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How do you understand atonement

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Stryder06, Apr 8, 2013.

  1. Leuko Petra

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    Scripturally there are multiple "atonements", for instance:

    an "atonement" that could be done throughout the year on any day, "daily": And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them. Leviticus 4:20

    And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him. Leviticus 4:26

    And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn [it] upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him. Leviticus 4:31

    And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him. Leviticus 4:35

    but "forgiveness" of sins, does not blot anything out of the record of that sin. The sinner was forgiven at the very gate, but more was then needed from that point onward, and could not be finalized until the Day of Atonement - see also Matthew 18, etc. Forgiveness/remission is but the covering of sin, not the blotting out of sin. Another thing that these passages reveal is that sin is not merely being born, but something that is "committed" [see also 1 John 3:4], and also even something omitted.

    Yet if truly atoned, why the need for the Day of Atonement services, which are a type? If forgiveness blotted out sin, why the need to remove, in the type, that which was in type, stored daily, and throughout the year? It is simple, forgiveness does not blot out sin. To blot out sin, another work is needed.

    and so there is the final "atonement" that could only be made once in the year, the Day of Atonement [Yom Kippur]:

    And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it [is] a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God. Leviticus 23:28
     
  2. Leuko Petra

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    Heb 1:3 KJV Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    Hebrews 1:3 is speaking of the 'purging' or the "washing away" of our past sins from us by the one time all sufficient propitiative sacrifice of Jesus, for the word [καθαρισμός] utilized is also found in 2 Peter 1:9, "But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from 2512 his old sins."; and also used in Mark 1:44; Luke 2:22, 5:14; John 2:6, 3:25, besides Hebrews 1:3; 2 Peter 1:9. This is related to the word καθαρίζω, which means to cleanse, purify, or to free from the guilt of sin. Notice, it does not blot out any of the record of sin recorded in Heaven, but frees us from the guilt of past sins, by the forgiveness of past sins. Notice, none of the texts which uses the word καθαρισμός say anything about blotting out of the record of the sins in Heaven. This is why in Acts 22:16, and elsewhere, we may arise and "wash away [our] sins".

    Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Romans 3:25

    And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5

    Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah. Psalms 85:2

    But sin that is covered, is not blotted out, but remains to be dealt with still, therefore it is a period of probationary time granted, a time of testing, though we are free in Grace to live in obedience to His will [Psalms 40:8], we do not have to continue in abiding in Him, for our free choice is still ours, even throughout eternity, but if in spite of that Grace we live in sin still, Matthew 18, reveals, as did the type, there is the "Day of Atonement" to come to reckoning, and the payment could be reinstituted, and the person cut off of life forever.

    Though we, which are Christians, are washed of past sins, the blotting out of sins was/is still yet future, for there was yet more to be dealt with still, even as the type revealed, given unto us by God in the earthly sanctuary service. A person which sinned [1 John 3:4], could come throughout the year and make "an atonement", but that person's sin while removed in faith, from themselves, went unto another, and further work was to be done even from the gate - in both directions. Justification is worthless without sanctification. Forgiveness of sins, worthless without victory over sins. This is the Everlasting Gospel, and Christ Jesus proved that sinful flesh, by the power of the divine, could live righteously and without sin - thus sin was condemned in the sinful flesh, and there is no excuse for sin - none. Satan is the liar. Mankind can obey God, even in His Ten Commandments by the indwelling of God in them, and every thought may be brought into subjection to Christ. Yes, we can have victory over every temptation and sin, here, now, in this life, even beginning this very moment - and we may do it even as Christ overcame.

    Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Acts 3:19

    "may be", "shall come", and in the context of the very next verse "ὅπως" [so that; KJV 'and'],

    And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Acts 3:20

    Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Acts 3:21

    James speaks about the same:

    Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. James 5:7

    Other texts to consider on the refreshing and latter rains, Deuteronomy 11:14; Job 29:23; Proverbs 16:15; Jeremiah 3:3 [especially that one], 5:24; Joel 2:23; Hosea 6:3; Zechariah 10:1 and Isaiah 28:12; Deuteronomy 32:2; Revelation 11:6; James 5:17; 1 Kings 17:1, 18:1,44-45; Matthew 7:25,27 [and that Latter Rain will come, and will ripen the Wheat Harvest, and also the Tare Harvest, the Rain comes to both, even as the Sun softens one, hardens another...]

