House Judiciary Committee Holds Barr in Contempt

[Gigimo]

The only reason for this appears to be to smear Barr.

They already know what's in the Mueller report there isn't anything earth shattering in it, never was and no matter how hard they try to spin/misconstrue never will be.

When Barr uttered these words “unauthorized surveillance and political surveillance” it scared them to the core. So all this is about is to discredit Barr so that during his investigation the evidence he finds will be proclaimed to be BS it's not credible, in essence they'll be trying to CYA for themselves and their crony friends.

 

[JosephZ]

And the fact that "the President of the United States and his campaign were contacted by an adversary of the United States" is under doubt now.

1) The President wasn't contacted by Russia. It was only one member of his campaign, George Papadopoulos. Except now, it's now suspected that Papadopoulos wasn't contacted by a Russian, but by FBI assets. It looks more like he was set up.
2) Papadopoulos has already been investigated and sentenced to all of 14 days for lying to the FBI.

No, there is no doubt. And there was far more contact with the Russians than what you mention above.

The report shows that there were more than 250 contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russians or Russian linked operatives. This includes at 37 meetings. The report shows that Trump advisers, members of Trump's family, and Trump himself were aware of these activities. Not one of these contacts or meetings were ever reported even after being warned by the FBI that the Russians may attempt to contact them. Instead, Trump and his staff tried to cover all of this up.

From the report:

“the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.”

The fact that the release of Hillary's and the DNC's emails may have helped Trump doesn't mean that Trump or his campaign is guilty of anything. It's not like the FBI didn't know about the alleged hacks already.

I do have an issue with a foreign government hacking emails in our country. But what that has to do with Trump's campaign, except for it's effect on the election generally, isn't clear.

I also have an issue with spying on a campaign for political purposes, which occurred well prior to the July 2016 investigation Crossfire Hurricane.

Hillary Clinton isn't the President of the United States, Trump is. He lied to the American people, he failed to report Russian interference in the elections, and he ordered people not to cooperate with an investigation into the Russian's interference. This is unpatriotic, unethical, and his actions can't be defended.

If you have a issue with Clinton's actions, you need to use the same measure of judgement towards President Trump.

 

[JosephZ]

They already know what's in the Mueller report there isn't anything earth shattering in it, never was and no matter how hard they try to spin/misconstrue never will be.

^^^See my post above^^^

 

[Catfisher]

No, there is no doubt. And there was far more contact with the Russians than what you mention above.

The report shows that there were more than 250 contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russians or Russian linked operatives. This includes at 37 meetings. The report shows that Trump advisers, members of Trump's family, and Trump himself were aware of these activities. Not one of these contacts or meetings were ever reported even after being warned by the FBI that the Russians may attempt to contact them. Instead, Trump and his staff tried to cover all of this up.

From the report:

“the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.”



Hillary Clinton isn't the President of the United States, Trump is. He lied to the American people, he failed to report Russian interference in the elections, and he ordered people not to cooperate with an investigation into the Russian's interference. This is unpatriotic, unethical, and his actions can't be defended.

If you have a issue with Clinton's actions, you need to use the same measure of judgement towards President Trump.

It's pretty routine for campaigns to meet with foreign agents. So you have to separate that noise from the rest.

Of those 250 meetings, how many were about hacked emails?

The meeting at Trump tower? That Russian was also working with Fusion GPS, lol.

The clincher is in the details, not the broad brushed claims of "250 meetings with Russians".

Once you dig into the details, the conclusions become quite the opposite.

 

[Catfisher]

They already know what's in the Mueller report there isn't anything earth shattering in it, never was and no matter how hard they try to spin/misconstrue never will be.

When Barr uttered these words “unauthorized surveillance and political surveillance” it scared them to the core. So all this is about is to discredit Barr so that during his investigation the evidence he finds will be proclaimed to be BS it's not credible, in essence they'll be trying to CYA for themselves and their crony friends.

Indeed. The only reason to go after Barr in this manner is to smear him and make him look partisan. Many of the Congressmen going after Barr are attorneys and have attorney advisors and attorney advisors to the advisors. They know how to ask for the grand jury material in the proper way.

Maybe Trump Jr. can start giving speeches in Russia for $500,000 a pop.

 

[JosephZ]

It's pretty routine for campaigns to meet with foreign agents. So you have to separate that noise from the rest.

Of those 250 meetings, how many were about hacked emails?

The meeting at Trump tower? That Russian was also working with Fusion GPS, lol.

The clincher is in the details, not the broad brushed claims of "250 meetings with Russians".

Once you dig into the details, the conclusions become quite the opposite.

Have you read any of the report for yourself?

 

[Catfisher]

Have you read any of the report for yourself?

Of course, though not all at once.

 

[dqhall]

Already there has been one serious omission caught in the Mueller report related to Joseph Mifsud.
It's still not clear on Mueller's proof for Russian hacking.

