How do you view Daniel 2

[dougangel]

Seeing as how it was GOD who dictated it to Moses who wrote it down I would say that it was very important to GOD. Why call it the law of Moses if GOD gave it to him why not call it the Law of GOD?

Remember what Jesus said
John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

What Jesus is saying is that salvation is in the Torah, the law and the prophets.

NT not yet published but you know that.

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Galatians 3:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed
God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

These verses says that Abraham, long before Martian Luther said it, was saved by his faith in GOD. (righteousness by faith)

In the sanctuary it was by faith they offered the blood sacrifice for their sin. This pointed forward to the Blood of Christ.

Your statements
"Christ entered the sanctuary in heaven with God once and for all. That's what Hebrews 9 says.
He didn't do it again in 1844"
are not wrong but not the whole story.

If you study the process from the courtyard to the Holy of Holy were the ark of the covenant and the mercy seat are located you will see the plan of salvation in the sanctuary. There are two compartments in the temple, Jesus entered the first compartment when he ascended to heaven after meeting with the disciples at the end of the 40 days. In 1844 he entered the second compartment where the ark of the covenant (containing the law that we all will be judged by) and the mercy seat is located to cleanse the sanctuary of sin.
Daniel 8:14
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

He entered as our High Priest and when he is finished with the judgment, that is the close of probation.

All humans from Adam to the end of time will be saved the same way, righteousness by faith Because,
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

If the sanctuary in Daniel 8:14 refers to the heavenly sanctuary as Adventists claim, then what was "the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot" in Daniel 8:13. When was the heavenly sanctuary trampled underfoot? Verse 13 is talking about the same sanctuary, right?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

If the sanctuary in Daniel 8:14 refers to the heavenly sanctuary as Adventists claim, then what was "the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot" in Daniel 8:13. When was the heavenly sanctuary trampled underfoot? Verse 13 is talking about the same sanctuary, right?

Remember that the message of the sanctuary is righteousness by faith. Before Martian Luther the message of righteousness by faith in the sanctuary was replaced by the teaching of righteousness by works by the church thus it was trampled underfoot for centuries. Then we have the Host (Gods people) trampled (killed) by the church before and during the reformation for daring to believe righteousness by faith without going through the church.

 

[dougangel]

So what part did you think repeated itself ? Matthew 32-44 (Rapture) should come before Matthew 14-31 (Second Coming).

Matt 24:4-14 Goes through a history it talks about Christ 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. This seems to talk about the disciples, believers and the gospel.
Then it repeats.
It talks abut the temple what would happen to the temple and Israel being in desolation and dispersed into the nations It talks a bout the Sabbath and seems to be talking about historical Israel
Then at verse 30 it comes together again.
Matt 24:15- 30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Read it carefully from 4- 14 and you will get the 2 themes.

 

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Matt 24:4-14 Goes through a history it talks about Christ 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. This seems to talk about the disciples, believers and the gospel.
Then it repeats.
It talks abut the temple what would happen to the temple and Israel being in desolation and dispersed into the nations It talks a bout the Sabbath and seems to be talking about historical Israel

When they Flee Judea in verse 15 because of the Abomination, that is an END TIME EVENT not the Temple 2000 years ago. Vs. 14 tells us the Gospel is PREACHED UNTO ALL THE WORLD FIRST, then the END....The Abomination happens, and Israel Flees, (Woman in Rev. 12 is Israel). Vs 21 tells us this is the time of trouble like never before. Vs. 22 tells us unless these times were cut short (Jesus coming back) no flesh would be saved. This is an END TIME EVENT.

Then at verse 30 it comes together again.
Matt 24:15- 30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Verse 30 and 31 is the Second Coming. Verses 32-44 is the Rapture, the chapter is disjointed and out of order, they didnt really understand the rapture. Paul was shown that later.

My post has every detail in it.

 

[dougangel]

When they Flee Judea in verse 15 because of the Abomination, that is an END TIME EVENT not the Temple 2000 years ago. Vs. 14 tells us the Gospel is PREACHED UNTO ALL THE WORLD FIRST, then the END....The Abomination happens, and Israel Flees, (Woman in Rev. 12 is Israel). Vs 21 tells us this is the time of trouble like never before. Vs. 22 tells us unless these times were cut short (Jesus coming back) no flesh would be saved. This is an END TIME EVENT.