    Notice, that the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord, which Christ will have then blotted out the sins in the Heavenly Most Holy, and then the Father sends Jesus Christ the second time, as it is written:

    So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Hebrews 9:28

    Then shall we know, [if] we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter [and] former rain unto the earth. Hosea 6:3

    God will be vindicated, Romans 3:4. Not only did God prove it in Christ Jesus the Head, He is going to fulfill His promise and prove it many times over in the "144,000", for He will have taken sinners, and brought them about to the uttermost, into being total overcomers in sinful flesh - never to sin again, beginning on this earth, ready to be translated.

    Behold and marvel ye heavens, be humbled o earth, for what God is about to bring forth, never will be seen again throughout eternity!

    As the Head [Christ] was victorious and bruised the head of the serpent, even so the foot [of His body, the last portion, the remnant of the body] will so crush the serpent [Romans 16:20].
     
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  3. Stryder06

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    Thank you. It wasn't until a few days ago that I was thinking to myself "aren't there multiple forms of 'atonement' in the scripture"? With it being so, it would best serve for us to understand the ways atonement was made so we can see how Christ fulfilled them all.
     
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    Yes, the individual sin offerings were atonement for specific acts, whether for the individual or even the whole camp.

    The Day of Atonement was for all the sins throughout the year.

    That however, does not change the fact that all the bloodwork was done at one point in history and is applied to us now as we come to Him in time of need.
     
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    Peter is talking about those who believe then turn away. Indeed, they forget they were purged from their own sins. And He says their final position was worse than before. So we agree that if you turn from Jesus you lose the benefit of His intercession for you.


    Hebrews, however, does not in fact say past sins.

    It says He made purification of sins. And yes, it was by His all sufficient sacrifice BUT ALSO by His presentation of that in heaven, in fulfillment of the portion of the Day of Atonement that happened in the sanctuary



    Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
    Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.
    Heb 9:25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own

    It is used in a great number of contexts. However, in Hebrews 9:23-25 it is clearly about cleansing the heavenly things by the blood of Jesus, compared with the entry of the high priest with blood yearly on the Day of Atonement.

    Hebrews does not say past sins. And it does speak of the cleansing of the heavenly things, and it does speak of Jesus accomplishing this.

    We will agree tht the person who turns from faith in Christ has no forgiveness because they have rejected that means.

    However, Hebrews is talking about the blood provision for all sins, and Katharizo is certainly used in that context in Hebrews 9 and Hebrews 1:3.

    We come to Christ for help in time of need, based on His one time ministration in the past, one time death, one time entry, one time cleansing. We either accept it for ourselves or not.

    Heb 4:14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
    Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
    Heb 4:16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.



    The key acts of death, entry and purification by blood will not be repeated. We however still make our decisions whether we will avail ourselves.


    Notice, offered once for all. This will not happen again. Nor will the once for all entry in fulfillment of the type.

    Heb 9:11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation)
    Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

    Nor will the cleansing:

    Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
    Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.
    Heb 9:25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own



    Heb 1:3 b After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

    Now, as to the scapegoat, that happened after Jesus left the sanctuary. The NT does not spell it out. So it may still happen in that order.

    However, the portion in the sanctuary dealing with the death, entry and purification is already done, and was in the first century.


    The cleansing work in the sanctuary was a blood work of atonement and purification. It was not an investigation of records as you assert.

    Death, entry, purification by blood. That is the fulfillment of the type.
     
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    We know that we see and part and understand in part. Tall, the sanctuary is full of symbology. The cleansing work of the blood sprinkled by the priest symbolizes the cleansing work of Christ in the sanctuary. That cleansing is the investigative judgment. How do you believe Christ is cleansing the sanctuary?

    Considering that the sins of the people are what polluted the sanctuary, and it was only cleansed once the priest left the sanctuary and placed them upon the scapegoat, you can't say that the sanctuary is already clean.
     
