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Hovind's lies exposed.

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by LifeToTheFullest!, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Well, I'm not going to rule out what is called Retroactive Falsification, but every myth, as they say, has a grain of truth in it.

    If they did indeed hunt a large flying avian back then, and hunted it to extinction, and over time this large flying avian became what is known today as the 'Thunderbird'; then indeed the 'Thunderbird' is a myth*, but the bird itself is not.

    * Or, more appropriately, an exaggeration.
    Yes --- in my opinion.


     
  2. Alunyel

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    So if you develop cancer, you're going to try and cure it through eating the seeds of peaches?

    Just don't go crying to Hovind when you develop cyanide poisoning over your cancer, which the peach seeds had no effect on.

    But it's OK, because you'll take his word for it, that peach seeds can cure cancer.
     
  3. AV1611VET

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    I thought I edited out the word "cure" in my post: 50.
     
  4. LifeToTheFullest!

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    So, we agree that Hovind lies for Jesus, and we can close this thread?
     
  5. Bombila

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  6. Soul Searcher

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    Keep in mind however that in the same post where it was pointed out that he claimed they hunted dinos it is also pointed out that he says dinos are nothign more than overgrown lizards. It is crystal clear that he is not talking about a bird so even if they did hunt Thunderbirds he is still wrong.

    My guess is that he does nto believe birds are dinos nor related though that is just a guess.
     
  7. LifeToTheFullest!

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    So, we agree that Hovind lies for Jesus to make a buck?
     
  8. AV1611VET

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    I personally believe Job hunted dinosaurs.

    Notice this passage:
    Attempts at hunting the Leviathan are futile; even when he is found, he cannot be captured by conventional means.
     
  9. LifeToTheFullest!

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    So, you agree that Hovind lies for Jesus?
     
  10. AV1611VET

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    As much as I believe you lie for Darwin.
     
  11. Hespera

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    do you ever get asked why you cant ever just give a straight answer?
     
  12. LifeToTheFullest!

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    Is that a "yes"?
     
  13. Naraoia

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    An email client that I would love, if only it were compatible with my antivirus.

    A misrepresentation worthy of a Hovind thread.

    I think you've also been told that all the evidence found in the 200 years since grandpa supports grandpa's conclusion.

    Bird-hipped dinosaurs are about as far removed from birds as a dinosaur can be ;)

    IMO, the peach myth is something that would even make sense if it were true. After all, cyanide interferes with the mitochondrial electron transport chain, and cancer cells are precisely the kind of cell that you'd expect to need a lot of energy.
     
  14. Bombila

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    This speculation does not remove my point, or my objection. You and the cryptozoologists, knowing very little of First Nations beliefs, legends, oral traditions, grasp at a thread and weave a blanket of it, without ever going the route of asking the people whose culture you are stealing the thread from in the first place.
     
  15. Tenka

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    This is rubbish.
    For Hovind to make any point by claiming "Native Americans used to hunt dinosaurs" he would have to have been referring to species thought long extinct such as giant sauropods.
    Hovind claiming humans hunted animals we know lived in the same time and place as humans gets him nowhere. Given that one of Hovind's central claims is that humans lived alongside giant sauropod dinosaurs it is certain he is referring to these and not a relatively recently extinct bird.
    In addition, this page from Hovind's website indicates that he rejects that birds are dinosaurs.

    If you want evidence that he is liar.
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    Hovind was found to have lied about his possessions and income."

     
  16. AV1611VET

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    And I don't agree.
    I have no idea what he was referring to.

    If he made the statement that Native Americans used to hunt dinosaurs, then he is correct --- at least on a technicality --- since birds are dinosaurs.
    It gets him off the hook on a technicality.
    Again, I disagree.

    I also believe man lived next to, and hunted giant dinosaurs, as I just showed from the book of Job.

    HOWEVER, I also believe these 'giant sauropod dinosaurs' no longer exist - (unless Nessie is one).

    If Kent Hovind was indeed talking about these guys, then I think he is in error --- but certainly not lying.

    My take on this is that they hunted the Thunderbird to extinction (or near extinction), as well as possibly a dying species of something else.
     
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  17. MrGoodBytes

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    It pains me to say it, but I'll have to side with AV1611VET on this one. Hovind isn't lying when he says that Native Americans hunted thunderbirds or dinosaurs. He's wrong, but I think he really believes these things.
     
  18. Washington

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    I might agree with you if it was almost any other creationist. Trouble with Hovind is that he's shown himself to be a con-man who was only out for the buck, and would say anything to further that end. So while he might believe such a thing, I feel that it's more likely that he doesn't.
     
  19. Tenka

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    From Kent's own site he writes: "Dinosaurs were created with man and were on the ark with Noah. After the flood they were hunted to the point of extinction in most parts of the world by man. A few dinosaurs are still alive in various parts of the world today!"

    If by "Thunderbird" you are talking about some species of recently extinct giant bird, then yes extinction from hunting is a possibility. Evidence pending.
    It isn't clear to what degree the thunderbird myth is based on reality, the giant avain you produced earlier is vulture like, while thunderbird stories describe something closer to a bald eagle.
    Frankly, when you have delicious deer and bison in abundance I can't see the attraction in going after a giant vulture.

    Australian aboriginies most likely hunted megafauna, and likely contributed to their extinctions. They weren't really dinosaurs though.

    I don't know what I think. He has a history of extremely disingenuous behavior. His "$250000 challenge" for one example and his antics with the IRS as another.
    He seems greatly interested in money and self promotion and, circumstances willing, could probably have been a cult leader.
     
  20. AV1611VET

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    Who was conned, Washington, and how?
     
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