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How Could God Send Those he Loves to Hell?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Tolkien R.R.J, Jan 11, 2019 at 6:02 PM.

  1. Tolkien R.R.J

    Tolkien R.R.J Well-Known Member

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    How Could God Send Those he Loves to Hell?

    God sends no one to hell, people chose by free will separation from him 2 Thessalonians 1.9. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels not for humans Matthew 25.4. Haven was prepared for man Matthew 25.34. There are also various degrees of punishment in hell Matt 11 22-24 Romans 2.6.

    Okay, for the sake of argument, let’s pretend that it is really mean of God to punish people for rebellion and unbelief. For the sake of argument, let’s say that everyone does go to Heaven, regardless of their status in the Book of Life. Wouldn’t it be horribly unfair for God to condemn people who hate Him to an eternity in His presence, whether they like it or not? Heaven wouldn’t be pleasant for those who hate God, because Heaven is the place where we will fully experience God’s presence. Those who love God look forward to Heaven with longing, but Heaven would be nearly as bad as Hell for the unbeliever, because the unregenerate heart hates God.
    -Lita Cosner Do creationist really hate science?


    So in a sense, Hell is God finally giving the unbeliever what he wanted all along. But the absence of God means the absence of everything good, since everything good comes from Him. As C.S. Lewis has written: "There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.' All that are in Hell choose it."

    When unbelieving critics talk about Hell, they sometimes speak like it will be full of innocent people (like themselves!). However, the Bible doesn’t indicate that innocent people will spend a single moment in Hell. Rather, Hell is God’s answer to the fundamental injustice of this life. There are many murderers, rapists, and other people who wreak havoc in the lives of others, who never experience judgment in this life. Everyone knows that it is wrong that these people never be brought to account for what they’ve done; something in the human heart demands justice. And Hell is God’s answer.
    -Lita Cosner Why would a Loving god Send people to Hell Creation.com


    Randy Alcorn writes:

    Without Hell, justice would never overtake the unrepentant tyrants responsible for murdering millions. Perpetrators of evil throughout the ages would get away with murder—and rape, and torture, and every evil. Even if we may acknowledge Hell as a necessary and just punishment for evildoers, however, we rarely see ourselves as worthy of Hell.”

    There is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one”
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    Romans 3:10–12

    It’s hard to accept that we deserve punishment. But most people have grievances against others—if someone stole from you, or hurt your children, or if you were a victim of something fundamentally unjust, you would want justice; your sense of what is right would demand that the person at fault pay a penalty for wronging you. Every time we break God’s law, that’s an affront to God, and He demands justice, just as we do imperfectly on a smaller scale. If you’ve ever said in your heart, “That person should pay for what he did!” then you fundamentally agree with the idea of Hell, because the doctrine of Hell says somebody is going to pay for every sin, eventually. But the person who goes to Hell must reject Christ, who died so that anyone who repents can be saved. So God is not to be blamed when an unrepentant, rebellious creature chooses a destructive path that leads to Hell.

    It is not gods fault that many will reject him, his offer is still fair and loving as hell was never meant for man.

    Man chooses to go there and that choice has nothing to do with gods love or fairness, but mans free will. What of the people who do accept him? Should he not have made them because of those that chose life without god?

    The demand that God should forgive such a man while he remains what he is, is based on a confusion between condoning and forgiving. To condone an evil is simply to ignore it, to treat it as if it were good. But forgiveness needs to be accepted as well as offered if it is to be complete: a man who admits no guilt can accept no forgiveness.”
    -C.S Lewis, The Problem of Pain



    Must There be a Hell?

    God has to judge sin to be just. If he allowed us to do whatever sin we wanted there would never be a heaven or paradise, it would really be no different than it is now. To live eternally in today's fallen world would in some ways be a form of eternal hell. What of people who are tortured? Would they prefer an eternal life here on earth? What of those with diseases? What if Hitler and the Nazis could live eternally? If there were no heaven or hell, than there would be no eternal consequences for any individual and mankind could act in any way they wanted. It would turn into a hell on earth. Mankind would live eternally separated from god on earth. That is in part why when believers die it is precious in the lords sight [psalm 116.15] because they enter into a true relationship with him with no sin or separation. Also when believers die they are taken from an evil [fallen] world.

    The righteous perishes, And no man takes it to heart; Merciful men are taken away, While no one considers That the righteous is taken away from evil.
    -Isaiah. 57:1


    Is hell literal fire?

    Hell was prepared for devil and his angels Matthew 25.41, they are spiritual beings unaffected by physical fire. Hell is described as dark with flames Matthew 8.12, fire if literal would cancel each other out. Fire is a picture of judgment, in Deuteronomy 9 and other places, it says God goes before Israel as a consuming fire, it means judgment. He judges Canaan, yet never burns them or cause fire. The fire of his judgment was not literal fire, but his judgment.