Verse 30 and 31 is the Second Coming. Verses 32-44 is the Rapture, the chapter is disjointed and out of order, they didnt really understand the rapture. Paul was shown that later.

My post has every detail in it.

They are looking at the temple and ask when where it's thrown down when Does jesus explain that? Isn't he starting at verse 15 with that.

 

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They are looking at the temple and ask when where it's thrown down when Does jesus explain that? Isn't he starting at verse 15 with that.

All that's end time...........Vs. 6 is about the Temple. Hes already told them that not one stone would be left standing. He doesn't need to say that again, he also knows most of the disciples will be away from Jerusalem when this happens, of course Jesus knowing all things knew the Holy Spirit would lead them away from Jerusalem at that time period, if they were still living. Peter, Paul, and most all were away on missions. If they had stayed in Jerusalem they probably would have been killed. Rome went crazy on the Jews.

So verse 6 tells them, (This is about the Temple you see) you will hear of wars and rumors of wars, see that you are not troubled, for all this must come to pass........BUT THE END IS NOT YET......You see this was the Temple Destruction, but then he tells them the END IS NOT YET, he knew they would hear about it.....Then he explains the Rapture Verse 32-44 and the Second Coming verse 21-31, which happens 3 1/2 years after the Abomination of Desolation. Israel flees to the Wilderness for 1260 Days.

 

[dougangel]

All that's end time...........Vs. 6 is about the Temple. Hes already told them that not one stone would be left standing. He doesn't need to say that again, he also knows most of the disciples will be away from Jerusalem when this happens, of course Jesus knowing all things knew the Holy Spirit would lead them away from Jerusalem at that time period, if they were still living. Peter, Paul, and most all were away on missions. If they had stayed in Jerusalem they probably would have been killed. Rome went crazy on the Jews.

So verse 6 tells them, (This is about the Temple you see) you will hear of wars and rumors of wars, see that you are not troubled, for all this must come to pass........BUT THE END IS NOT YET......You see this was the Temple Destruction, but then he tells them the END IS NOT YET, he knew they would hear about it.....Then he explains the Rapture Verse 32-44 and the Second Coming verse 21-31, which happens 3 1/2 years after the Abomination of Desolation. Israel flees to the Wilderness for 1260 Days.

the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Isaiah 13:10
The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.
19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the pride and glory of the Babylonians,
will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Isaiah 34:4
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.
5 My sword has drunk its fill in the heavens;
see, it descends in judgment on Edom,
the people I have totally destroyed.

Ezekiel 32:7
When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon will not give its light.
Son of man, take up a lament concerning Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him:
7 When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars;
I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon will not give its light.
8 All the shining lights in the heavens
I will darken over you; I will bring darkness over your land,
declares the Sovereign Lord.
Joel 2:10
Before them the earth shakes, the heavens tremble, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars no longer shine.
Joel 2:31
The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
Joel 3:15
The sun and moon will be darkened, and the stars no longer shine.
Matthew 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

This is This is apocalyptic language
Prophets using highly shocking non literal language to make a point and get the readers or hearers attention. This is a technique used all through the bible. It can't be understood in a modern literal scientific manner.

When you get the sun the moon the stars going dark or loosing lighting this is sign of calamity for that nation or empire. Being destroyed or sacked or taken into slavery. That nation or empire, going into darkness

After the sacking of Jerusalem (the temple) and tribulation of Israel being dispersed. Israel has gone into darkness. So that part has been fulfilled.

 

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Matthew 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

This is This is apocalyptic language
Prophets using highly shocking non literal language to make a point and get the readers or hearers attention. This is a technique used all through the bible. It can't be understood in a modern literal scientific manner.

When you get the sun the moon the stars going dark or loosing lighting this is sign of calamity for that nation or empire. Being destroyed or sacked or taken into slavery. That nation or empire, going into darkness

After the sacking of Jerusalem (the temple) and tribulation of Israel being dispersed. Israel has gone into darkness. So that part has been fulfilled.

Verse 29 has nothing to do with 2000 yeas ago. It is about what is going to happen just before Jesus returns. The Sun, Moon and Stars lose their light by a 1/3 during the Trumpets phase of Revelation. That comes from all the grass and trees being burned, do you not get that ?

