How come good Friday is only two days from Easter Sunday?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Because it was the 1st day of ULB and also a weekly Sabbath, the 15th. The day of preparation was on Friday the 14th.

<<it was the 1st day of ULB>> correct. "It was the Preparation ('Friday') ... on the Sabbath That Selfsame Day great day sabbath" of the passover, beginning! John 19:31.
Mid-afternoon "That Day the Preparation ending mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing" Luke 23:54, "they laid his body due to the preparations of the Jews" beginning John 19:42 mid-afternoon before the Sabbath.

The Preparation ('Friday') was the yearly passover-sabbath, the 15th. The day after was the Sabbath on the 16th; and the day before was "the Preparation-of-the-PASSOVER" and Crucifixion-day (on 'Thursday') the 14th.

Why?! Of course the quibbling will never end because .... BECAUSE OF Jesus' day of BURIAL "That Day the Selfsame WHOLE DAY BONE DAY" of the Passover-of-Yahweh and NOT A FEW MINUTES PINCHED OFF the day of Jesus' Crucifixion.

There's your whole CRUX-of the matter BONE-of-contention SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE solution to the whole and bone of the three days and three nights 'problem'.

 

[Jan001]

I found this site which explains it very well:
Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday: How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Not to mention that many of our holidays that we believe to be religious, are actually a melting pot of pagan and religious days of celebration.



Here are some of the important snips from the website....


Most theologians and religious scholars try to work around it by arguing that any part of a day or night counts as a day or night. Thus, they say, the final few minutes of that Friday afternoon were the first day, all day Saturday was the second day, and the first few minutes of Sunday morning were the third day.

The trouble is, it doesn’t work. This only adds up to three days and two nights, not three days and three nights.

Also, John 20:1 tells us that “on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.”

Did you catch the problem here? John tells us it was still dark when Mary went to the tomb on Sunday morning and found it empty. Jesus was already resurrected well before daybreak. Thus He wasn’t in the tomb any of the daylight portion of Sunday, so none of that can be counted as a day.


Several computer software programs exist that enable us to calculate when the Passover and God’s other festivals fall in any given year. Those programs show that in A.D. 31, the year of these events, the Passover meal was eaten on Tuesday night and Wednesday sundown marked the beginning of the “high day,” the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.


Jesus, then, was crucified and entombed on a Wednesday afternoon, not on Friday.

Here is the Passover dates for 2017 that show that Good Friday is not the day we think.

Erev Pesach (Passover Eve) - April 11st at sundown

Pesach (Passover) - April 12nd

Feast of Unleavened Bread - April 13rd (High Sabbath)

Many people now calculate that the day Jesus died was April 3, 33 A.D. Pilate and Sejanus | The Star of Bethlehem

FYI: Pagan holidays have nothing to do with Christian holidays.

I celebrate what I call "Easter Sunday" to be "Jesus' Resurrection Day". "Easter" is an English word only. So to try to convince all of the Christians in the whole world, especially those whose language in not English, that their celebration of their Lord's Resurrection Sunday is but a celebration of a pagan holiday is ludicrous. Christians KNOW what they are celebrating; they are celebrating only their Lord's Resurrection from the dead on Easter/Resurrection Sunday.

We Christians celebrate Christmas Day, December 25th, as the anniversary of our Lord's birth. That is why it is called "CHRIST"mas Day. This day is named after the "Mass" that is celebrated on the anniversary of "CHRIST's birthday every year.

If you want to celebrate some other god's supposed anniversary of his birth or coronation or whatever on this same day, December 25th, you are free to do so.

Likewise, if your birthday anniversary is on the same day as some pagan god's or goddess' supposed birthday anniversary, you are free to celebrate just your own birthday anniversary on this day, or you can celebrate yours AND theirs. Your choice!

For someone to claim that Christians like me are celebrating any other god's birth or other god's special occasions on Christmas Day, December 25th is speaking falsely. We Christians celebrate only the birth of our Lord and God Jesus Christ on Christmas Day.

For someone to claim that Christians like me are celebrating any other feast other than our Lord's Resurrection Day on Easter Sunday, Resurrection Sunday is speaking falsely. We Christians celebrate only the Resurrection of our Lord and God Jesus Christ on this day.

My friend's birthday anniversary is on December 25th, so I choose to celebrate both our Lord's birthday anniversary and my good friend's birthday anniversary on December 25th!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Explain to me how buried Friday and risen before Sunday morning allows Christ to be in the heart of the earth for Three nights and three days. I count one day and two nights at the most.

Where am I missing something?

Yes, you miss out to see the difference between for <<Christ to be in the heart of the earth for Three nights and three days>> and for Christ to be in the earth in the grave for from "mid-afternoon the Preparation the Sabbath nearing" until "mid-afternoon Sabbath the First Day of the week nearing".

