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How George Floyd Could Bring a Third American Reconstruction

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by SummerMadness, May 21, 2021.

  1. SummerMadness

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    How George Floyd Could Bring a Third American Reconstruction
     
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    " including one shot to the back of his head.” Only if they wanted to invite mafia scrutiny. That’s significant to anyone with a weapon.
     
  3. ReesePiece23

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    It would be an exciting thing to live through if a campaign was to be executed effectively, in the way MLK might have approached it. Because I don't believe that a shift so monumental should happen on TikTok with basement dwelling crybabies who have nothing better to do.

    Facts should be established. Clear goals should be defined and NO double edged low key racism should come into it. Just come together and get it together without passive aggression, 'wokefulness' or hatred. Because all of those things just patronise the cause in my view, they do nothing to help it.

    A revolution is coming either way. Society has never been more uncalibrated, we just keep seesawing either side of the equality line. In my opinion.

    I mean, how long has it been since the Civil Rights movement? And we're STILL working it out?
     
  4. Nithavela

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    The last two reconstructions didn't end too well for the people of color. Just saying.
     
  5. Portalmon

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    ...and given how extreme and radical these groups are behaving now, it's not out of the question that a response from the other side, who are being treated just as unfairly and unjustly (some might argue even more so), might not exactly "fit" the desired outcome these extreme, radical groups want.
     
  6. Nithavela

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    Of course. There'd be a lot of lynchings done by those poor, unfairly treated white people.
    At least judging by the last few reconstructions.
     
  7. Portalmon

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    Of course. But then, that doesn't justify what these radical extremists are doing now either.
     
  8. Nithavela

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    Of course not. Let's focus on what the people of color are doing, rather than on the lychings that they will reap for their actions.
     
  9. Danthemailman

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    At this point it appears to be inevitable, unless a miracle happens. In my 55 years, I have never seen America this divided and this close to widespread major civil unrest! Sometimes I really miss the 80's.
     
  10. SummerMadness

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    While the First Reconstruction brought about the era of Jim Crow and a century of terrorism which resulted in things like the Great Migration, I would argue the Second Reconstruction advanced things tremendously in a positive direction. However, just as there is anti-racist progress, there is racist progress. The Second Reconstruction just pushed much of the blatant racism undercover, but it also resulted in many practices disappearing altogether, e.g., racial covenants do not bar me from buying a home.

    There shouldn't have been a need for the Civil Rights Movement after the ending of slavery, but it was still necessary. It took a century for the United States to recognize things that were plainly in the US Constitution. Should it be a surprise that things are still being worked out? I don't think so.

    Likewise, people seem to have to have a rose-tinted view of Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Civil Rights Movement. Not many white people supported the Civil Rights Movement, they considered it radical. They also held negative views of King and other civil rights leaders. We have no further to look than the John Birch Society in the 1960s, they wrote:
    While people no longer adhere to biological racist arguments, we now see the cultural racist arguments. The argument above is near identical to what you see today, and now they queue a set of arguments to always repeat (e.g., queue out-of-wedlock birth rate arguments, queue black-on-black crime arguments, queue argument about disrespect for demanding equality). All the while, never address the inequality, claim the inequality is their fault or argue that I will only listen to calls for equality on my terms (i.e., when they're silent).

    The attitudes that call the BLM movement radical and extremist are the same ones that called the Civil Rights Movement the same thing. Likewise, certain events helped propel these movements into gain more widespread support. Bloody Sunday in the Selma to Montgomery marches helped to sway support of the Civil Rights Movement the way the murder of George Floyd swayed support for BLM. BLM is not very different from any of the civil rights movements of the past, it's just the most current one. It's similar to how people once called support for gay marriage radical; in less than decade, you find few people arguing that now. Hindsight gives us perspective, but we must not lose sight of how truly radical these movements were treated.
     
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  11. Pommer

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    What “radical extremists”?
    (Bonus query: what does “radical” mean?)
     
  12. disciple Clint

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    What we have here is more propaganda with lies and false narratives from the article.
    Lie number 1
    Mr. Zimmerman had shot and killed the 17-year-old boy Trayvon Martin who was guilty of nothing more than walking while Black in a gated community. (Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding his head into the concrete walkway trying to kill him.)
    Lie number 2
    It rallied a generation of young people who refused to accept white police officers regularly killing unarmed Black people, not unlike how white Americans regularly lynched Black Americans in the early 20th century. ( False Narrative)
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    Accountability for Mr. Floyd’s murder is not justice. (it is the same justice black or white)
    Lie number 4
    It’s about remaking a system that saddles them with student debt and then offers them poverty wages.(College Graduates are paid based on ability black or white and they face the same debt)
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    policies and practices that produce death, whether from police killings, poverty, lack of health care, ecological devastation or unnecessary war. (policies apply to both black and white)
     
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    The Agenda of Black Lives Matter Is Far Different From the Slogan
     
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  14. SummerMadness

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    Poor People's Campaign calls for 'Third Reconstruction' in America
     
  15. ReesePiece23

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    Some informative nuggets there.

    Perhaps there's an element of rose tinted specs with MLK, but the ripples of his impact still reverberate today - for one (and even though my ethnicity is White British) Martin Luther King, Jr was probably my FIRST hero; and I probably only really have five mortal heroes as it is, so it kinda' says a lot about him.

    Gandhi is another hero of mine (see the theme here?). I tend to play my cards close to my chest on here, because already they'll be members who'll assume I have a radical agenda (well yeah, I do. It's peace to ALL men. As per the bible.)

    But I do hear you. I feel as if those iconic/nostalgic Civil Rights figures have become JUST that, they're figures of nostalgia. Unfortunately, you can't chain people down to a desk and make them study real information, nor can you stop them mindlessly following the flock, but as long as you're stalwart, NOW is as good a time as any to clear up the residual mess.

    I want equality for WHAT equality means. Levelling the playing field might just require a revolution - as I said earlier. But for that to work, the standard folk need to put petty differences aside and focus on the job. And in the process don't make a nuisance of ourselves. It's the law that needs addressing, don't turn on each other. But hey, dreams are free right?

    United, we stand. Divided, we fall - said some guy, a hundred years before Jesus was born.
     
  16. disciple Clint

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    “This pandemic has exposed the toll of long-standing interlocking inequities stemming from structural racism, poverty, economic inequality, ecological devastation, and many more systemic barriers keeping people living on the edge,” Lee said. “140 million people are poor, or are one health care crisis, job loss or emergency away from economic devastation. So we must prioritize their needs and allow them, and give them, the opportunities to live in dignity and with hope.”
    Those are interesting assertions but totally without any evidence. So once again there is an attempt to set a narrative without providing any justification for it. where is your evidence for: structural racism, poverty, economic inequality, ecological devastation, and many more systemic barriers ?
     
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