How comes Catholics Bless Mary?

[Linet Kihonge]

I'm sorry I have never really understood why

"Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

Why Theotokos and not Christokos yet She only Carried Jesus and not God the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit? Even if Jesus is God she was only given the honor to Carry God the Son.

Why "Holy"

 

[Armoured]

I'm sorry I have never really understood why

"Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

Why Theotokos and not Christokos yet She only Carried Jesus and not God the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit? Even if Jesus is God she was only given the honor to Carry God the Son.

Why "Holy"

It's an acknowledgement that she is blessed. We aren't blessing her. It's a request that she pray for us. Nothing more.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

It's an acknowledgement that she is blessed. We aren't blessing her. It's a request that she pray for us. Nothing more.

How comes you ask her? I'm just having trouble putting two and two together.

I'm not doing this to place anyone on the defense I just want to clear up my personal views on the same. So do you think she's somewhere in heaven receiving all the prayer requests of the saints? If so, who in heaven receives prayer requests departed saints/Lord's servants or his angels or the Holy Spirit?

 

[Armoured]

How comes you ask her? I'm just having trouble putting two and two together.

I'm not doing this to place anyone on the defense I just want to clear up my personal views on the same. So do you think she's somewhere in heaven receiving all the prayer requests of the saints? If so, who in heaven receives prayer requests departed saints/Lord's servants or his angels or the Holy Spirit?

I guess the theory is it's like a large corporation. Saints deal with most of the incomming calls. The great saints, your Marys, Peters, Jameses and so on deal with the trickier stuff, and the really serious stuff goes to God.

A lot of it's tradition. Even if Saints don't actually take part in the prayer process, I'm sure an omniscient and benevolent God can make sense of our flawed, but well intentioned practices.

 

[JoeP222w]

Because they elevate Mary beyond what even she would ever accept and they are following the traditions of man over the word of God.

 

[Armoured]

Because they elevate Mary beyond what even she would ever accept and they are following the traditions of man over the word of God.

No we don't, but thanks for playing.

 

[Rick Otto]

It's an acknowledgement that she is blessed. We aren't blessing her. It's a request that she pray for us. Nothing more.

Sounds defensive.

 

[Rick Otto]

No we don't, but thanks for playing.

Yes you do, and thanks for the game.

 

[Rick Otto]

I guess the theory is it's like a large corporation. Saints deal with most of the incomming calls. The great saints, your Marys, Peters, Jameses and so on deal with the trickier stuff, and the really serious stuff goes to God.

A lot of it's tradition. Even if Saints don't actually take part in the prayer process, I'm sure an omniscient and benevolent God can make sense of our flawed, but well intentioned practices.

Oh, it's just a theory. Didn't realize...

 

[Armoured]

Yes you do, and thanks for the game.

Oh, great, I'll let a non-Catholic tell me about what I, as a Catholic, believe and practice. Thanks.

 

[concretecamper]

I'm sorry I have never really understood why

"Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

Why Theotokos and not Christokos yet She only Carried Jesus and not God the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit? Even if Jesus is God she was only given the honor to Carry God the Son.

Why "Holy"

http://www.drcm.org/divine-call-archive/566-is-the-hail-mary-prayer-biblical

 

[Linet Kihonge]

http://www.drcm.org/divine-call-archive/566-is-the-hail-mary-prayer-biblical

Pray for us sinners: Isn't consistent with what I read in the scriptures.

Philippians 4:6,7, "Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

Ephesians 6:18, "And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord's people." (I would like to believe it's believers praying for other believers around the world in their present times).

Daniel 9:17, "Now, our God, hear the prayers and petitions of your servant. For your sake, Lord, look with favor on your desolate sanctuary."

All these people never asked anyone to present their requests to God but instead asked (asked others to present) their requests to God directly. Even though none of us are deserving of the LORD's presence we can always go before the LORD with 100% acknowledgement on the same.

If the Lord never died for our sins we would have used lambs etc. but he came so that man would be free and free indeed. His blood covered our sins and with Hebrews 8 we can confidently present our prayers and petitions to the Most High King.

My concern for most Catholics are these little bridges they've built to access God (not saying it's wrong acknowledge the saints) but approaching God doesn't demand the kind of acknowledgment you've given to the departed ones.

 

[Armoured]

Pray for us sinners: Isn't consistent with what I read in the scriptures.

Philippians 4:6,7, "Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

Ephesians 6:18, "And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord's people." (I would like to believe it's believers praying for other believers around the world in their present times).

Daniel 9:17, "Now, our God, hear the prayers and petitions of your servant. For your sake, Lord, look with favor on your desolate sanctuary."

All these people never asked anyone to present their requests to God but instead asked (asked others to present) their requests to God directly. Even though none of us are deserving of the LORD's presence we can always go before the LORD with 100% acknowledgement on the same.

If the Lord never died for our sins we would have used lambs etc. but he came so that man would be free and free indeed. His blood covered our sins and with Hebrews 8 we can confidently present our prayers and petitions to the Most High King.

My concern for most Catholics are these little bridges they've built to access God (not saying it's wrong acknowledge the saints) but approaching God doesn't demand the kind of acknowledgment you've given to the departed ones.

Great. Don't be Catholic then. End of problem.

 

[concretecamper]

My concern for most Catholics are these little bridges they've built to access God (not saying it's wrong acknowledge the saints) but approaching God doesn't demand the kind of acknowledgment you've given to the departed ones.

Thank you for your concern but I'll be just fine.

The "little bridge" term you use is your term and does not reflect Catholic teaching. Maybe there is your misunderstanding.

 

[Rick Otto]

Oh, great, I'll let a non-Catholic tell me about what I, as a Catholic, believe and practice. Thanks.

I was born and raised Catholics so you can't fool me.
You are entirely non-catholic welcome.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Thank you for your concern but I'll be just fine.

The "little bridge" term you use is your term and does not reflect Catholic teaching. Maybe there is your misunderstanding.

Okay... I will accept the accusation (misunderstanding) so how comes Catholics make prayer requests to departed saints?

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Great. Don't be Catholic then. End of problem.

I have never been your enemy. I'm just trying to make connections between your faith and the role of saints in your faith.

 

[Rick Otto]

How comes Catholics Bless Mary?

Because if mom's not happy, nobody's happy!

 

[Rick Otto]

Great. Don't be Catholic then. End of problem.

That's how I ended all the problems it was causing me.
And may I remark how charitable it is of you to overcome your devotion to the Great Commission to show some compassion and accommodate this person.

 

[concretecamper]

Okay... I will accept the accusation (misunderstanding)

I was not accusing you, just correcting your misunderstanding.

so how comes Catholics make prayer requests to departed saints?

one of many reasons: because of St. James tells us (it WAS in the link I provided) that prayers of the righteous are very powerful. I know there are many who say the dead people cannot hear your prayers. Well, if someone is baptized, they are incorporated into Christ's body. So all baptized people are connected to each other through Jesus Christ. Our physical death does not cut that tie.