The Abomination of Desolation as an end time event.

 

[dougangel]

All that's end time...........Vs. 6 is about the Temple. Hes already told them that not one stone would be left standing. He doesn't need to say that again, he also knows most of the disciples will be away from Jerusalem when this happens, of course Jesus knowing all things knew the Holy Spirit would lead them away from Jerusalem at that time period, if they were still living. Peter, Paul, and most all were away on missions. If they had stayed in Jerusalem they probably would have been killed. Rome went crazy on the Jews.

So verse 6 tells them, (This is about the Temple you see) you will hear of wars and rumors of wars, see that you are not troubled, for all this must come to pass........BUT THE END IS NOT YET......You see this was the Temple Destruction, but then he tells them the END IS NOT YET, he knew they would hear about it.....Then he explains the Rapture Verse 32-44 and the Second Coming verse 21-31, which happens 3 1/2 years after the Abomination of Desolation. Israel flees to the Wilderness for 1260 Days.

It mention wars in v6
It mentions temples in verse 15
what your saying is very weak. so we will agree to disagree

 

[dougangel]

Verse 29 has nothing to do with 2000 yeas ago. It is about what is going to happen just before Jesus returns. The Sun, Moon and Stars lose their light by a 1/3 during the Trumpets phase of Revelation. That comes from all the grass and trees being burned, do you not get that ?

The Abomination of Desolation as an end time event.

Scientifically stars don't fall down.

It's ancient Israelite apocalyptic language for a nation or empire being destroyed or going into darkness. we will agree to disagree
thanks

 

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It mention wars in v6
It mentions temples in verse 15
what your saying is very weak. so we will agree to disagree

No, you just have no understanding of facts. Verse 14 says the Gospel must be preached unto all the world, then the end, but you can't grasp that the Temple being spoken of in the very next verse is an END TIME TEMPLE. That is on you not me. Then in verse 21 it speaks of a TIME OF TROUBLE and says in verse 22 if those days were not shortened no flesh would be saved. DID JESUS COME BACK 2000 YEARS AGO and shorten the days ? NO....Its nonsensical.

Then go read Daniel 12:1-2 about this same time of trouble and see if you can see the Rapture like I do !!

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

This TIME OF TROUBLE is an End Time Event....The Rapture happens at this SAME TIME.

 

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Scientifically stars don't fall down.

It's ancient Israelite apocalyptic language for a nation or empire being destroyed or going into darkness. we will agree to disagree
thanks

You might want to read Revelation again. The Seven Stars in Jesus' hands were Seven Angels. The Star that fell to earth with the Key to the Bottomless pit was an Angel...........Those stars that were SHAKEN was Satan and his minions being cast out of Heaven.

When the Stars, Sun ans Moon lose their light, its because of SMOKE.

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {It is an Angel with a KEY !!

10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

An Angel was sent to poison the Waters......

 

[dougangel]

No, you just have no understanding of facts. Verse 14 says the Gospel must be preached unto all the world, then the end, but you can't grasp that the Temple being spoken of in the very next verse is an END TIME TEMPLE. That is on you not me. Then in verse 21 it speaks of a TIME OF TROUBLE and says in verse 22 if those days were not shortened no flesh would be saved. DID JESUS COME BACK 2000 YEARS AGO and shorten the days ? NO....Its nonsensical.

Then go read Daniel 12:1-2 about this same time of trouble and see if you can see the Rapture like I do !!

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

This TIME OF TROUBLE is an End Time Event....The Rapture happens at this AME TIME.

Remember Jesus is answering 3 questions

What will be the sign of you coming ?
When will the temple be destroyed ?
And when is the end of age ?

verses 4-14 deals with the signs of him coming for believers and a quick history of the church age. The gospel preached to the whole world. There is a ending.
verses 15-29 deals with the temple being destroyed and Israel going into desolation. ( If the national sacrifice of Israel happens again and the national temple rebuilt on the mosk site. history could repeat and it happens to Israel at the end again )
verses 30-31 deals with the end of the age again That is dealing with when is the end of the age ?

 

[dougangel]

No, you just have no understanding of facts. Verse 14 says the Gospel must be preached unto all the world, then the end, but you can't grasp that the Temple being spoken of in the very next verse is an END TIME TEMPLE. That is on you not me. Then in verse 21 it speaks of a TIME OF TROUBLE and says in verse 22 if those days were not shortened no flesh would be saved. DID JESUS COME BACK 2000 YEARS AGO and shorten the days ? NO....Its nonsensical.