  7. abacabb

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    Christ took our sins and they literally got nailed to the cross. He became a curse for us, He took the punishment we deserve. This makes all in Christ blamess. He then imputed onto us His righteousness, so that we stand before God perfectly righteous.

    "And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight." (Col 1:21-22)
     
  8. Leuko Petra

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    We are not speaking about the one time sacrifice per se [though included], but really, the method of at-one-ment, in the Day of Atonement [Lev 16,23], which differs from those those which are made throughout the year [Lev 4]. Of course the sacrifice of Jesus is sufficient, and the blood covers, as needed, hence we may boldy come to the throne of Grace [Heb 4:16].

    The question was not addressed in the reply, in that since there was such atonements made throughout the year [Lev 4], why the need for the Day of Atonement services [Lev 16,23].

    The Day of Atonement [Lev 16,23] involves more than the individual [in Lev 4], as it requires that there be the "...reconciling the holy [place], and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar..." [Lev 16:20], which we also see "...the altar that [is] before the LORD, and make an atonement for it...cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel." [Lev 16:18-19]; and "And he shall make an atonement for the holy [place], because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness." [Lev 16:16]

    Since the peoples Israel were atoned already from the Lev 4 services, why then the Lev 16,23 services? It is because much more had to be accomplished. Their sins throughout the year were covered by the blood, in faith, but their record of sin was carried into the Sanctuary itself, there 'stored'.

    Christ Jesus is both the Bullock and the Lord's Goat, but not the Scapegoat, which is why there is the mentioning of the "lots":

    And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. Lev 16:8

    There would be no need for "lots" to be cast if both were to represent Christ Jesus. "Lots" in scripture were always used to choose between two [or more] things, not one [Leviticus 16:8,9,10; Numbers 26:55,56, 33:54, 34:13, 36:2,3; Deuteronomy 32:9; Joshua 13:6, 14:2, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1,2,14,17, 18:6,8,10,11, 19:1,10,17,24,32,40,51, 21:4,5,6,8,10,20,40, 23:4; Judges 1:3, 20:9; 1 Samuel 14:41; 1 Chronicles 6:54,61,63,65, 16:18, 24:5,7,31, 25:8,9, 26:13,14,16; Esther 3:7, 9:24; Nehemiah 10:34, 11:1; Psalms 16:5, 22:18, 105:11, 125:3; Proverbs 1:14, 16:33, 18:18; Isaiah 17:14, 34:17, 57:6; Jeremiah 13:25; Ezekiel 24:6, 45:1, 47:22, 48:29; Daniel 12:13; JOel 3:3; Obadiah 1:11; Jonah 1:7; Micah 2:5; Nahum 3:10; Luke 1:9; Acts 1:26, 8:21, 13:19]. Notice, that both goats receive a designation, "one lot for the LORD". How many for the LORD? Two or one? It is only "one". The other "lot" was not then "for the LORD", but rather for someone else, "the other lot for the scapegoat", notice "for the scapegoat".

    It is stated in the response that the 'bloodwork' was 'done' at 'one point in history', but this is not so, for scripture does not teach this, but rather that the "sacrifice" was "once" [Heb 7:27, 9:27].

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 John 1:7

    Present tense, but in condition of "if we walk in the light as he is in the light", and if walking in the light, as he, then "the blood of Jesus cleanseth" [present tense, currently active V-PAI-3S] us "from all sin" [transgression of His Ten Commandment Law; 1 John 3:4]. The 'bloodwork' continues. For it must of necessity not merely cover the sin, but come to blot it out entirely. Not only must we have Justification, but Sanctification.

    Hebrews 9 is clear, in its conxtext, deals with the "sacrifice", even the "one" compared to the many types/shadow sacrifices:

    "...which were offered both gifts and sacrifices..." [Heb 9:9]

    "...by the blood of goats and calves..." [Heb 9:12]

    "...by his own blood he entered in once..." [Heb 9:12]

    "...the blood of bulls and of goats..." [Heb 9:13]

    "...the ashes of an heifer..." [Heb 9:13]

    "...the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God..." [Heb 9:14]

    "...that by means of death..." [Heb 9:15]

    "...must also of necessity be the death of the testator..." [Heb 9:16]

    "For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." [Heb 9:17]

    "...dedicated without blood..." [Heb 9:18]

    "...the blood of calves and of goats..." [Heb 9:19]

    "...the blood of the testament..." [Heb 9:20]

    "...sprinkled with blood..." [Heb 9:21]

    "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." [Heb 9:22]

    Notice that word "remission", is not "blotting out of sin".