 

[Ken Rank]

[Staff love].
There has been a lot of reactionary theology within both Christianity AND Judaism. The Christians passed decrees like "do not eat the food of the Jews" or "do not keep the Sabbath of the Jews." (Of course, by the time of the latter decree, the majority of Christianity was keeping Sunday) These are just two of a number of decrees passed by Christians for the sole purpose of not appearing too "Jewish" in the faith. But this wasn't one sided, there are decisions within Judaism that are designed to distance them from us. Can you find a kippot in Torah? No... but you can find Paul saying not to cover your head! (He was dealing with AUTHORITY and not a head covering in that part of his letter but still....) Another is certain translations... if you read Hebrew then go read Isaiah 9:6 in Hebrew and then go look at the Art Scroll Tanach translation they have given us. And the topic at hand... when you read Leviticus 23:15 you find haShabbat ( הַשַּׁבָּת ) .... "the Sabbath" and not haShabbaton ( שַׁבָּתֹו ) like in Leviticus 23:24 which denotes a High Sabbath. Thus, the counting toward Shavuot (Pentecost) begins the day after "the Sabbath" the weekly Sabbath, which means Shavuot will "always" be on a Sunday. The Orthodox do NOT count from the weekly Sabbath and don't end on the day of the week that the tomb was found empty.

These are all 1500-1800 year old decisions... we have been raised to not know any different.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

when they killed the Passover is ... the 14th day of the month ... then you have (the) Sabbath after the crucifixion.

Who says the day after the Crucifixion must be the Sabbath (weekly)? Not the Gospel story! Also not the passover story!

 

[Ken Rank]

Who says the day after the Crucifixion must be the Sabbath (weekly)? Not the Gospel story! Also not the passover story!

Exactly.... he died on Nisan 14 which is the day of Passover... Nisan 15 is a High Sabbath and thus them having to get him down from the cross/stake/tree before "Sabbath" was because at sundown it was a High Sabbath, not a weekly Sabbath!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Sorry, but buried Friday and Risen by Sunday before sun up............not three days and three nights

Sorry, but Crucified Thursday Buried Friday makes Resurrected "on the Sabbath" = three days and three nights; and Risen by Sunday Appearing by sun up............four days.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

and thus them having to get him down from the cross/stake/tree before "Sabbath"

That is where we differ; spot on!
Therefore it is written: "If you hanged a dead man on a tree he shall NOT HANG ALL NIGHT, but you shall take him down before sun-up and THAT-SELFSAME-WHOLE-DAY-BONE-DAY BURY him." And here, we could have added, ...before sundown. But not at the beginning, before the start of the night he hanged.

 

[prodromos]

The confusion with your figuring is that there are two Sabbaths at this time. The article I posted a link to describes this in a simple but understandable way.

It is all quite clear:

Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday: How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Jesus, then, was crucified and entombed on a Wednesday afternoon, not on Friday.

Can we find further proof of this in the Gospels? Yes, indeed we can!


Let’s turn to a seldom-noticed detail in Mark 16:1: “Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.”


In that time, if the body of a loved one was placed in a tomb rather than being buried directly in the ground, friends and family would commonly place aromatic spices in the tomb alongside the body to reduce the smell as the remains decayed.


Since Jesus’ body was placed in the tomb just before that high-day Sabbath began, the women had no time to buy those spices before the Sabbath. Also, they could not have purchased them on the Sabbath day, as shops were closed. Thus, Mark says, they bought the spices after the Sabbath— “when the Sabbath was past.”


But notice another revealing detail in Luke 23:55-56: “And the women who had come with [Christ] from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.”


Do you see a problem here? Mark clearly states that the women bought the spices after the Sabbath—”when the Sabbath was past.” Luke tells us that the women prepared the spices and fragrant oils, after which “they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.”

So they bought the spices after the Sabbath, and then they prepared the spices before resting on the Sabbath. This is a clear contradiction between these two Gospel accounts—unless two Sabbaths were involved!

By comparing details in both accounts, we can clearly see that two different Sabbaths are mentioned along with a workday in between. The first Sabbath was a “high day”—the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which fell on a Thursday. The second was the weekly seventh-day Sabbath.

The Greek doesn't actually state they bought the spices after the Sabbath, only that they had bought spices. There is no 2nd Sabbath in the week of the crucifixion and as I have stated before there is no such thing as a high Sabbath. John calls that Sabbath a high day because a Holy Convocation fell on the Sabbath.

 

[Dwight55]

This is an easy one, . . . the Catholics got it wrong. They are the ones who have steadfastly held that He was crucified on Friday.

He was crucified on Thursday, buried by Joseph and Niccodemus on Friday, . . . arose on Sunday.