Then go read Daniel 12:1-2 about this same time of trouble and see if you can see the Rapture like I do !!

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

This TIME OF TROUBLE is an End Time Event....The Rapture happens at this AME TIME.

The rapture happens at the 2nd coming.

 

[dougangel]

Then in verse 21 it speaks of a TIME OF TROUBLE and says in verse 22 if those days were not shortened no flesh would be saved. DID JESUS COME BACK 2000 YEARS AGO and shorten the days ? NO....Its nonsensical.

Well I believe this is talking about the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of Israel and the dispersa around 70 ad.
why does verse 21 say " never to be equaled again"
if this is the end of the world. That is, how can it be equaled again if it the end of the world.

 

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Remember Jesus is answering 3 questions

What will be the sign of you coming ?
When will the temple be destroyed ?
And when is the end of age ?

Brother you have this all mixed up. Jesus has already told the the Temple would be destroyed, he doesn't need to repeat it. Also this is written some years later, mostly by memory. Verse 1-13 is about the 2000 year period between the death of Jesus and the coming Rapture.

verses 4-14 deals with the signs of him coming for believers and a quick history of the church age. The gospel preached to the whole world. There is a ending.

No, your problem is you want to match up the Seals and Revelation with Matthew, I have seen this error before. And you guys who can't differentiate between the the Rapture and the Second coming are hopeless at understanding scriptures from what I see.

This is the 2000 year period and he tells the Disciples HEY......Remember I told you about the Temple being destroyed ? Well you will hear of wars and rumors of wars (when you are away in Rome, Asia Minor etc.) but the END IS NOT YET...........Basically he was telling them, when the Temple is Destroyed, the End is not yet. Then he tells the Disciples they would be betrayed and Killed, MOST WERE, Peter was Crucified etc. etc. You have the whole chapter confused.

verses 4-14 deals with the signs of him coming for believers and a quick history of the church age. The gospel preached to the whole world. There is a ending.

For the end is not YET....The Temples destruction is not my Second Coming, for Nations will rise against nations (more wars to come) there will be famines, pestilences and earthquakes. Jesus is painting a picture so they understand that the Temples destruction is NOT THE END !! All of these things are BIRTH PANGS, meaning that the End is not yet but NIGH.

Then Jesus tells the Disciples their fate, they will be hated and killed for Christs names sake, as will others. Jesus then says there will be many false prophets ( NOT THE FALSE PROPHET, hence MANY !! ) and they will deceive many, BUT......He that endures until the end (this is speaking of PERSONAL FAITH, not enduring tribulation at the end times, but enduring tribulation we all face in everyday life) will be saved.

verses 15-29 deals with the temple being destroyed and Israel going into desolation. ( If the national sacrifice of Israel happens again and the national temple rebuilt on the mosk site. history could repeat and it happens to Israel at the end again )

15-31 Deals with the last 7 Year period, after the Rapture, actually verses 32-44 should be fore this.

Jesus clearly says that the Abomination of Desolation come after the Gospel has been preached unto all the World, verse 14. Then the Jews Flee Judea, just like Revelation 12 says, the Woman flees to the Wilderness. Then in vs. 21 there is a TIME OF TROUBLE like never before, just like in Daniel 12:1-2 and in Daniel we see the Rapture happens at THIS EXACT TIME, Wake up man. Then we are told id Jesus didn't come back (time is shortened) then no flesh would be saved. So Israel is in the Wilderness, being protected by God for 1260 Days, thus these passages..........

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus is warning Israel who are SAFE in the Wilderness, do not go out unto the Desert or to those Secret Chambers when you hear about the MIRACLES BEING PERFORMED....That is not me, for I will come from the EASTERN SKIES IN THE CLOUDS !!

Do you not get this ? Jesus is warning Israel about THE Anti-Christ and False Prophet here, because he speaks about the same Miracles as Revelation 13 speaks about.

Rev. 13 :14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Getting the Abomination of Desolation wrong by 2000 years also throws people off kilter.

verses 30-31 deals with the end of the age again That is dealing with when is the end of the age ?

