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How can we see distant stars in a young universe?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by caddy, Apr 13, 2005.

  1. caddy

    caddy Junior Member

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  2. Physics_guy

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    Would you care to learn the physics why Humphreys is wrong (and dishonestly so)?

    His white-hole cosmology relies upon some truly nonsensical and in likely fraudulent mathematics (he knows that his time coordinate is not acceptable given GR, but he uses it anyway to make his "model" work).
     
  3. Vastavus

    Vastavus Man is free at the moment he wishes to be

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  4. Hydra009

    Hydra009 bel esprit

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  5. TheMagi

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    All complete nonsense. And I'm a creationist. It would be bad enough if he was inaccurate about his own theories, but this, for example:
    I have a bit of trouble reconciling that with conventional big bang theory...

    Magi
     
  6. caddy

    caddy Junior Member

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    Kind of like what Miller-Urey did years ago working with elements they thought existed in the early atmosphere, of which today has been (actually since the 60s) has all but been proved False, but yet, it is STILL taught in our Science books as though it were valid proofs for evolution.

    Thanks for the Heads up. I'm NOT familiar with Humphreys at all.:thumbsup:

     
  7. NamesAreHardToPick

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    1. Theist posts a link from a random website.
    2. Therefore, God exists.
     
  8. LittleNipper

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    Well, now you know how a Bible believing Christian feels every time he sees magazine & newspaper articles, textbooks, TV specials, etc., proclaiming evolution as viable fact.
     
  9. Carmack

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    That's evidence for abiogenesis, not evolution.

    How has it been proven false?
     
  10. At Peace Without God

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    Maybe the whole theory needs to be translated back from tongues. I just don't understand TongueMath and TonguePhysics enough to see how this works.

    Maybe this is the parallel universe people talk about, where the laws of physics are completely different.
     
  11. TheMagi

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    I think you missed a couple of steps:

    1. Theist posts a link from a random website.
    2. God is Good
    3. If God is good, then he would not decieve his followers.
    4. If God does not decieve us, he would not allow those using false evidence to prove his existence
    5. If a website exists demonstrating God's existence, then it cannot be false, or this would constitute deception.
    6. Therefore, God exists.

    Perhaps you are being a little unfair... :)
    Magi
     
  12. caddy

    caddy Junior Member

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    As your quote of Mr. Russell suggests something similiar to Socrates, which I like:

    The trouble with the world is the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt

    I'm full of Doubt on many things when it comes to Origins, but not as it relates to God, but your post seems to imply your more sure of things than I am?

    Or am I reading you wrong....?


     
  13. Lucretius

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    You missed a step as well: Step 1.5 "Proof of God". Where is step 1.5?!
     
  14. LittleNipper

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    This is simple. GOD created the LIGHT and then GOD created a source for the LIGHT.
     
  15. Physics_guy

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    Then why did he create sources for light that must never have actually existed (for example supernova that are more than 10,000 light years away).
     
  16. NamesAreHardToPick

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    No, I couldn't remember it from Godless Geeks that I had seen, but it's funny.

    Here it is:

    I had forgotten number 1, oops.
     
  17. LittleNipper

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    GOD likes diversity...
     
  18. Lucretius

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    I don't think that answers the question lol
     
  19. NamesAreHardToPick

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    You're reading me wrong. I post for irony and humor about 75% of the time. I love how you said you don't doubt when it relates to God though, I'll have to add that to my dumb quotes sometime.
     
  20. 3Amig(o)s

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