Cite all the Greek, Aramaic, Talmud, and Josephus you want to . . . it is plain as the dirt on the ground, . . . simply go to Mark 11, He enters Jerusalem on the 1st day of the week, . . . Sunday, . . . and the whole thing is laid out day for day in the remaining part of Mark.

He was crucified on Thursday, . . . plain, simple, easy, and correct.

May God bless,
Dwight

 

[AFrazier]

Exactly.... he died on Nisan 14 which is the day of Passover... Nisan 15 is a High Sabbath and thus them having to get him down from the cross/stake/tree before "Sabbath" was because at sundown it was a High Sabbath, not a weekly Sabbath!

He ate the Passover at the Last Supper according to Matthew, Luke and Mark. That makes his death on the 15th.

 

[AFrazier]

The Greek doesn't actually state they bought the spices after the Sabbath, only that they had bought spices. There is no 2nd Sabbath in the week of the crucifixion and as I have stated before there is no such thing as a high Sabbath. John calls that Sabbath a high day because a Holy Convocation fell on the Sabbath.

Technically, it's aorist, active, indicative, or simple past tense. "Had bought" is past perfect. The real argument here is that Luke doesn't say they bought spices, only that they prepared them. They could have prepared some, then realized they needed others when it was too late to purchase them, or what have you. And as I believe you once argued on another thread, there were at least five women involved that we can count between Mark and Luke. Who's to say who prepared what, who bought what, if they were working together, if they split their efforts, etc.? Perhaps the direct family began preparing right away, while others took on the task of purchasing other things needed.

But the argument is a non-starter from the get-go, because Jesus was crucified on the 15th, which leaves only one Sabbath to satisfy the gospel accounts.

 

[AFrazier]

Who says the day after the Crucifixion must be the Sabbath (weekly)? Not the Gospel story! Also not the passover story!

If Jesus was crucified on the 15th, which he was, then the day after, which was a Sabbath, can only be the weekly Sabbath, because the next holiday Sabbath was the 21st. Jesus ate the Passover at the Last Supper. This is not a debatable point. The Sabbath was the Saturday Sabbath.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

when you read Leviticus 23:15 you find haShabbat ( הַשַּׁבָּת ) .... "the Sabbath" and not haShabbaton ( שַׁבָּתֹו ) like in Leviticus 23:24 which denotes a High Sabbath. Thus, the counting toward Shavuot (Pentecost) begins the day after "the Sabbath" the weekly Sabbath, which means Shavuot will "always" be on a Sunday.

What do the scholars call it, 'argument from nothing' or something?


What you have observed here is of course correct. The "sabbath" in Leviticus is NOT called a 'shabbath shabbathon'; while the 1st and 10th days of the Seventh Month are.


But the nomenclature, 'High Sabbaths' attributed the 'shabbath shabbathon' is purely a good attempt in English, underscored by the New Testament description in John 19:31 of another "sabbath" than the 'shabbath shabbathon' in the Seventh Month as an "high day" or literally, "great day, of sabbath" -- in this instance the "great-day-of-sabbath-of" the passover.

Now it is of interest that whilst the yearly 'sabbath' of the passover in the First Month is not also called a 'shabbath shabbathon' but is called "This That Selfsame BONE-Day" just like the 1st and 10th days of the Seventh Month are called, the KJV saw fit not to translate the 1st and 10th days of the Seventh Month, "the SELFSAME DAY", but simply "the same day". I find it interesting because I think the translators of the KJV realised the special use of the nomenclature "this That Selfsame Whole Day BONE Day" ['etsem-yom'] for the indistinguishable "three days thick darkness" of the passover's 14th, 15th and 16th days all dated one calendar day, the "fourteenth day of the First Month" in Exodus 12-15.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Explain to me how buried Friday and risen before Sunday morning allows Christ to be in the heart of the earth for Three nights and three days. I count one day and two nights at the most.

Where am I missing something?

I cant because you are stuck on the story of Yonah and do not understand what He meant. Read it again and read who it was meant for...and WHAT was the sign in both stories...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Orthodox do NOT count from the weekly Sabbath and don't end on the day of the week that the tomb was found empty.

Sure we do Ken!!! ;-)

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Because it is wrong. If say your 16th day starts on a Tuesday, are there 7 Tuesday Sabbaths for 50 days? NO. The morrow after the Sabbath is ALWAYS SUNDAY.

No, it's 50 days from the 16th. This is directly from Josephus. I'm not wrong.

