How I Regard Israel Today

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The Arabs

Blacks in the Turkish ruled lands, have their identities stolen by the Turks, and their Mulattoes, after the break-up of the Ottoman Empire.

As with the Berbers, Egyptians, etc. After the breakup of the Ottoman Empire after WWI, and the granting of independence to those countries after WWII, The Arabs saw their identity stolen by Whites (mainly Turks and their mulattoes) and other mixed race people. Thus Egypt is "The Arab Republic of Egypt" Syria is "The Syrian Arab Republic" Libya is "The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya" Jordan is "The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan" (Hashemite is the Latinate version of the Arabic transliteration of Hāšimī) and traditionally refers to those belonging to the Banu Hashim Arabs, or "clan of Hashim", a clan within the larger Arab Quraish tribe. It also refers to an Arab dynasty whose original strength stemmed from the network of tribal alliances and blood loyalties in the Hejaz region of Arabia, along the Red Sea. (One can only wonder how sparsely populated Arabia could have possibly produced all of those people - what nonsense)!

Black Canaan: The Arab-Eurasian Invasion

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Palestinians truely are an invented people and this invented group has been subject to leaders who have been trying to create their own State for nearly 70 years...they have been conned, they have been indoctrinated and they have been ideologically abused in order to keep them malleable, subservient and full of hate for Israelis.

Some Arabs are waking up to this, and if anything is ever going to change it will be best to happen from within, among their own people. Otherwise their only hope to break this cycle is for Israel to annex Judea, Samaria and Gaza and utterly destroy the stranglehold of the various terrorist factions...
 
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I think way too many people are too preoccupied with Israel, while completely ignoring horrors happening outside its borders. Incredible poverty, lack of due process, wholesale slaughter, women and gays abuse and murder. The situation is almost apocalyptic in scale. And no end in sights. I see Israel as an oasis of sanity in the Middle East gone mad.
 
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I think way too many people are too preoccupied with Israel, while completely ignoring horrors happening outside its borders. Incredible poverty, lack of due process, wholesale slaughter, women and gays abuse and murder. The situation is almost apocalyptic in scale. And no end in sights. I see Israel as an oasis of sanity in the Middle East gone mad.

I totally agree Danny.

I cannot understand the mentality that pushes so hard to point out every nuance of failing on Israels part and is so silent about issues that have far greater significance across the globe.

Many people seem to think they can do Bibi's job for him, many fall hook, line and sinker for an alternative narrative to the reality and many Christians just don't see that G-d has never cast Israel away or forsaken them...they have always been the apple of His eye.
 
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If I may interject I think people give criticism to Israel all of the time because Israel feels that it is above criticism. I'm decidedly not pro-Palestinian any more than I am pro-Israel but if you ask most Americans, they'll tell you that Israel is literally God's state and thus they can do no wrong. I feel as if it is a matter of "well this state does slightly less awful things so let's just ignore it all".

Just my two cents as someone who doesn't really have a vested interest in either state.
 
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If I may interject I think people give criticism to Israel all of the time because Israel feels that it is above criticism. I'm decidedly not pro-Palestinian any more than I am pro-Israel but if you ask most Americans, they'll tell you that Israel is literally God's state and thus they can do no wrong. I feel as if it is a matter of "well this state does slightly less awful things so let's just ignore it all".

Just my two cents as someone who doesn't really have a vested interest in either state.

I have never really found that...maybe it is different in the UK. Israel has enough of her own people to challenge any idea that she is above criticism.

Israel has a unique connection to G-d as a nation...but historical evidence through the pages of the Bible doesn't pull any punches and Israel has been recorded as doing 'wrong' many many times...being 'chosen' doesn't give them immunity...if anything they have had to pay a high price for the relationship through G-ds Covenant to them.

By the way, there are not two States, Palestine is not a State.
 
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I have never really found that...maybe it is different in the UK. Israel has enough of her own people to challenge any idea that she is above criticism.

Israel has a unique connection to G-d as a nation...but historical evidence through the pages of the Bible doesn't pull any punches and Israel has been recorded as doing 'wrong' many many times...being 'chosen' doesn't give them immunity...if anything they have had to pay a high price for the relationship through G-ds Covenant to them.

By the way, there are not two States, Palestine is not a State.

Exactly the UK is largely different in its eschewing of religion at everyone corner. The United States has not come quite as far, given our intense political relationship with Israel its only logical that support comes from all corners, especially in the US where people believe that Israel's return fills some modern Christian eschatology. The support for Israeli politics in the US is very strong.

