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Again: John 15:5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.The bible has been telling you all alone that you must have fruits to prove your faith. In James 2: (v.18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. True faith goes hand in hand with good works. (v.20) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Did you know that? Has anybody ever read this verse to you? How can you, after reading this verse ever say again that we need not work? You can have all the faith you want, but if you have no works to go along with that faith, that faith is in vain, that faith is dead. (v.21) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? We read where Abraham, the father of the faithful showed the Lord his faith by his works. (v.22) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? (v.23) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: and he was called the friend of God. (v.24) Ye see then how that by works a man is Justified, and not by faith only. Do you see that also? Do you understand that you need works to go along with that faith; if you love and fear God then you should have no problem obeying his commandments. (v.25) Likewise also was not Ra’-hab the harlot justified by works, when she received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? Ra’-hab showed her faith in God and her fear of God by doing good works. (v.26) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Take it or leave it, but this is the true uncut word of God. Just as the body is dead when you take away the spirit (breath) so faith is dead if you have no works.
So none of these works are works of the law, correct?You mean the good works the Bible talks about? Lets go to James 2:[15] If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[16] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
That's exactly what I thought you meant.Do mean give you an example of the different laws and the passage(s) you connect to them? You can find those different laws in the first five books of Moses, Genesis to Deuteronomy.
Amen!!!
- You don't need works, not of your own...you need Christ's work through you!
- Not that you won't have fruits...you will bare his fruit through you....Without him you can do nothing but with him in you, you will bare much fruit....fruit of the vine!
- God will judge by one single solitary aspect...is Christ in you or not!
So evidently this faith bearing good works has nothing to do with the law.Lets go into (James 2:14-18, 20-26) (v.14) What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him? (v.15) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of a daily food, (v.16) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? If someone came to you hungry and needed clothes and all you told them was peace be unto you, and God bless you, be ye warmed and filled. All you did was give lip service, no works, you didn’t help the problem. (v.17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. The bible has been telling you all alone that you must have fruits to prove your faith. (v.18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. True faith goes hand in hand with good works. (v.20) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Did you know that? Has anybody ever read this verse to you? How can you, after reading this verse ever say again that we need not work? You can have all the faith you want, but if you have no works to go along with that faith, that faith is in vain, that faith is dead. (v.21) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? We read where Abraham, the father of the faithful showed the Lord his faith by his works. (v.22) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? (v.23) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: and he was called the friend of God. (v.24) Ye see then how that by works a man is Justified, and not by faith only. Do you see that also? Do you understand that you need works to go along with that faith; if you love and fear God then you should have no problem obeying his commandments. (v.25) Likewise also was not Ra’-hab the harlot justified by works, when she received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? Ra’-hab showed her faith in God and her fear of God by doing good works. (v.26) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Take it or leave it, but this is the true uncut word of God. Just as the body is dead when you take away the spirit (breath) so faith is dead if you have no works.
Again: John 15:5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
The branches...the Vine....the fruit comes from the Vine; all the genetic code comes from the vine...the branch merely displays the fruit....It is ALL of him and none of us!
So evidently this faith bearing good works has nothing to do with the law.
bugkiller
That's exactly what I thought you meant.
Jer 31:31-33 is the promise of a new covenant. Jesus says this new covenant (Testament) is current. Heb 8:6 says this new covenant is based on better promises opposed to law. Not to mention the new covenant is not like the one they broke issued at Sinai.
bugkiller
So none of these works are works of the law, correct?
bugkiller
No, we are not robots but, with Jesus in us, we do the work of the vine freely! Without Jesus in me, I can do nothing on my own that has any bearing on my future!Yes, its all about God, but we are not robots.
No, I do not ignore what James wrote, I ignore how some interpret it. I can't boast in my own works but boast in the works of the Lord through me. It is not me anymore, it is all him through me!You ignore all of what I post that James wrote
James is quoting and not commanding or saying the works of the law are required to prove faith.The Royal law goes with saying. Its written in James 2: [8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
What remains on the table? In this thread you will find it all the law or none of the law. In fact you quoted James on the issue.I agree, but you still have to understand what God took off the table and what still remains on the table.
He doesn't say that for a while yet... (only He and the Father knows how long).Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
No, we are not robots but, with Jesus in us, we do the work of the vine freely! Without Jesus in me, I can do nothing on my own that has any bearing on my future!
No, I do not ignore what James wrote, I ignore how some interpret it. I can't boast in my own works but boast in the works of the Lord through me. It is not me anymore, it is all him through me!
What do you mean which law am I talking about?
bugkiller
What remains on the table? In this thread you will find it all the law or none of the law. In fact you quoted James on the issue.
bugkiller
Such as....Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
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