    "...the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these." [Heb 9:23]

    "Nor yet that he should offer himself often..." [Heb 9:25]

    "...with blood of others." [Heb 9:25]

    "...must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world..." [Heb 9:26]

    "...now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." [Heb 9:26]

    "...unto men once to die..." [Heb 9:27]

    So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. [Heb 9:25]

    Hebrews 10, continues this theme:

    For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. [Heb 10:1]

    What Law? Not the perfect Moral Law, the Ten Commandments of God, for no one will find anything in the Ten Commandments dealing with sacrifices at all.

    "For then would they not have ceased to be offered?..." [Heb 10:2]

    But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year. [Heb 10:3]

    For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. [Heb 10:4]

    Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: [Heb 10:5]

    In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure. [Heb 10:6]

    Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law; [Heb 10:8]

    Where in the perfect Moral Law of God, the Ten Commandments is anything to be offered in sacrifice or burnt offering?

    By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. [Heb 10:10]

    Notice, what is the context still, the True, Real and 'one offering' of Jesus. compared to all of the types given in the earthly sanctaury services. This is the focus of Paul. Yes, the Sacrifice portion, the Sacrifice part "...is finished", it is 'complete', but yet not all is yet "...done", not all yet 'completed'.

    "...every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices..." [Heb 10:11]

    But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; [Heb 10:12]

    What is still the context?, the "sacrifice".

    For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [Heb 10:14]

    By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [Heb 10:20]

    For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [Heb 10;26]

    "...the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant..." [Heb 10:29]

    Therefore, the blood is made available, that fountain opened [Zech 13:1].
     
  9. Leuko Petra

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    That is a half gospel, and thus no gospel at all, for it leaves us "blameless" sinners/transgressors still. We may 'look' the righteous part, but we would not actually be the righteous part. That is the difference between imputation and impartation. We may 'accounted' blameless, but that would not do us nor God any good at all. it would mean that He could only save us 'legally' in sins, not actually save us "from" [Matthew 1:21] our sins.

    It would be the same as letting go a mass murderer by pardoning him, but if not actually changed, even though his past deeds forgiven, thrown into the depths of the sea [covered], he would simply be a terror in grace, merely called a lamb, though nothing of the sort.

    Imputed righteousness to the sinner [1 John 3:4, trasngressor of God's Law, the Ten Commandments], is worthless without imparted righteousness to overcome temptation and sin.

    The sinner must of necessity die the second death, never to be resurrected - he must die in Christ, that Christ may live in Him. The sinner cannot ever enter heaven, no matter how much imputed righteousness he may claim, for if righteousness is not truly imparted, he is not saved in the least - merely called 'saved', which is a lie.
     
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    Why are we arguing over semantics, i.e. impart vs impute, neither word in the Bible by the way.

    If your motivation is to say that the saved believer will live more righteously than previously, because the Holy Spirit will do good works through a Christian, then yes, we agree.

    If, on the other hand you are espousing a view along the lines of the Christian will become perfectly righteous in this life, like Christ, and those good works will save a man, then you are dead wrong, misunderstand Scripture, and do not understand your own personal life experience, because you are still in your sin, as am I.
     
  11. Leuko Petra

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    Is the poster suggesting that Hebrews is not actually referring to 'past' sins only, but to something else, and if so what?
     
  12. Leuko Petra

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    Words do not have to be, but the idea, the teaching is. How about an example?
     
  13. Leuko Petra

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    Neither I nor scripture teach either of those two total statements, since both espouse error in each at some point and also carry a misunderstanding of what was stated and taught from scripture previously.
     
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    How about you address the rest of the post?

