshake that people in 'our group' use to identify themselves to each other and affirm their specialness.
     
  3. TheGenuineChristian

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    That's what I would like to know also. Thanks for adding unto the questions.
     
  4. ananda

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    Elohim's Name is His rememberance and memorial for all generations (Ex 3:15). We are commanded to call on His Name (Ex 3:15, Is 12:4, Jer 10:25, Ps 105:1,3), to declare His Name and make it known (Ex 9:16, Is 64:1,2, Ez 39:7), and to not erase, destroy, or forget His Name (Deu 12:3,4, Jer 23:27, Ps 44:20).

    With that said, I would personally say that 1) it is a sign of respect to Elohim and the King of Kings to use His Names as accurately as possible, and 2) since we are commanded to do so, to ignore or disobey the commandment is a sin (1 John 3:4). I don't believe it is a matter of salvation, as YHVH and Messiah knows when we are addressing Him in our hearts, if we use Yeshua or Yehoshua, or Jesus; however, if we are convicted of a more accurate way to address Him, then we should do so.
     
  5. Steve Petersen

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    You are being overly literal. To do something 'in the name' of someone means 'with their authority.'

    To make God's name known doesn't mean educating people on the pronunciation, but proclaiming His attributes, often reflected in the various appellations He gives Himself, such as 'Adonai Tzidkenu' (the Lord our Rightousness) or 'Adonai Tsavaot' (the Lord of Hosts.)
     
  6. freeChris44

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    I know that the Lord is One. I know that the name above all names is Christ Jesus!
     
  7. TheGenuineChristian

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    This is why I kind of not like using Jesus, cause you miss the point of Yhvh STILL being used but as YHoshua. Y[ud] being the first letter of [Y]hvh and H[ey] being the last letter of Yhv[h]. Resulting in 'YH is salvation' referring to 'Yhvh is salvation. The name above all names is Yehoshua. It really makes you appreciate the beauty behind it.
    Am I promoting the abandoment of Jesus? No, I love the name Jesus and have no problem with anyone using that version of the name to be saved.
     
  8. ks777

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    I think it's important to use His actual name, or at least try and get as close to it as possible. If it's important enough for Him to tell us almost 7000 times, then I think that's a fairly good indication we should use it and not be like the jews and skip over it saying "Hashem" in fear of violating the 4th commandment.

    I was shocked to find out about a year ago now that no one called "Jesus" ever walked on the planet before the 17th century. I don't think it's disrespectful for Christians to call the Messiyah 'Jesus' if they don't know any better, but I do think it's disrespectful to keep calling Him 'Jesus' when you do know. It seems like you value your religion and tradition more than a relationship. I'd like to be called my real name in a relationship.

    And I agree with you that 'Jesus' doesn't have a significant meaning whearas 'Yahshua' or however you believe it's closest pronounced does have a strong meaning; Yah saves.

    Lastly, the connection to the druid god (also a part of a trinity) called 'Gesus' or 'Hesus' is far too close to 'Jesus' for my liking.
     
  9. Lord Herdsetk

    Lord Herdsetk What were they thinking?

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    I once heard that the name Yahweh was actually pronounced by the sound of breathing. The sound of breathing was meant to represent that He gives life to all things.

    So in a way, breathing is like repeating His name everyday.
     
  10. thesunisout

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    We were adopted into the family of God through grace, through our faith in Jesus Christ our Lord. The wild branch grafted onto the olive tree. It is because of grace that we have the right to call God our Father.

    So, don't spend time trying to figure out Gods name. He is your Father. Do you call your Father by name? As far as His Son goes, Jesus is acceptable in His sight. You're caught up in technicalities and missing out on the message.



     
  11. ks777

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    Please explain how you know this, or why you believe you have the authority to speak for Him?
     
  12. thesunisout

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    Because He has accepted my prayers in Jesus' name. I do not claim to speak on His behalf.

     
  13. Rev Wayne

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    Isn't that a distinction without a difference? The only "difference" this points out is purely linguistic, it's the same whether it's the English Jesus, the Hebrew Yahshua, or the Greek Iesous. God was the one who created languages originally, when He scattered people after the tower of Babel and "confused their tongues." Surely the Author of languages has no problem being addressed differently by those of different languages?
     
  14. TheGenuineChristian

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    This is just someone not realizing that they were thinking about the name Yahweh and breathed while thinking it and heard their breath speak what they were thinking at the moment of their breath. You can try this with any word and it will sound like you breath that word.
     
  15. TheGenuineChristian

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    Hebrew: Yehoshua
    Aramaic: Yeshua
    Greek: Ihsous
    Latin: Iesus
    English translation of Latin: Jesus
    English translation of Hebrew: Joshua/Jehoshua
    Ukrainian: Isus

    I'm pretty sure those translatin the King James Version, for example, knew that they could have translated the Greek Ihsous into English as Jehoshua/Joshua but went with Jesus (then as Iesus) as it wasn't a common name in English. They did the same thing for the writing that is known as 'the Book of James.' It's really 'the Book of Jacob.'

    I use the name Jesus when I am communicating with the rest of the world but when I pray to the Father I use the name Yehoshua to end my prayers.
     
  16. ChristIsMyVindication

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    I tried it with the word "infrastructure" and it didn't work. It just sounded like "hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".
    ;)
     
  17. ananda

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    Why can't the interpretation of those verses also be literal, as well as figurative?
     
  18. Steve Petersen

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    It can be whatever we want it to be, but you would have to ignore cultural context.
     
  19. ananda

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    "... My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal" Jer 23:27

    Cultural context aside, I read this verse as a clear condemnation by YHVH against the people for forgetting His literal Name, as he contrasts His Name with that of another "god" - not His attributes.
     
  20. Rev Wayne

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    Your prerogative, of course. But not all of us read it that way. "Forget my name" is just as easily read as a figurative expression for "abandoned my ways." The Message, for instance, reads this way:

    ". . .trying to distract my people from me just as their ancestors were distracted by the no-god Baal"

    New Living Translation has it:

    ". . .they are trying to get my people to forget me."
     
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