How Did Life Arise? Fuel Cells May Have Answers

[mzungu]

Just in from NASA's JPL. This is very interesting news indeed: How Did Life Arise? Fuel Cells May Have Answers - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory

 

[Michael]

Just in from NASA's JPL. This is very interesting news indeed: How Did Life Arise? Fuel Cells May Have Answers - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Very cool article. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the first forms of live arose as a result of, and/or in the presence of, the flow of current.

 

[AV1611VET]

Very cool article. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the first forms of live arose as a result of, and/or in the presence of, the flow of current.

In your opinion, which came first? the earth or angels?

 

[Old Ned]

In your opinion, which came first? the earth or angels?

Angels! Obviously, Angles were God's labourers, they got the plans from him and started work, it's because of these angels that we.... Oh wait... no, sorry... Earth

 

[Dizredux]

In your opinion, which came first? the earth or angels?

A turtle of course. It provides the foundation for the elephants that hold up the world.


Dizredux

 

[Old Ned]

A turtle of course. It provides the foundation for the elephants that hold up the world.


Dizredux

Now you're just being silly, everyone knows that Turtles and Elephants don't get along.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now you're just being silly, everyone knows that Turtles and Elephants don't get along.

That is because the elephants are always standing on them.

 

[mzungu]

In your opinion, which came first? the earth or angels?

If I reply "The Earth"then I will be admitting that angels exist. So the question does not stand. There was no "first". The earth was formed with the solar system.

 

[AV1611VET]

If I reply "The Earth"then I will be admitting that angels exist.

Then reply "angels" first.

You would be correct.

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Look at it this way:

If you say "angels," then you can admit that the earth exists.

We have a cute way of putting all of this:

"Aim for Earth, get Earth; aim for Heaven, get both."

 

[Michael]

Then reply "angels" first.

You would be correct.

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Look at it this way:

If you say "angels," then you can admit that the earth exists.

We have a cute way of putting all of this:

"Aim for Earth, get Earth; aim for Heaven, get both."

Let's put it this way AV....

If the universe is in fact ancient (and it is), and the Earth is a relatively "recent" creation (which it is), then angels may have "evolved" both spiritual and physically, *long* before the Earth even came to exist, or even contained it's first drop of water.

 

[AV1611VET]

Let's put it this way AV....

If the universe is in fact ancient (and it is), and the Earth is a relatively "recent" creation (which it is), then angels may have "evolved" both spiritual and physically, *long* before the Earth even came to exist, or even contained it's first drop of water.

Fair enough ... I can make evolution even harder.

Which came first? God or abiogenesis?

 

[Michael]

Fair enough ... I can make evolution even harder.

Which came first? God or abiogenesis?

Maybe both at the same time.

 

[Strathos]

Let's put it this way AV....

If the universe is in fact ancient (and it is), and the Earth is a relatively "recent" creation (which it is), then angels may have "evolved" both spiritual and physically, *long* before the Earth even came to exist, or even contained it's first drop of water.

Well as angels are spiritual beings who (excepting rare cases) do not have material bodies or reproduce, they would not evolve.

Fair enough ... I can make evolution even harder.

Which came first? God or abiogenesis?

God.

Abiogenesis was planned by God.

 

[AV1611VET]

God.

By, "God," do you mean the First Person of the Godhead ... or NASA?

 

[Strathos]

I mean God the Father, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and, as much as you hate to hear it, YHWH.

 

[Michael]

Well as angels are spiritual beings who (excepting rare cases) do not have material bodies or reproduce, they would not evolve.

Perhaps they've simply evolved in other forms on other planets, have achieved their 'perfection', and no longer require "form" as we understand it. I liked Penrose's concept of soul. They may indeed have a 'physical form', albeit one that resonates far beyond our concept of the energy spectrum as we understand it.

God.

Abiogenesis was planned by God.

FYI, I would absolutely agree with you that microscopic abiogenesis based life as we understand it was definitely planned by God.

[SIZE=-1]DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.[/SIZE]

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For all I know the whole universe as we understand it is but a holographic projection of reality.

Simulations back up theory that Universe is a hologram : Nature News & Comment

 

[mzungu]

AV, whenever a question contains the phrase "which came first" then one is to assume that the one being questioned believes that what are in the question actually exist and or believes in them.
For example:

Which came first; the chicken or the egg? (is a valid question to all since both chickens and eggs exist)

Which came first; God or the Holly spirit? (is only a valid question to someone who believes in God and the /holly spirit)

Which came first; God or Abiogenesis? (is not a valid question for one who does not believe in either of the two. This is only a valid question if one believes in both.)

Which came first; The Earth or Angels? (is not a valid question to someone who does not believe angels exist.)

Now you see why I cannot answer your Earth or angels question? You should rephrase your question to:

Do you believe in angels and IF you do then which do you believe came first.....

 

[Smidlee]

I love this article as it reminds me of this video:
Evolution for Intellectuals, by R. David Pogge - YouTube
"It's alive"

 

[AV1611VET]

I love this article as it reminds me of this video:

... "Frankencell" -- that's funny!

 

[Strathos]

Also a massive strawman argument, but since when have you ever cared about that?