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What is a freemason? and don't people who are excomunicated have to make a public statment renouncing their heresy?Lifesaver said:Yes, and as far as I know, being in favour of woman's choice in abortion and being a freemason, probably other things too, gets one instantly excommunicated.
Well, stomping on the Body... That would even get you in trouble in the Lutheran Church!proud2bcatholic said:Well, I am sure it has to do with intent. If something happens on accident, then of course that person would not be excommunicated. But if a person drops it on the ground on purpose, then proceeds to step on it or something, then I think that would be one example of desecration.
BroIgnatius,BroIgnatius said:Hi Folks:
There are nine automatic excommunications if I remember right. Being a Mason is not one of them. The 1984 Canon Law no longer automatically excommunicates Masons, but if a Catholic is a Mason he is barred from the Sacraments.
Of the Nine automatic excommunications the last three refer to actions of a priest. They nine are:
1) Heresy
2) Schism
3) Apostasy
4) Procured completed abortion
5) Desecration of the Eucharist
6) Physical attack upon the Pope
7) a priest violating the Confessional Seal
8) a priest absolving his accomplice in a sexual sin
9) a bishop consecrating a new bishop without papal permission
Excommunications can be lifted if the person repents and desire reconciliation. Some excommunications are reserved to the Holy See, others may be lifted by the bishop or any confessor priest.
Here is a Q&A that details the reconciliation:
http://www.saint-mike.org/apologetics/qa/Answers/Faith_Spirituality/f0404250252.html
This reminds me of something.Bradford said:Well, stomping on the Body... That would even get you in trouble in the Lutheran Church!
Number 6 only mentions the Pope... I am surprised a physical attack on a Cardinal or Arch-Bishop would not also recieve the same punishment...
I can get Eucharistic Adoration... but, to adore unconsecreated bread... that doesn't sound acceptable to me at all...proud2bcatholic said:This reminds me of something.
During my Confirmation classes, we had a night on Marriage. Well, the night started off with the Deacon (who was going to give the talk, and is who heavily involved in the pre-cana classes at this Church) proceeding in with a bowl of the Eucharist, once everybody realized that he had the Eucharist everybody then knelt, and we had a little adoration. Then he proceeded to give out the Eucharist to some of the students. Then he took a piece of Eucharist, broke it, dropped it, and stomped it.
I swear about half of the crowd, was about to get up and punch him. The other half turned to their neighbor and said that it must be unconsecrated bread. Which it was, it wasn't consecrated.
He then went on to say that he was proud of us that we were so upset over what he did, but he then went on to say that what he just did with the Eucharist was what we were doing with the Sacrament of Marriage in today's society.
It got the point across, I am not sure if it was the proper thing to do. But anyways, this reminded me of that.
This can be answered by quoting Canon Law 1367:Bradford said:What is meant by number 5? That one seems rather vague, like spilling on the groud could be takes as "Desecration"- but, I'm sure, somewhere in the world, that happens every day...
proud2bcatholic said:BroIgnatius,
You forgot the tenth one
10) Drinking Diet Coke
That was an excellent object lesson. I will remember this one. And, unconsecrated bread is just bread and nothing more.proud2bcatholic said:I know, I don't think it was appropriate either. There were alot of things that I didn't agree with him on, but as you said this is off topic. Sorry.
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