This is what I mean----He always existed--but He is the product of the heavenly Father and the heavenly mother---You want it both ways so you can say "We believe what you do"---but that little twist is not what we believe and you try to downplay that.
We have our cake and eat it too because we reject the idea of something from nothing.
This is what we know;
D&C 88 (See 1John 1:5, )
11 And the light which shineth, which giveth you light, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which is the same light that quickeneth your understandings;
12 Which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space—
13 The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things,
D&C 93 (see John 1:4-5)
29 Man was also in the beginning with God.
Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
31 Behold, here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light. (see John 3:17-21)
32 And every man whose spirit receiveth not the light is under condemnation.
33 For man is spirit.
The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
Abraham 3
22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;.....And there stood one among them that was like unto God,..." (John1:1)
In the D&C passages he uses Intelligence and 'light of truth' with a play on words. One of the uncreated elements of the universe is light and God is light. He fills the universe giving life to all living things. Intelligences seem to be made up of this light but also seems to have some darkness in there too,
except for a few who have no darkness; " God is light, and in him is no darkness at all"
The Intelligence has a personality and will of it's own however God with his eternal love sees that these other intelligences have potential to become as he is.
"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light." Matt 6
He takes these intelligences and clothes them in spirit matter, making him the Father of Spirits. We do not know how this is done. Is a spirit birthed just as are mortal bodies are, WE DO NOT KNOW!
We do know that Jesus is called "the firstborn" and from that there are some assumptions and speculations made.
Yahweh/Jesus was one of these eternal intelligences within whom there is no darkness at all, he was eternally righteous. God the Father chose him to be "the beginning" of His creations (Rev 3:14) . His eternal intelligence was placed within spirit matter and he became Yahweh.
So Yahweh/Jesus always existed yet there was a point where he became 'the firstborn'.
Now in 2Cor 5 Paul seems to agree with us.
1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle (our mortal bodies) were dissolved, we have a building of God,(our spirits) an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Note the spirit is eternal in the heavens and that it too is called a house. A house houses something! To us it is the eternal and uncreated intelligence of light.