That said, I'm not sure that Israelis and Palestinians can live together; one will surely annihilate the other. It just depends on whose money is used to make it happen. If the disputed territories remain under Israel the only choice I see the conservative government making is that of apartheid or some sort of forceful removal. The religious and ethnic tensions are too great for the conflict to be resolved "peacefully".
 
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If I may interject I think people give criticism to Israel all of the time because Israel feels that it is above criticism. I'm decidedly not pro-Palestinian any more than I am pro-Israel but if you ask most Americans, they'll tell you that Israel is literally God's state and thus they can do no wrong. I feel as if it is a matter of "well this state does slightly less awful things so let's just ignore it all".

Just my two cents as someone who doesn't really have a vested interest in either state.
I disagree. Israel has been criticized and condemned so often for so much by so many, I think most Israelis are pretty immune to it by now.
 
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Exactly the UK is largely different in its eschewing of religion at everyone corner. The United States has not come quite as far, given our intense political relationship with Israel its only logical that support comes from all corners, especially in the US where people believe that Israel's return fills some modern Christian eschatology. The support for Israeli politics in the US is very strong.

That said, I'm not sure that Israelis and Palestinians can live together; one will surely annihilate the other. It just depends on whose money is used to make it happen. If the disputed territories remain under Israel the only choice I see the conservative government making is that of apartheid or some sort of forceful removal. The religious and ethnic tensions are too great for the conflict to be resolved "peacefully".

palestinians are turks. Why don't palestinians go live in land stolen by turks? The turks have stolen too much land including the recently stolen part of Cyprus.

Cyprus dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I disagree. Israel has been criticized and condemned so often for so much by so many, I think most Israelis are pretty immune to it by now.

I'm not sure if I am supposed to feel bad for Israel given that comment. I mean it is just a nation state, and nothing more. I feel similarly about it like I do any other nation state; I feel distrust since nations have the monopoly on violence not afforded your average citizen.

That said on purely ideology alone, you'd think I should support Israel because they at least have the illusion of being more secular (though anyone knows its Judaism or bust) than any Arab state. Again, I'm not sure if its a conflict I should worry about getting my heart and soul involved in since I have no ties to the middle East.
 
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That said on purely ideology alone, you'd think I should support Israel because they at least have the illusion of being more secular (though anyone knows its Judaism or bust) than any Arab state.

and which tenets of Judaism does Israel follow, exactly?
 
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and which tenets of Judaism does Israel follow, exactly?

Not a clue. Probably none, the way that the United States doesn't follow the tenets of Christianity but Christian culture is still the dominant culture. I think that Israel is way more Secular-Humanist than any Palestinian state would be, that goes without saying and almost gives them de facto support from me but they are not without their cultural warts.
 
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I think way too many people are too preoccupied with Israel, while completely ignoring horrors happening outside its borders. Incredible poverty, lack of due process, wholesale slaughter, women and gays abuse and murder. The situation is almost apocalyptic in scale. And no end in sights. I see Israel as an oasis of sanity in the Middle East gone mad.

Agreed....liberal Christians are suckered into this kind of thinking too.

Here's some good advice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX0Y2mnnsvc
 
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I think Gingrich , the new RC hoping it'd help him get nominated, should read some history. Yes Palestine did belong to turkey at one time, but they are arabs, and arabs are INVERTED people, what does he mean by that. The ottoman empire did take over Palestine, till Britian got it and divided it from Turkey and made it Palestine.

Also many people even some Jewish historians who work at Tel Avi believe the Jews are really Kazars and have nothing in common with the Israelites of the ancient days.
 
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Just being a pain and tossing some fuel on the fire.

If I am understanding this correctly, More Palestinians Arabs have Hebrew DNA than Israeli Jews.

In a study of Israeli and Palestinian Muslim Arabs, more than 70% of the Jewish men and 82% of the Arab men whose DNA was studied, had inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors, who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. "Our recent study of high-resolution microsatellite haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool."[26] In relation to the region of the Fertile Crescent, the same study noted; "In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors."[27]

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Just being a pain and tossing some fuel on the fire.

If I am understanding this correctly, More Palestinians Arabs have Hebrew DNA than Israeli Jews.



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Nice pictures, thanks for sharing. The one of MT. Rushmore was good.

Yes I have read that as well.
 
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Just being a pain and tossing some fuel on the fire.

If I am understanding this correctly, More Palestinians Arabs have Hebrew DNA than Israeli Jews.