Who, exactly, did Trump fire without proper cause? Comey, McCabe, Stzrok and Page deserved to be fired for cause. Who else? You do understand that firing someone didn't impede the investigation, right? Rosenstein, who was responsible for the Mueller team, was not fired, and nobody on Mueller's team was fired by Trump or his administration.



I hope the documents hiding who it was that conducted illegal NSA queries gets unclassified. I believe we will find out it was Hillary's friends at Fusion GPS, since the very day after NSA chief Admiral Rogers cut off the about queries, Glenn Simpson's wife visited the Obama White House, lol.

I hope it's all declassified, though it is already crystal clear the Obama administration used FBI and CIA assets to spy on a political campaign without probable cause.

Stzrok and Page's communications reveal that even prior to obtaining a warrant, the CIA was leaking to the media, lol. Illegal leaks.

Sessions, Rosenstein, Comey and McCabe are gone. They were the attorney general, deputy attorney general, head of the FBI and second in command of the FBI. Whether you call it resignations or being fired;Trump was behind it. Something like that could not have happen without his approval.

There are others who had to leave Trump's administration. Some people who cooperated with him are in jail. The turnover rate there is probably at least the highest in the past 50 years.

 

[Catfisher]

Sessions, Rosenstein, Comey and McCabe are gone. They were the attorney general, deputy attorney general, head of the FBI and second in command of the FBI. Whether you call it resignations or being fired;Trump was behind it. Something like that could not have happen without his approval.

Sessions inappropriately recused himself, and essentially committed professional suicide. Hints of regret of that decision have been apparent in his very recent public comments.

Comey deserved to be fired for numerous reasons.

McCabe has a criminal referral, lol, for lying.

They all served at the pleasure of the President.

There are others who had to leave Trump's administration. Some people who cooperated with him are in jail. The turnover rate there is probably at least the highest in the past 50 years.

Perhaps. I won't debate who set the record, but Obama had quite a bit of turnover, too. It's common. A couple of notable mentions from Obama's administration were Green Jobs Czar, Van Jones, who was a radical Marxist. Kevin Jennings also deserves mention as Obama's "Safe School Czar" who apparently had condoned man-boy sexual relationships and was a founding member of GLSEN, famous for its scandalous fiasco in Massachusetts. Obama had mutliple Secretary of States, as well as two attorneys general.

Given that the bureaucracy in DC bends to the left, it wouldn't surprise me that the turnover is a bit higher under Trump, combined with his efforts to cut wasteful spending at the federal level.

Not really a concern.

 

[Catfisher]

Edited to remove duplicate posting...

 

[Gigimo]

Sessions inappropriately recused himself, and essentially committed professional suicide. Hints of regret of that decision have been apparent in his very recent public comments.

Comey deserved to be fired for numerous reasons.

McCabe has a criminal referral, lol, for lying.

They all served at the pleasure of the President.

Trump gets excoriated for not firing the trolls left by Obama when he first took office and then gets excoriated again later on when he does figure out they are trolls and fires them.

 

[Gigimo]

^^^See my post above^^^

And it's not earth shattering it's only insinuation/innuendo that "something" may have happened with people in Trumps campaign. What it leaves out is things like who else had contact with the Russians during this same timeframe from the other Clinton campaign, and who knew about the Russian interference and chose to do nothing because he figured it would help Hilliary...

Considering the Dems have been in bed with the Russians for decades (just ask Teddy Kennedy, oh wait never mind he's dead) you know there was some kind of "conversation" happening.

 

[JosephZ]

And it's not earth shattering it's only insinuation/innuendo that "something" may have happened with people in Trumps campaign.

Once again, here's what we know did happen, there's no may have happened about it.

The Trump campaign failed to report Russian interference; used this interference to their advantage; there were attempts to keep this interference a secret, many staffers lied to investigators; and The President lied to the American people (Not unusual, he constantly does this).

The above is not just "insinuation/innuendo that "something" may have happened with people in Trumps campaign." The report confirms these things took place.

Even now the President and his administration continue to obstruct investigations into this interference.

Why wouldn't any American regardless of their party affiliation have problem with this?

What it leaves out is things like who else had contact with the Russians during this same timeframe from the other Clinton campaign, and who knew about the Russian interference and chose to do nothing because he figured it would help Hilliary...

Considering the Dems have been in bed with the Russians for decades (just ask Teddy Kennedy, oh wait never mind he's dead) you know there was some kind of "conversation" happening.

But, but, but, what about Hillary and the Democrats! This seems to be the only thing supporters of Trump can come back with.

 

[jgarden]

House committee votes to hold William Barr in contempt after Trump invokes executive privilege - CNNPolitics

Congress has demanded that Barr release grand jury information that he is prohibited from releasing under US law. Barr has refused, as any rational human being would presented with so publicly violating the law.

Now the Senate Judiciary Committee has voted to hold Barr in contempt and the issue will move to a vote on the House floor.

That Democrats will simply not drop the Muh Rushan Clooshun hoax simply proves that they are terrified of Barr and just want to smear him.