    If your motivation is to say that the saved believer will live more righteously than previously, because the Holy Spirit will do good works through a Christian, then yes, we agree.

    If, on the other hand you are espousing a view along the lines of the Christian will become perfectly righteous in this life, like Christ, and those good works will save a man, then you are dead wrong, misunderstand Scripture, and do not understand your own personal life experience, because you are still in your sin, as am I.
     
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    Sure, point to me the texts where the Christian will be perfectly righteous in this life and I will point you back to Romans 7. Your Gospel is no Gospel at all, it puts a constraint on man that is impossible.
     
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    No, it [the Everlasting Gospel which is preached, total victory now/here/today/moment by moment] vindicates God, but any which do not preach it, but preach only some victory [therefore partial defeat, partial falling, partial death], but not total and complete victory over all temptation and sin [total death of the old man in sin, living as the New Creature, the New Man], they are actually saying [whether known or not] God is the liar, and Satan preaches truth, because it is God which promised "I will...".

    For instance:

    Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jude 1:24

    Yes or no? Are we to make excuses? Are we to make it say something other than total victory over all temptation and sin?

    Notice:

    Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 John 3:6

    Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7

    He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

    Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

    We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 1 John 5:18

    etc.

    Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2 Peter 1:4

    Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. Hebrews 7:25

    Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:48

    Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Philippians 2:5

    What was the requirement in the Garden of Eden to remain therein? Perfect obedience to the will of God.

    And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 21:27
     
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    Let me point to an example,

    And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off: Luke 17:12

    And they lifted up [their] voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us. Luke 17:13

    And when he saw [them], he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed. Luke 17:14

    We see Ten Leperous men, all desiring to be made clean, yes?

    What if all Jesus were to say to them, "Be thou Clean.", and so "legally" declared them clean, but did not actually make them clean.

    Jesus told them, "Go shew yourselves unto the priests.", but notice no change had yet occured in them. Jesus told them to do something which could only be done if there was a reason to do so, but they were still lepers. But they in faith went, and it was not until they were in the going, "it came to pass, that, as they went", that then "they were cleansed".

    Were they merely 'legally' cleansed [by pronouncement], merely Justified, or where they also thoroughly Sanctified, made whole and entire, and cleansed of all leperosy?

    Leperosy is a symbol for sin. If all Christ Jesus does is to Justify us, but cannnot actually in the here and now Sanctify us totally, what good is such a gospel, for it is no gospel at all. Big deal, I [as the Leper] would say, I am 'declared' clean, but in reality my leprosy clings to my skin still, destroying me, there is a stink, my flesh rots, and falls away and the disease may still be contracted by others, even though I was in theory, in word alone, in a legal sense, clean. But could I ever actually enter the temple in such a condition? Nope.

    Justification [declared righteous], without true [total] Sanctification [made righteous] is worthless, and no Gospel at all. The True and Everlasting Gospel declares that God not only imputes, but imparts by the same Grace.

    Notice, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1

    Not a little bit, not sometimes, not partially, but "sin not". That is to say, Do not sin at all, for it is the power of the Grace of God, even Jesus Christ which maketh thee whole. Notice, the "if", not "when". If means, you DO NOT have to sin anymore. Believe Christ, believe God, cease from the half-truths of satan.

    People have a distorted gospel, because they reject the sinful fleshly nature which Jesus Christ took upon himself. It is upon this that so much hangs...

    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

    What flesh? the likeness of sinful flesh [Romans 8:3], even the likeness of men [Philippians 2:7], even "partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same" [Hebrews 2:14], being "made flesh" [John 1;14] even as spoken unto David, "God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne" [Acts 2:30]. John speaks about those which reject this -

    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3

    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 John 1:7

    Again, what flesh is John speaking about, the "sarx" [Romans 9:5, 2 Corinthians 5:16, Galatians 5:24 [which flesh is crucified???], Colossians 1:22; Hebrews 5:17, etc] of the human family, the fallen sinful flesh, "of the seed of Abraham" [Hebrews 2:16], "of the seed of David according to the flesh" [Romans 1:3], even a [son of] "Adam" [Luke 3:38]. How many sons of [the first] Adam came into the world with sinful flesh? All of them.
     
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