Yes, this is the Second Coming. Just as Jesus is speaking about in verse 26 and 27. The Rapture is verses 32-44.

 

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The rapture happens at the 2nd coming.

NOPE...........................

Then in verse 21 it speaks of a TIME OF TROUBLE and says in verse 22 if those days were not shortened no flesh would be saved. DID JESUS COME BACK 2000 YEARS AGO and shorten the days ? NO....Its nonsensical.

Well I believe this is talking about the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of Israel and the dispersa around 70 ad.
why does verse 21 say " never to be equaled again"
if this is the end of the world. That is, how can it be equaled again if it the end of the world.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The RAPTURE HAPPENS at this Tie of Trouble !!

 

[dougangel]

Brother you have this all mixed up. Jesus has already old the the Temple would be destroyed, he doesn't need to repeat it. Also this is written some years later, mostly by memory. Verse 1-13 is about the 2000 year period between the death of Jesus and the coming Rapture.


No, your problem is you want to match up the Seals and Revelation with Matthew, I have seen this error before. And you guys who can't differentiate between the the Rapture and the Second coming are hopeless at understanding scriptures from what I see.

This is the 2000 year period and he tells the Disciples HEY......Remember I told you about the Temple being destroyed ? Well you will hear of wars and rumors of wars (when you are away in Rome, Asia Minor etc.) but the END IS NOT YET...........Basically he was telling them, when the Temple is Destroyed, the End is not yet. Then he tells the Disciples they would be betrayed and Killed, MOST WERE, Peter was Crucified etc. etc. You have the whole chapter confused.



For the end is not YET....The Temples destruction is not my Second Coming, for Nations will rise against nations (more wars to come) there will be famines, pestilences and earthquakes. Jesus is painting a picture so they understand that the Temples destruction is NOT THE END !! All of these things are BIRTH PANGS, meaning that the End is not yet but NIGH.

Then Jesus tells the Disciples their fate, they will be hated and killed for Christs names sake, as will others. Jesus then says there will be many false prophets ( NOT THE FALSE PROPHET, hence MANY !! ) and they will deceive many, BUT......He that endures until the end (this is speaking of PERSONAL FAITH, not enduring tribulation at the end times, but enduring tribulation we all face in everyday life) will be saved.



15-31 Deals with the last 7 Year period, after the Rapture, actually verses 32-44 should be fore this.

Jesus clearly says that the Abomination of Desolation come after the Gospel has been preached unto all the World, verse 14. Then the Jews Flee Judea, just like Revelation 12 says, the Woman flees to the Wilderness. Then in vs. 21 there is a TIME OF TROUBLE like never before, just like in Daniel 12:1-2 and in Daniel we see the Rapture happens at THIS EXACT TIME, Wake up man. Then we are told id Jesus didn't come back (time is shortened) then no flesh would be saved. So Israel is in the Wilderness, being protected by God for 1260 Days, thus these passages..........

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus is warning Israel who are SAFE in the Wilderness, do not go out unto the Desert or to those Secret Chambers when you hear about the MIRACLES BEING PERFORMED....That is not me, for I will come from the EASTERN SKIES IN THE CLOUDS !!

Do you not get this ? Jesus is warning Israel about THE Anti-Christ and False Prophet here, because he speaks about the same Miracles as Revelation 13 speaks about.

Rev. 13 :14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Getting the Abomination of Desolation wrong by 2000 years also throws people off kilter.



Yes, this is the Second Coming. Just as Jesus is speaking about in verse 26 and 27. The Rapture is verses 32-44.

You jumping all of the place and adding things not said.

It does say the end comes in verse 14.
Well agree to disagree. I'm not going to put more time into this.

God bless.

 

[Douggg]

Scientifically stars don't fall down.

True, but they do fall into themselves - black holes. Science aside, stars falling is that they will appear to fall to the horizon as they are removed - no-one knows how God will do that. uh...I have not be following the discussion, so I really don't know exactly what stars passage is being referred to.... I myself am referring to the ones in the sixth seal, in Revelation 6.

 

[dougangel]

True, but they do fall into themselves - black holes. Science aside, stars falling is that they will appear to fall to the horizon as they are removed - no-one knows how God will do that. uh...I have not be following the discussion, so I really don't know exactly what stars passage is being referred to.... I myself am referring to the ones in the sixth seal, in Revelation 6.

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