    Eternity?

    We live in time, time itself is a created thing, so in eternity its not like time passes by forever. we will be outside of time in eternity, something very hard to understand and grasp.


    Why did God not create a world were all would be saved?

    I think a part of a William lane Craig's debate might help.

    “Suppose that God could create a world in which everyone is freely saved, but there is only one problem: all such worlds have only one person in them! Does God's being all-loving compel Him to prefer one of these underpopulated worlds over a world in which multitudes are saved, even though some people freely go to hell? I don't think so. God's being all-loving implies that in any world He creates He desires and strives for the salvation of every person in that world. But people who would freely reject God's every effort to save them shouldn't be allowed to have some sort of veto power over what worlds God is free to create. Why should the joy and the blessedness of those who would freely accept God's salvation be precluded because of those who would stubbornly and freely reject it? It seems to me that God's being all-loving would at the very most require Him to create a world having an optimal balance between saved and lost, a world where as many as possible freely accept salvation and as few as possible freely reject it.”

    But to add onto that, god allows things to happen even though he knows the future. So for example, god punishes certain people for there crimes, yet he waits until the crime is committed. He could punish right off [a murderer] and not allow it to happen. Yet he first allows it and than gives consequence. Same with salvation, he tries to draw near to people who he knows will reject him, Jesus dies for all sinners not just those that would receive him etc


    What was the purpose of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

    Some say that a lot of trouble could have been avoided if God had just left the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil out of the Garden. But this misunderstands the vital function of the Tree. The other commands God gave Adam and Eve were fairly self-explanatory and had pleasant outcomes for them, but what was the purpose of the command not to eat from the Tree? It may seem surprising, but God had a loving purpose in putting the Tree in the Garden.

    God created human beings to be in a relationship with Him. But a true loving relationship has to be freely given or chosen—one could program a robot to think it loves its programmer, but that would be meaningless because the robot didn’t have a choice. God wanted human beings to love Him freely, for who He is, not just for what He had given and provided for them. But that required the chance to not love Him, to rebel. The function of the Tree was to give Adam a chance to obey or rebel, and Adam chose to eat the fruit and to rebel against God.

    There were two pivotal times in history when God freely gave and made a way that mankind could choose to have a relationship with Him, the Creation and the Incarnation. This also highlights why the battle of Creation is so important. The Fall from grace in the original Creation should help us understand our plight in this sin cursed world, and make it that much easier to recognize what God has done through Jesus.
    -Litna Cosner Would Loving God Send people to Hell?

    Degrees of Punishment in Hell

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  2. Oscarr

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    The bottom line is that because Adam rebelled against God and lost his standing with Him and his immortality, death came into the world and blighted everything, including mankind.

    This meant that all mankind became condemned, not because God wanted it that way, but it was the consequence of Adam's failure to obey God.

    So, mankind is condemned already, and God would be totally righteous and just to keep it that way. His love has nothing to do with it. A judge may have loving feelings toward a convicted murderer, but no matter how he loved the man, the judge would have to pass sentence upon him, even the death sentence if that was the law. The judge would be unjust if he allowed his personal love for the murderer to overrule justice.

    God loves the world, no doubt about that; but He cannot put love against justice. Man rebelled against Him, therefore in the interests of justice, man is condemned. Satan rebelled against God and is also condemned through the justice of God. But the difference is that Adam and Eve were deceived, while Satan did it out of the evil intent of his heart. This is why Satan will never receive 'saving faith' to enable him to repent and be saved.

    So, in the justice of God, someone has to be punished for sin. If there is someone to take the punishment for the sin of mankind, then God's justice would be satisfied; but there is no one, because condemned sinners have to be punished for their own sin and so they already have the death penalty, and a person cannot be executed twice.

    So the person who is to be the sacrifice had to be someone who is not condemned for their own sin.

    So God, in order to exercise His love for the world, and satisfy His justice at the same time, He sent His only Son to be the sinless sacrifice for the sins of the world. How this works is that God is now able to give "saving faith" to all those who put their trust in the sacrifice of His Son on the cross.

    The reality is that God has the exclusive choice of who He decides to save, and who to pass over. He is not being unrighteous or unjust in this, because mankind is already under the sentence of death through His righteous justice.

    This is the wonder that we should have if we are truly converted to Christ - that God chose us, and not the other person. The mystery of why He chooses one person and not another remains a mystery that has not been revealed to us.

    But I know that if I have understood the gospel, taken hold of the promises of God for my salvation, and trusted in Christ to save me, then I discover that I was chosen by God for salvation. Wouldn't that make me just be so thankful to the Lord that I would want to give my life to Him and be faithful to Him always?
     
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