How are we to explain these "miracles?"

[PsychoSarah]

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What do atheists know about miracles and the manifestation of Power from on High?

All atheists can do is associate such to what they already know, that which is worldly and man-centered.

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Actually, religion is quite human centric, much more so than secular observations.

 

[TLK Valentine]

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What do atheists know about miracles and the manifestation of Power from on High?

As much as you do.

All atheists can do is associate such to what they already know, that which is worldly and man-centered.

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As do you.

 

[Heissonear]

As much as you do.

As do you.

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You once stated that people who encountered God were in delusion and did not know the power of the mind; that our "seeing God" was all in our head.

Well, when someone sees with their eyes a young child's deformed arm lengths and is made whole and normal over a matter of a few seconds, are you going to tell them that what they saw was all in their head?

How can it be just in someone's mind when they see Power rule over the natural, like the miracle mentioned above?

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[TLK Valentine]

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You once stated that people who encountered God were in delusion and did not know the power of the mind; that our "seeing God" was all in our head.

I don't recall exactly if/when I said such a thing, but it is true that the mind can do great -- or terrible -- things to us if we let it.

Well, when someone sees with their eyes a young child's deformed arm lengths and is made whole and normal over a matter of a few seconds, are you going to tell them that what they saw was all in their head?

Not at first -- there's always the possibility that they're being conned.

I look to the simplest solutions first -- how about you?

How can it be just in someone's mind when they see Power rule over the natural, like the miracle mentioned above?

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Cool story, bro. Now how about a real one?

 

[Heissonear]

Cool story, bro. Now how about a real one?

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What I witnessed was real. I seen what the Bible states about miracles - events when the Heavens Rule over the natural.

If it was not "just in mind" then you now state that I'm making the miracle up? It is just a story? You dismiss it as never occurring?

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[PsychoSarah]

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What I witnessed was real. I seen what the Bible states about miracles - events when the Heavens Rule over the natural.

If it was not "just in mind" then you now state that I'm making the miracle up? It is just a story? You dismiss it as never occurring?

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You refuse to offer any proof that it really happened. You aren't Jesus, why should we trust you on your word?

 

[TLK Valentine]

You refuse to offer any proof that it really happened. You aren't Jesus, why should we trust you on your word?

I'm sure he told us exactly what he thinks he saw... I mean heck, I saw David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty vanish on live TV back in '83....

 

[selfinflikted]

.Well, when someone sees with their eyes a young child's deformed arm lengths and is made whole and normal over a matter of a few seconds, are you going to tell them that what they saw was all in their head?

I'll just say what everyone's already thinking: A) It was a trick. You were fooled. B) You're lying about having seen it.

ETA: I just did a quick google search on arm and leg lengthening. It's a trick. It's all over YouTube (though, I can't actually watch the vids from here at work). So it looks like the correct answer is "A".

 

[Heissonear]

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Naturalists are quick to dismiss miracles. They come up with (to them) justified reasons to dismiss them. Con artist, magic, psychotic dilusion, and flat out stating "you're lying".

What would we expect, belief? No, unbelief in its various forms is what we see, combined with confusion mixed with error.

As mentioned before, atheists are the last to ask for understanding and truth about the Spiritual Realm and its Dynamics. All they show, repeatedly, is Spiritual Barreness and Poverty.


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[PsychoSarah]

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Naturalists are quick to dismiss miracles. They come up with (to them) justified reasons to dismiss them. Con artist, magic, psychotic dilusion, and flat out stating "you're lying".

What would we expect, belief? No, unbelief in its various forms is what we see, combined with confusion mixed with error.

As mentioned before, atheists are the last to ask for understanding and truth about the Spiritual Realm and its Dynamics. All they show, repeatedly, is Spiritual Barreness and Poverty.


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And yet again, you refuse to show proof that could save souls, unless you don't have any beyond your word.

 

[Sayre]

I'm sure he told us exactly what he thinks he saw... I mean heck, I saw David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty vanish on live TV back in '83....

83 was a good year!

 

[TLK Valentine]

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Naturalists are quick to dismiss miracles. They come up with (to them) justified reasons to dismiss them. Con artist, magic, psychotic dilusion, and flat out stating "you're lying".

You've been so slow to produce one; what did you expect?

What would we expect, belief?

In you? Unlikely.

 

[Heissonear]

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"Facts of miracles are trashed" by Naturalists on this site. What is Holy ..........

1. You have never seen a deformed limb of a baby become whole and normal before your eyes.

2. You have never seen someone shot in the chest by a high power rifle and fall to the ground in blood only to raise with no evidence of being shot.

Mates, you have been missing out, and the value these events bring towards others.

You promote mere Naturalism and state any events from Power from on High are mere assertions.

You show your extreme ignorance and unbelief.

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Yes, after numerous posts by Naturalists they have showed their EXTREME ignorance and unbelief. Facts of miracles are trashed, worth nothing.

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[PsychoSarah]

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Yes, after numerous posts by Naturalists they have showed their EXTREME ignorance and unbelief. Facts of miracles are trashed, worth nothing.

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And yet after numerous posts, you choose to just insult people and make your religion look bad rather than show anyone anything that would change their minds.

 

[Sayre]

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Yes, after numerous posts by Naturalists they have showed their EXTREME ignorance and unbelief. Facts of miracles are trashed, worth nothing.

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Where is the fact of a miracle? Where?

 

[Heissonear]

You've been so slow to produce one; what did you expect?

In you? Unlikely.

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Those who know the reality of miracles, those who have witnessed events when the Heavens Rule over the natural, easily see how unbelievers openly trash miracles. All through ignorance, Barrenness, and a heart like hard soil.
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[Neogaia777]

Have any of you, (and I'm speaking to the non-believers in here) even given the Bible, heck I'd even be satisfied with you taking the time with just the four gospels, (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) have any of you given them a "chance" even? As much as you non-believers in here accuse believers of being "ignorant", well I would say that all you non-believers are ignorant, especially if you won't even take the precious time out of your day, your life, to even just read at least the four gospel accounts and for God's and your own sake, give them a "chance", and when reading them, be open to the possibilities...

You people (non-believers) take so, so very, very much reading and studying and examining everything else in life, are you not even willing to take the time to read four very short (compared to the rest of mere mans knowledge and wisdom you take in) are you not even willing to take the time to read four short books (on average about twenty pages each)? and then, and only then, come back to us (believers) and then say what you have to say, what's the matter with reading them, are you afraid, what is it exactly that's holding you back?

In Jesus name, God Bless!

 

[Sayre]

Most non believers are ex Christians. They are non believers BECAUSE they read the bible. Surely you know this?

 

[Sayre]

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Those who know the reality of miracles, those who have witnessed events when the Heavens Rule over the natural, easily see how unbelievers openly trash miracles. All through ignorance, Barrenness, and a heart like hard soil.
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Do you think Honi the circle drawer performed miracles?

 

[Neogaia777]

Most non believers are ex Christians. They are non believers BECAUSE they read the bible. Surely you know this?

Then what from the bible, and what is it about it that made them go the other way and not believe?

There's is a line in the Bible somewhere, where it "some came out of us (of our sort), while previously being of our sort, made themselves (became) not of our sort, because they did not believe (in the power, kindness, mercy, in short, the all the things of God)"