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How do we choose a President?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by MorkandMindy, Jan 1, 2021.

  1. MorkandMindy

    MorkandMindy Senior Veteran Supporter

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    We eliminate the ones we don't want and anyone likely to start a nuclear war.

    We eliminate
    1. Anyone young, after all they should wait their turn and we don't want anyone younger than us to rise past us in terms of success, or at least we won't help them to.
    2. Anyone intelligent and well-educated, why should we vote for someone who had opportunities we never had.
    3. Anyone too dictatorial; we don't want to go to war again, we lost enough money under G W Bush doing that, and we don't want someone as frightening as Hillary was.

    Those are just my impressions, I don't pay any attention to the MSM so it might be difficult to engage with my lingo,
    but I always look for posts that help me to understand things better, and many do.
     
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  2. MorkandMindy

    MorkandMindy Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Action: stop complaining if a President is stupid or living in the past because those are the ones we elect.

    Instead find a way to apply pressure to get them to do what we need, a Public Action Committee.
     
  3. PloverWing

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    Yes, apply pressure, but also: vote differently, instead of just being cynical. I almost always try to vote for intelligent, well-educated candidates, and I have voted for a presidential candidate who was younger than me.
     
  4. MorkandMindy

    MorkandMindy Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Well I voted in the Primary for one who was:

    1 younger
    2 more intelligent
    3 and has money than I have.

    I'm not willing to sacrifice the country for my own ego.
     
  5. Strathos

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    It's always a choice of the lesser evil, at least in my experience.
     
  6. lordjeff

    lordjeff Active Member

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    The US will never get it right. First of all it's really the media that sets up whom will win. People don't read resumes of educational backgrounds, specific skill sets, experiencing running something. They go by celebrity & name recognition. Politicians in turn have no real principles; they court trends & vulnerabilities. One party courts the military industrial complex b/c they believe wars are patriotic & build jobs at least in the short term. Another party courts victimization & social engineering. Their goal is to convince people that some people are so much of special interest, they deserve a label & a subsidy to boot. Wouldn't it be nice if we actually had someone who had an academic background & actually had experience running something in society or developing some product & that could see the forest thru the trees.
     
  7. Lg2000

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    We need an age restriction. 70-80 year olds running things is nonsense.
    Any other profession and they would have been retired long ago. It's ridiculous how old these guys running for president are.
    Also should have to have some experience in politics .
     
  8. jacks

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    I often wonder if we wouldn't be better off if the President was just picked at random. You could have some criteria like age 25 to 65, not certifiably crazy and willing to do it. Then put those 50 million names in hat and draw one!
     
  9. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

    CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN I'm praying for my dad to get well.

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    I prefer someone that has a good resume. I'm not sure what's to old. I did think John McCain was to old. When he ran for president. But he would have live through the eight years. Of course he choose Sara Palin. What a joke. Younger minds should understand what young people should need.
    This isn't true at all. I know many people, that worked in their 70's plus.
     
  10. Lg2000

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    70 percent of the workforce retire by 66 so yeah. 80 plus percent retire by 70.
    The sample size of people you know is small. Most powerful person in our country shouldnt be these 70 plus year old guys.. We need to do better
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2021
  11. JackRT

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    Politics, particularly at the federal level, has become a rich man's game. Even a moderately well-to-do person still requires the strong support of the rich and/or powerful to have any hope of breaking into the political establishment. Being rich and powerful is no guarantee of intelligence, mental stability, good character or common sense. The past four years have made that quite clear. We need a better way of choosing our leadership.
     
  12. Guinan

    Guinan Live long and prosper.

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    Age discrimination is illegal. And promoting, endorsing and/or enforcing ageism is as unacceptable as promoting, endorsing and/or enforcing discrimination based on a person's skin color or their gender.
     
  13. JackRT

    JackRT Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Age discrimination is written into the constitution in that a president must be over 40. Many other laws as well.
     
  14. Lg2000

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    yes sir.

    Lots of jobs have age restrictions/ discrimination. These old guys should be in retirement homes/ retired , not running the country.
     
  15. Pommer

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    35 but the point stands.
     
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  16. MorkandMindy

    MorkandMindy Senior Veteran Supporter

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    As the Gilens and Page study proved - a government of the rich by the rich and for the rich.

    we get a last chance to maybe push the balance in the direction of the one we think will do the least damage
     
  17. Richard T

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    Groups generally pick the President. These are the wealthy and elite who throw their weight along with the media to get candidates in both parties they like. Sometimes a great candidate can try to jump over these hurdles. The response frm the elite is to derail them. They harp on their weaknesses, or create some negative buzz about them, even if it is lies. Parties also controlled by the elite, change rules and cheat candidates they do not like. Proof of this is easy. Look at what happened with Howard Dean, Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, Hermann Cain. I am sure there were others. All had some momentum but were cast aside by a combination of money, rules, or the media. Trump was the lone outsider that beat the system because he could go right to the people and had money already. They tried to marginalize him, and tried to remove him, even before he was the official candidate, and later to impeach him. His biggest mistake was hiring all those insiders, people that seemed to be for him, but many later turned on him. So we are back to a true company man. It will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years. If Trump were younger I would say he could prepare for four years and make a comeback, having solid, concrete ideas to implement like Gingrich's "contract with America." Maybe he can still do this. I suppose others outsiders could step up, but you will never see a poor outsider do this. Perhaps a Mark Cuban, or someone like that if they are not subsumed by the elite.

    This absorption into the elite is quite common and normally would take place once a person shows promise in politics. Marco Rubio started as a Tea party candidate and now is basically a typical Republican. Elizabeth Warren is similar on the democratic side. They realize the necessity of this if they are to go anywhere.

    There are some that say it is better this way. The french term noblesse oblige is often taught, meaning the rich and powerful offer goodwill to the less fortunate. This seems rare to me though. They might pretend but they often only care for their own agenda though they may disguise it as help to others.
     
  18. JohnDB

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    It's a lot of trouble to be in charge.

    It's more beneficial to just have a quiet life. Only the egomaniacs want to be president anymore...the thought of helping your country be a better place has gone out the window.
    Men of industry would rather pull the strings of a president than actually be one.

    When you are president everyone is staring at you and wagging their finger at you simply because of the political party you are a member of. Nevermind the truth of the things you do...that part isn't relevant.

    Hindsight is 20/20... foresight isn't quite so good. And the media (hacks with nothing better to do than invent problems if nothing else is wrong) is what drives the agenda.

    Next thing you know we will be all sweating the duck billed platypus' mating cycle. And of course it will all be the President's fault.
     
  19. Aryeh Jay

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    It has always been a rich man's game...
     
  20. Albion

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    When is the last time that we elected someone who wasn't a college graduate?

    Indeed, when was the last time that we elected someone who wasn't a graduate of an IVY LEAGUE university? That takes us back to before the births of many, if not most, CF members.

    Maybe the problem is that we DO choose these people.
     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2021
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