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How can Christians justify eating meat?

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by eckhart, Dec 2, 2012.

  1. quatona

    quatona "God"? What do you mean??

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    As a non-Christian I have a concern for the future human beings on this planet.
     
  2. Rajni

    Rajni ☯ Ego ad Eum pertinent ☯ Supporter

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    That's one (of surely thousands) of (Christian) interpretations of that, yes. :)
     
  3. razeontherock

    razeontherock Well-Known Member

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    What you're expressing here is "stewardship." Not only is it a valid christian concern, but it's the very thing God put Adam in the garden for! To dress the it, and to keep it. IOW, a caretaker. Not a destroyer
     
  4. razeontherock

    razeontherock Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you'll find that many ideas on this point.
     
  5. Rajni

    Rajni ☯ Ego ad Eum pertinent ☯ Supporter

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    Not literally, no. But I no longer underestimate the potential for the diversity of opinion on any aspect of scripture (or on anything else, for that matter)! :D


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  6. grasping the after wind

    grasping the after wind That's grasping after the wind

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    You are assuming that pain can only be felt in one way because that is how we feel pain but there is no reason to assume that since experience tells us that different organisms experience different sensations in different ways. That being the case there is always the possibility that plants may experience pain the same as animals do but through a different set of receptors that we as animals fail to recognize.
    Why would anyone want to cut a living chicken's beak off?
    If you only disagree with eating meat because of the possibility of the process causing pain wouldn't it be more effective to advocate for pain free meat conversion than for vegetarianism?
     
  7. eckhart

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    I don't disagree with this at all. We can only ever assume that someone else feels the same type of pain that we do. We can never experience someone elses pain. There's a book I want you to look up called "The Secret Life of Plants" and the arguments made in this book have been disproved by science and testing, the book has been discredited, but may answer your questions about plants feeling pain.
    Its part of debeaking, all chickens have their beaks cut off before they can live in a broiler shed to stop them from fighting and damaging the weight and condition of their meat - why would anyone want to buy chicken meat that had been damaged?
    If they develop and genetically engineer a breed of animal that cannot suffer then that would be a solution to that side of the problem, and they are looking into growing animals in culture and labs. that cannot feel pain maybe in the future.
     
  8. razeontherock

    razeontherock Well-Known Member

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    I got a laugh out of that, thank you! ^_^
     
  9. razeontherock

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    The sci-fi references are nearly inexhaustible:

    Kuplach!

    We are from France

    Soylent Green
     
  10. pgp_protector

    pgp_protector Noted strange person

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    1st Timothy 4:
    1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron ; 3 Forbidding to marry , and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained . 7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profiteth little : but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come . 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach , because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11 These things command and teach . 12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come , give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. 15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. 16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
     
  11. TheVoiceOfFate

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    I'm pretty sure the Bible states that God created certain animals such as cows and pigs specifically to provide food for humans.
     
  12. ebia

    ebia Senior Contributor

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    I think you are mistaken.
     
  13. ThatRobGuy

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    Same here.

    Any fitness coach will tell you that you should be having 1gram of protein per pound of body weight every day.

    For a person who weighs 180, there's no possible way of meeting that requirement without eating meat...well, aside from drinking 9-10 protein shakes per day (for which you'd have to go to the vegan store and buy hemp protein since whey protein contains animal product).

    ...and if you have to take 9-10 dietary supplements per day, logic should tell you that there's something wrong with your diet.
     
  14. ThatRobGuy

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    Then he definitely lied in his book. Meat is carb free and eggs are about 1 carb per egg.
     
  15. ThatRobGuy

    ThatRobGuy Part of the IT crowd Supporter

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    Depends on what you consider "development"

    When the agriculture boom hit and people were told they should have 300 carbs per day, that's when heart disease became a major problem.
     
  16. ThatRobGuy

    ThatRobGuy Part of the IT crowd Supporter

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    The bible also says this

    1 Timothy Chapter 4
    Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

    According to the Christian faith, the NT trumps the OT, correct?
     
  17. Steve Petersen

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    This passage is not referencing OT practice. No place in the OT is marriage forbidden. In fact, God COMMANDED Adam and Eve to multiply.

    The passage is referring to ascetic practices of some other sort.
     
  18. ThatRobGuy

    ThatRobGuy Part of the IT crowd Supporter

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    I was referring to the meat eating part of the verse since that's the topic at hand
     
  19. CounselorForChrist

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    Not eating meat is Old Testament. For those who want evidence we are allowed to eat both I give you a verse you cannot deny:

    Romans 14:12-13:
    One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.

    So essentially we can eat whatever. The only time its an issue is when we tell each other we wouldn't eat this or that based on our own views. Also here another verse:
    The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.

    Romans 14:17
    For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
     
  20. keith99

    keith99 sola dosis facit venenum

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    And unless I'm missing yuuor point totally this verse is speaking exactly to this thread and is a major condemnation ot the idea behind it.

    The idea that man should not eat meat has no roots in Christianity.

    Personally I find this meat idea to be jsut the next step after those who want men to abstain from wine, despite the actions of Christ which approved and even demanded such consumption.
     
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