They may as well hold someone in contempt for not robbing a bank.

House Judiciary Committee Holds Barr in Contempt

This President and his supporters must have been absent from Civics class that day when they were taught that under the Constitution, Congress is a co-equal branch of government!

They are therefore as much entitled to the original version of the Mueller Report as the Executive Branch - for whom Congress is obligated under the Constitution to provide oversight!

It is not possible to fulfil Congress' constitutional duties if the Executive Branch is allowed to withhold critical information from the co-equal branch of government responsible for oversight!

In addition, Attorney General Barr is an appointee who serves at the discretion of the President, Congress on the other hand is voted into office by the American electorate!

 

[Catfisher]

Once again, here's what we know did happen, there's no may have happened about it.

The Trump campaign failed to report Russian interference; used this interference to their advantage; there were attempts to keep this interference a secret, many staffers lied to investigators; and The President lied to the American people (Not unusual, he constantly does this).

One operative - George P - failed to report a rumor from a Maltese professor who was likely working with the FBI anyway. Entrapment should be investigated here.

The above is not just "insinuation/innuendo that "something" may have happened with people in Trumps campaign." The report confirms these things took place.

That's a very unsupported accusation.

Even now the President and his administration continue to obstruct investigations into this interference.

The report was finished. No collusion was found. How, again, did Trump obstruct? Being innocent, of course, while not the determining factor, is nevertheless a factor in whether obstruction actually occurred. Frankly, Trump should have fired Mueller as soon as he learned that illegal spying had taken place to protect the Fourth Amendment rights of the people around him who were destroyed.

Why wouldn't any American regardless of their party affiliation have problem with this?

Because it was based on rumor, illegal spying, innuendo, possible entrapment, and all from the opposing political party. Smells rotten.

But, but, but, what about Hillary and the Democrats! This seems to be the only thing supporters of Trump can come back with.

Hardly. The facts are now coming out. Hillary DID in fact violate campaign finance law to fund the rumor and innuendo used to illegally obtain a warrant.

 

[Catfisher]

House Judiciary Committee Holds Barr in Contempt

This President and his supporters must have been absent from Civics class that day when they were taught that under the Constitution, Congress is a co-equal branch of government!

They are therefore as much entitled to the original version of the Mueller Report as the Executive Branch - for whom Congress is obligated under the Constitution is obligated to provide oversight!

That's not how our system works. Thank God.

It is not possible to fulfil their constitutional duties if the Executive Branch is allowed to withhold critical information from another co-equal branch of government!

Not "allowed" but "required". It's the LAW. Look it up. I've already outlined how Congressional Democrats could have requested the remaining 6% of the Mueller report. But that's not how they went about it. Because they want to smear Barr.

In addition, Attorney General Barr is a presidential appointee, he is not elected into office by the American voter!

So what?

 

[Gigimo]

But, but, but, what about Hillary and the Democrats! This seems to be the only thing supporters of Trump can come back with.

I'm curious as to why people get labeled as "Trump supporters" when they disagree with or question the popular rhetoric?

I'm also curious as to why we shouldn't investigate her part in all of this? Or maybe what all Obama knew and did nothing about?

People who are open minded would be all for finding the whole truth not just part of it.

 

[JosephZ]

One operative - George P - failed to report a rumor from a Maltese professor who was likely working with the FBI anyway. Entrapment should be investigated here.

That's not accurate. The report says there were at least 33 campaign officials, advisers and President Trump himself that failed to report contacts with Russia and many of those 33 had direct contact with them.

That's a very unsupported accusation.

It's in the report.

Because it was based on rumor, illegal spying, innuendo, possible entrapment, and all from the opposing political party. Smells rotten.

No, it was based on evidence and sworn testimony.

Hardly. The facts are now coming out. Hillary DID in fact violate campaign finance law to fund the rumor and innuendo used to illegally obtain a warrant.

But, but, but, Hillary....

 

[Gigimo]

Even now the President and his administration continue to obstruct investigations into this interference.

There's already been 4 how many more do we need to have?

Oh wait never mind I already know the answer to that "until they find something/anything they can use to try to get rid of Trump with". (I really wish they would grow up and act like adults)

 

[Catfisher]

That's not accurate. The report says there were at least 33 campaign officials, advisers and President Trump himself that failed to report contacts with Russia and many of those 33 had direct contact with them.

A political campaign isn't required to report contacts with foreign governments. George P. was required to report an effort to interfere, assuming it actually came from Russians.

People assume that campaigns never communicate with Russia. That's ridiculously false. Again, the tactic here seems to be to announce that the campaign had contacts with Russia, ergo they colluded with Russia to hack Hillary. That's really poor logic and unsubstantiated assertion.

It's in the report.

What is? That people met with Russians? Hillary paid for Russian intel on Trump. Where's that investigation?

No, it was based on evidence and sworn testimony.
But, but, but, Hillary....

The facts are the facts. We need to examine the details, not the over-hyped claims that are irrelevant.