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Religiously, DNA isn't exactly that important. Remember that a Jew is someone born of a Jewish mother or who has converted to Judaism. Obviously, if you get male converts they are not going to carry the same Y into the equation but are fully Jewish none-the-less. Still, seeing it that high might help to get rid of the silly notion that Jews are really Khazars.
 
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Religiously, DNA isn't exactly that important. Remember that a Jew is someone born of a Jewish mother or who has converted to Judaism. Obviously, if you get male converts they are not going to carry the same Y into the equation but are fully Jewish none-the-less. Still, seeing it that high might help to get rid of the silly notion that Jews are really Khazars.

I sort of like the concept that we are all related.

Now if only we all could start acting like close relatives.
 
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Deroy Murdock: What if Gaza were San Diego instead? | New Hampshire Columns
TO UNDERSTAND why Israel fights in the Gaza Strip, try this thought experiment:

Imagine that Mexicans loudly and violently demand that America vacate the territory that Mexico previously controlled in the U.S. Southwest. To make their case, Mexican revanchists brutally attack American diplomatic posts, assassinate U.S. officials, and even kidnap and kill American athletes at the summer Olympics. Despite such bloodshed, these Mexicans gain supporters among anti-American governments and elites worldwide.

Caving into this pressure, America gives the Mexicans San Diego. Dubbed “Land for Peace,” Washington’s concession would let Mexicans manage that city and show how they might govern if granted a “right of return” on even larger, previously Mexican lands.

While most Americans leave San Diego quietly, the U.S. military ejects holdouts from their property and removes them just before the Mexicans move in.

San Diego’s Mexican citizens soon reject the comparatively tame Institutional Revolutionary Party and elect leaders from the radical Zapatista Army of National Liberation. As its recent communiqué declares: “The anti-capitalist struggle below and to the left continues.”

Before long, the Zapatistas start firing rockets into surrounding areas. Elsewhere in San Diego County, Orange County, and even Long Beach, Americans repeatedly dive into bomb shelters. In the nine years since the U.S. evacuation, about 9,600 missiles soar from San Diego and plunge menacingly into adjacent communities, spreading terror and death.

The Zapatistas also dig 23 tunnels into nearby neighborhoods. They emerge from them — often disguised as U.S. GIs — and shoot Americans.

Other tunnels help the Zapatistas receive longer-range, deadlier rockets from their allies in Cuba. After one such weapon blasts a suburban street just a mile from Los Angeles International Airport, numerous foreign airlines cancel flights into LAX. For two days, Great Britain’s Civil Aviation Authority ordered its carriers to avoid LAX, thus isolating southern California.

Fed up, America finally rolls into San Diego, to destroy the Zapatista launch sites. U.S. forces try to limit civilian casualties — often dropping leaflets before air strikes, so innocent men, women, and children can escape imminent strikes.

Alas, these precautions frequently fail, since the Zapatistas operate among civilians, hide missiles in grade schools, and catapult explosives from deep inside residential neighborhoods. The cynical Zapatistas understand that blending among regular folks lets them conduct their carnage from behind human shields. This deters U.S. operations and, when America does press forward, pro-Zapatista journalists eagerly showcase the unintended and unfortunate human consequences of American self-defense. Although the Zapatistas’ tactics literally are war crimes, the U.S. always gets blamed — as Americans wearily grow to expect.

Still, Americans support their soldiers, even as those abroad denounce the USA, vandalize American property overseas, and burn the Stars and Stripes, for good measure. Regular Americans recognize that the only thing uglier than the mess in San Diego is to stand around and wait for Zapatista rockets to crater LAX’s runways and convert law-abiding southern Californians into body parts.

While this scenario is an imperfect analogy, it approximates what Israel has endured since 2007, thanks to Hamas — the homicidal, rabidly anti-Semitic, militant-Islamic terrorists who misrule Gaza. As its charter clearly states, “Hamas is one of the links in the Chain of Jihad in the confrontation with the Zionist invasion.” It also declares explicitly, “Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise, whatever time it might take…The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: ‘0 Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me. Come on and kill him!’”

To implement its execrable vision, Hamas uses Gaza’s playgrounds, schoolyards, hospitals, and even mosques to launch its deadly, Jew-killing missiles. This month alone, Hamas has lobbed 2,100 such weapons.

An immediate Israeli cease-fire in Gaza would resemble a surgeon extracting just half of a tumor. Thus, Israel must soldier on until the cancer of Hamas is excised and dumped into history’s medical-waste bin.
 
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