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How does one survive the tribulation period? Jacobs Trouble/Daniels 70th week

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by JohnB445, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. JohnB445

    JohnB445 Well-Known Member

    United States
    Also what happens to those who are martyred or killed for not taking the mark of the beast when they are not saved? Do they get saved for denying the mark and not worshipping the beast in this time period or do they still end up in hell either way? and for this I am talking about non-Christians who deny the mark.

    What about those who endured the entire 7 year period vs the one who died in martyrdom?
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  2. Maria Billingsley

    Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    In Relationship
    Your questions are from a Dispensational Futurist view. These views were made popular in the mid 19th century by John Nelson Darby. No one can answer these questions with full confidence because there is nothing in scripture that will help answer your questions. It is all speculation. Moving on, you may consider looking into the other view that see's these questions as being fulfilled in first century Jerusalem.
  3. Tolworth John

    Tolworth John Well-Known Member Supporter

    United Kingdom
    Not your problem.
    Those alive when it,if it happens will depend on the grace of God.
    Untill then it is far more important to follow Romans 12:1+2.
    To have bible biased brains so we know what God wants of us.
  4. Greengardener

    Greengardener for love is of God Supporter

    United States
    Most of us don't survive life, regardless of whether it's now or end times. What's important is whether we trust in God's Son and follow Him and along the same vein to believe God enough to put action with our faith, which equates to keeping His commandments. Hiding His word in our heart will help us not sin against Him and in those difficult times will help us to find comfort as well as advantage in that He told us in advance. Keep growing, keep reading. All sorts of interpretations are out there, but keep the word God gave us in your heart first and foremost. What ends up happening might not be what someone else interpreted it to mean - and you don't want to miss it by being biased by someone else's opinion.
  5. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

    United States
    Those who are martyred will be among the ones that have not taken the mark. They chose to die rather than bowing down to the beast and it's image (worshiping) ... and so yes they are saved.

    The mark is a HUGE deception, non-christians (and likely some professed christians) will be deceived and will bow down to the beast and it's image (worship).

    The mark is not a physical mark ... mark on the forehead (thoughts), mark in the hand (what you do).

    The two beasts are religious & political powers working together with the power of satan working through them with great signs and wonders (ie will perform miracles and perceived miracles) will even give the elusion (convincing but not real) of raising the dead.

    Many will believe the anti-christ is Jesus and will worship him out of ignorance of his word or out of having believed false teachers, regarding his Word.

    For every one of Gods truth satan has a counterfeit ... every single one and is very very crafty (deceiving) as we know from the beginning ... still is .... and will be.

    Genesis 3:1

    1Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat of any tree in the garden?

    2nd Corinthians 11:14
    New International Version
    And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

    It's all about worship ... that is what satan is after.

    Matthew 4:9 (example)

    The Temptation of Jesus
    …8 Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9“All this I will give You,” he said, if You will fall down and worship me.”
  6. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

    United Kingdom
    Tribulation has been ongoing since the start of Christianity.
  7. AlexDTX

    AlexDTX Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    I am currently in the book of Jeremiah for my personal Bible study. It is interesting that Jacob's Trouble is the expression used regarding the prophecy of Cyrus freeing the Jews from Babylon. Perhaps the tribulation will primarily be the trouble Jews will have to endure. Jesus was not talking to Greeks. He spoke to Israel about THEIR trouble to come. Of course, we know the Temple was destroyed again in 70 AD, for which Jesus spoke. We know a mass expulsion of Jews from Israel occurred when Bar Khochba revolted in 140 AD. Perhaps the Church is a little narcissistic thinking it applies to us.
  8. ~Zao~

    ~Zao~ Wisdom’s child Supporter

    The time of the Gentiles encompasses everything that went on in that era logically speaking. A lot of things that are said about Nebechanezer ‘king of kings’ etc make me think that he’s a type of Christ. The strike at the heel of His humanity at the arrival of the stone Kingdom disintegrates to the Headship of golden divinity.
  9. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

    New Zealand
    Revelation 5:9-10 makes this clear.
    Those who are martyred will be brought back to life, Revelation 20:4, and those who remain alive will be gathered to Him at the Return. Matthew 24:30-31
    Know that the majority of the faithful Christians will be kept in a place of safety on earth for the 1260 days of the Great Trib. Revelation 12:14
  10. PizzaAddict

    PizzaAddict Member

    Basically will look like this , God will tell every1 with his Angels from heaven about the Gospel of Kingdom and to not take mark of beast , plus the 2 preachers while on the other hand you have society living in peace and harmony for period of time and people willingly ignoring this and taking mark , then the great tribulation happens and u start having famine , earthquakes , mass murders ect.

    So the believers are basically dead or eating from garbage cans while small amount of people remains most die.
    And no once you take the mark you're basically dead the moment you took it , God will torture people so much wih it that people would love to die but won't be able to.

    Ofc you can skip all of that and not fear by being Raptured prior to the events as believer which most people don't believe cuz they want to make themselves like Jesus suffering in pain for their personal glorification .