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How does the shutdown end?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by evoeth, Jan 18, 2019.

  1. Trump caves and signs a budget - nominal or wall funding < $2.5b

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  2. Trump gets concessions for wall funding > $2.5b

    5 vote(s)
    15.2%
  3. Trump gets bypassed with veto proof majorities

    11 vote(s)
    33.3%
  4. Trump resigns/impeached

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  5. Other (post!)

    7 vote(s)
    21.2%
  1. evoeth

    evoeth Man trying to figure things out

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    Any more ideas?
     
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  2. Sparagmos

    Sparagmos Well-Known Member

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    Citizenship for dreamers (DACA) in exchange for 5 bil toward Trump’s silly wall. Or Congress beats the veto with majority.

    But I don’t think it’s gonna happen for a while.

    *edited a typo, changed million to billion
     
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  3. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Trump gets full funding and border security decides the best use of the money, including some "wall" or fence.
     
  4. LostMarbels

    LostMarbels Follower of Jesus

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    I think Trump is trying to pull off a RIF. We will find out after Monday when it has been 30 days and he can legally layoff any federal employees that have not worked in that period of time. There are benefit packages that the employees will receive but basically they will move on to other employment.

    This is also why He hasn't reopened the government as Graham had suggested. That would reset the clock Dems are more than happy to allow Trump to draw out; thinking they have him, because he 'owned' it.

    My guess.
     
  5. Goonie

    Goonie Not so Mystic Mog. Supporter

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    You missed out asteroid strike.
     
  6. com7fy8

    com7fy8 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Maybe you want to edit this??

    I have no idea what RIF means. I will try to look it up. Not all of us are experts on the subject.

    I think you mean Donald could be trying to trim the budget by removing some number of federal employees he considers not to be necessary. He made the remark, once, that by holding him up, the Democrats are only hurting people who are Democrats. I am not saying this is correct, but he said it. He could later claim that the shutdown helped to remove employees who had been coasting in unnecessary jobs created by the previous Democratic operations. And so, he might say, yes I did drain the swamp.

    Using anything for his purpose.

    Is this what you mean? In any case, let me go try to find "RIP" . . . oops . . . "RIF". Or, do you mean "RIP" for pork jobs????
     
  7. Phil.Stein

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    Those demmies are gonna cave. Or go hungry for costing the nation. Their call.

    Perhaps Trump should agree to pay the unneeded government workers, on condition they build the wall themselves before returning to their non-essential duties?
     
  8. mark kennedy

    mark kennedy Natura non facit saltum Supporter

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    The Senate relents and allows a resolution bill to go to the President, who won't sign it, and is over rode by a sufficient majority. It's the only way.
     
  9. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    Nancy and Schumer feel the heat for not wanting to negotiate and cave.
    Nancy and Schumer begin to take heat rom their constants and give the President what they previously agreed to
    Nancy and Schumer get so many phone calls they have to go back to negotiations
    Nancy and Schumer get voted out

    There are a few you missed:
     
  10. mark kennedy

    mark kennedy Natura non facit saltum Supporter

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    They are winning this political battle in a big way.
    Trump makes agreements and then reneges repeatedly, he seems fond of doing it during budget negotiations.
    That result in bipartisan support that won't get through the Senate.
    I won't hold my breath.
    You got to be putting us on.
     
  11. com7fy8

    com7fy8 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Hmm . . . remove people from pork jobs and have them build the wall.

    The money saved on ending Porky's stuff might be enough to pay for the wall????

    Instead of sitting and doing nothing at a desk . . . which ones have been known for doing, even in educational specialities, they could get exercise while working on the wall and not have to pay for gym fees.
     
  12. camille70

    camille70 Newbie Supporter

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    I don't think this happens while he is being influenced by Stephen Miller.
     
  13. gym_class_hero

    gym_class_hero Well-Known Member

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    it will end when the airports are shut down due to workers not coming in and travel grinds to a halt.
     
  14. cow451

    cow451 Individual-2 Supporter

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    Trump agrees to reopen government implying he is accepting Congressional deal. Then he declares National Emergency, gets bogged down in court. Trump blames dems. Announces North Korea is nuke free, has another summit with Un. Mueller report comes out, Trump declares martial law because North Korea fires missile into the Ocean and China declares ownership of the dark side of the moon.
     
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  15. com7fy8

    com7fy8 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I find it interesting that it is claimed that only essential workers will get paid. Yet, they do not pay airport security workers???? But they expect them to work.

    And there is an issue of airplane safety inspections getting done right. But those personnel are not paid. So, keeping planes from crashing is not essential enough to make sure those government inspection workers get paid.

    But it is reported that airlines take their own responsibility to inspect their own planes. But it is a concern how much they could get slack if federal inspectors are not staying on their cases.

    And how this is effecting Native American people is not getting much attention. I am concerned about if reporting can be cherry picking for the sake of what could effect the most voters.

    Certain reporting people maybe are hoping we will get the drift that Donald is to be blamed for it all, though they might not openly say this is what they want us to see. Meanwhile, others might be so sure everyone with a brain will see how it's the Democrats who are wrong.

    When parents are divorcing, each can be so busy with showing the children how the other one is wrong, but it can be that both parents are wrong . . . somehow, at least. And loving both of them is right :)
     
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  16. evoeth

    evoeth Man trying to figure things out

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    "Trump gets concessions for wall funding > $2.5b" has exactly one vote at this time yet three trump supporters have responded with comments saying the Dems will cave. So now we know only one out of four conservatives on this site actually understands what the word "concessions" means.
     
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  17. Belk

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    I don't think anyone is getting paid. Essential workers are being required to work without compensation.
     
  18. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    I was going to change my vote to Donald getting impeached, but I think this will end before those proceedings begin.
     
  19. loveofourlord

    loveofourlord Newbie

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    what you talking about, if anyone will be it's the republicans, all polls show people blame the republicans, and ironicly even trumps own base is slowing being eroded away on this.
     
  20. Belk

    Belk Senior Member

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    Since the shutdown is hitting his base the most I'm surprised his support is not eroding at a faster pace.
     
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