"But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them. And while they suppose it proper to honor God, from whom they obtain this plentiful provision, in the first place, they offer the first-fruits of their barley, and that in the manner following: They take a handful of the ears, and dry them, then beat them small, and purge the barley from the bran; they then bring one tenth deal to the altar, to God; and, casting one handful of it upon the fire, they leave the rest for the use of the priest. And after this it is that they may publicly or privately reap their harvest. They also at this participation of the first-fruits of the earth, sacrifice a lamb, as a burnt-offering to God. When a week of weeks has passed over after this sacrifice, (which weeks contain forty and nine days,) on the fiftieth day, which is Pentecost, but is called by the Hebrews Asartha, which signifies Pentecost, they bring to God a loaf, made of wheat flour, of two tenth deals, with leaven; and for sacrifices they bring two lambs; and when they have only presented them to God, they are made ready for supper for the priests; nor is it permitted to leave any thing of them till the day following."

There's another passage as well, and the Talmud speaks about it at length. Whatever tradition you keep in the here and now, in the first century Pentecost was counted from the 16th. It's a fact, not an opinion.[/QUOTE]

Again, you did not answer my question. I don't care ho said what. Torah says on the morrow of the Sabbath. Your 16th can be any day of the week. My question again to you is HOW do you count the 7 Sabbaths when there is not a Sabbath for those weeks other than the weekly 7th day Sabbath...???

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

<<it was the 1st day of ULB>> correct. "It was the Preparation ('Friday') ... on the Sabbath That Selfsame Day great day sabbath" of the passover, beginning! John 19:31.
Mid-afternoon "That Day the Preparation ending mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing" Luke 23:54, "they laid his body due to the preparations of the Jews" beginning John 19:42 mid-afternoon before the Sabbath.

The Preparation ('Friday') was the yearly passover-sabbath, the 15th. The day after was the Sabbath on the 16th; and the day before was "the Preparation-of-the-PASSOVER" and Crucifixion-day (on 'Thursday') the 14th.

Why?! Of course the quibbling will never end because .... BECAUSE OF Jesus' day of BURIAL "That Day the Selfsame WHOLE DAY BONE DAY" of the Passover-of-Yahweh and NOT A FEW MINUTES PINCHED OFF the day of Jesus' Crucifixion.

There's your whole CRUX-of the matter BONE-of-contention SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE solution to the whole and bone of the three days and three nights 'problem'.

We already know He died on the 14th and that was a Friday. Read the eyewitness testimony on the road to Emmaus. THAT day was a Sunday. They said it was the third day since the events occurred and Yeshua was right there and did not correct them. If Sunday was the 3rd day then Saturday the 15th was the 2nd day and Friday was the day those events occurred on the 14th. [Staff edit].

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Many people now calculate that the day Jesus died was April 3, 33 A.D. Pilate and Sejanus | The Star of Bethlehem

FYI: Pagan holidays have nothing to do with Christian holidays.

I celebrate what I call "Easter Sunday" to be "Jesus' Resurrection Day". "Easter" is an English word only. So to try to convince all of the Christians in the whole world, especially those whose language in not English, that their celebration of their Lord's Resurrection Sunday is but a celebration of a pagan holiday is ludicrous. Christians KNOW what they are celebrating; they are celebrating only their Lord's Resurrection from the dead on Easter/Resurrection Sunday.

We Christians celebrate Christmas Day, December 25th, as the anniversary of our Lord's birth. That is why it is called "CHRIST"mas Day. This day is named after the "Mass" that is celebrated on the anniversary of "CHRIST's birthday every year.

If you want to celebrate some other god's supposed anniversary of his birth or coronation or whatever on this same day, December 25th, you are free to do so.

Likewise, if your birthday anniversary is on the same day as some pagan god's or goddess' supposed birthday anniversary, you are free to celebrate just your own birthday anniversary on this day, or you can celebrate yours AND theirs. Your choice!

For someone to claim that Christians like me are celebrating any other god's birth or other god's special occasions on Christmas Day, December 25th is speaking falsely. We Christians celebrate only the birth of our Lord and God Jesus Christ on Christmas Day.

For someone to claim that Christians like me are celebrating any other feast other than our Lord's Resurrection Day on Easter Sunday, Resurrection Sunday is speaking falsely. We Christians celebrate only the Resurrection of our Lord and God Jesus Christ on this day.

My friend's birthday anniversary is on December 25th, so I choose to celebrate both our Lord's birthday anniversary and my good friend's birthday anniversary on December 25th!

Why not call it what it was called originally...Pascha

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

This is an easy one, . . . the Catholics got it wrong. They are the ones who have steadfastly held that He was crucified on Friday.

He was crucified on Thursday, buried by Joseph and Niccodemus on Friday, . . . arose on Sunday.

He was crucified on Thursday, . . . plain, simple, easy, and correct.

May God bless,
Dwight

Nope. If He was crucified on Thursday it would have been the 14th. He had to be buried BEFORE sunset. He was crucified on Friday and rose Saturday after sunset...3 days. We know this because of the eyewitness testimony on the road to Emmaus...read it.