Homosexuals Forcing Their Immorality On The Rest Of Us

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By DON WALTON

Make no mistake about it; same-sex marriage has nothing to do with equal rights. Homosexuals already have the same right to marry as everyone else. If a gay man wants to marry a woman or a lesbian wants to marry a man, they have every right to do so. The problem with homosexuals is that they don't want to marry, but to redefine marriage to fit their perversion.
If homosexuals are permitted by law to redefine marriage according to their sexual preference, then the law will henceforth be prohibited from discriminating against additional redefinitions of marriage required to accommodate all other sexual preferences. Once same-sex marriage is enshrined in law, polygamists, bisexuals, transsexuals and pedophiles will insist that the nuptial boundaries be redrawn to include their sexual perversions within the borders of matrimony as well.
In the end, any and all consenting relationships, no matter how immoral or perverse, will have to be deemed legally marriageable. Otherwise, the law will be put in the untenable position of self-contradiction, forced to argue against what it actually argued for in the case of same-sex marriage. There will be no closing of this Pandora's Box once it's opened. Marriage, as it has always been understood, will be continuously reduced to the lowest common denominator until finally rendered indistinguishable and indefinable.
Now, many will protest that I have no right as a Christian to force my morality on others. Yet, what's happening in America today is the exact opposite. Others are forcing their immorality on me. Homosexuals argue that what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is none of my business. I agree. What homosexuals do in the privacy of their bedrooms is totally between them and God. My problem is that many homosexuals today refuse to keep it in the privacy of their own bedrooms. Instead, they insist upon publicly parading on "Gay Days" and in "Gay Pride Parades." The problem today is not Christians flaunting our faith in homosexuals' faces, but homosexuals flaunting their sex lives in all of our faces.
No one is forcing morality on homosexuals, but many homosexuals are trying to force their immorality on all of the rest of us. They want to force our public schools to teach the moral equivalency of homosexuality to heterosexuality, regardless of whether your children are being taught differently in your home and in your church. They want to force states like ours to legalize the adoption of children by same-sex couples. They want to force organizations like the Boy Scouts of America to enlist gay scoutmasters to take young boys into the woods for weekend camping trips. They want to force your church to accept practicing homosexuals into its membership, as well as to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies in its facilities. And they want to force you to rent rental properties to same-sex couples, to hire homosexuals in your business and to disclaim your God-given convictions in order to embrace their alternative lifestyles.
Rather than being about equal rights, same-sex marriage is all about legitimizing homosexuality. It is the strong-arming of our society into conformity to the homosexual agenda. Armed with judicial fiats (the legalizing of same-sex marriage in California and Massachusetts by despotic state supreme courts), politically correct legislation (the recently passed "Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act," which normalizes homosexuality and criminalizes any opposition to it), ACLU lawsuits and a libelous press, today's Gay Rights Movement is armed and dangerous. By holding to our heads the triple threat of legal prosecution for hate crimes, financially ruinous litigation for discrimination and reputation destroying bad press, homosexuals hope to force us all into silence and submission.
All of the arguments put forth by homosexuals for same-sex marriage are easily proven bogus upon close examination. For instance, we often hear how same-sex marriage is necessary to assure inheritance rights to same-sex couples. However, this can be accomplished by simply writing a will. There is certainly no need to radically redefine the God-ordained bedrock institution of all orderly society.
Another argument often put forth in favor of same-sex marriage is the need to assure same-sex couples of hospital visitation rights. I for one would like to know the name of a hospital in today's politically correct culture that is denying homosexuals the right to visit their sick same-sex partners. You know as well as I do that such a hospital would be vilified on the front pages of today's liberal press, not to mention run the risk of jeopardizing its state and federal funding for such things as Medicaid expenditures.
If it doesn't bother you to:
Pull marriage, the God ordained bedrock for all orderly society, out from under American society.
To rob children of their needed role models — father and mother.
To rob children of needed relationships — paternal, maternal and sibling.
To live in a country where all sexual relationships are deemed marriageable, and all dissent is condemned as discriminatory.
To live in a country where schools teach the moral equivalency of heterosexuality, homosexuality, inappropriate behavior with animals and pedophilia.
To live in a country where children are not the product of their parents' love, but of artificial insemination and vials of sperm stored in sperm banks.
To live in a country where your church forfeits its tax exemption because of its unwillingness to accept practicing homosexuals into its membership.
To live in a country where both you and your pastor face litigation — you for your refusal to rent property to a gay or lesbian couple and your pastor for his refusal to perform a same-sex wedding ceremony.
To live in a country where the words of sacred Scripture are considered hate speech, the practice of the Christian faith a hate crime, and all Christians hate-mongers, then feel free to vote "no" on Amendment 2.
On the other hand, if you find all of the above as appalling as I do, then you better vote "yes" on Amendment 2 and get as many other voters to the polls to do likewise as you possibly can.
It's high time that Christians realized that this battle over same-sex marriage is the "Waterloo" of the Culture War. If we lose it, it's over. Our country is lost, as is proven by the soon demise of every civilization in history that legitimized homosexuality.

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Once same-sex marriage is enshrined in law, polygamists, bisexuals, transsexuals and pedophiles will insist that the nuptial boundaries be redrawn to include their sexual perversions within the borders of matrimony as well.
That's a slippery slope fallacy, and there's no connection between legalizing homosexuality and legalizing pedophilia. And including transsexuality on the list (which is a recognized medical condition, and it has a working treatment in the form of gender reassignment therapy) proves that the author has absolutely no idea what he is writing about.
Others are forcing their immorality on me.
Is someone forcing you to give up a heterosexual relationship and enter a homosexual one? If not, then don't force an equivalent thing (giving up a homosexual relationship and entering a heterosexual one) on homosexuals.
They want to force our public schools to teach the moral equivalency of homosexuality to heterosexuality, regardless of whether your children are being taught differently in your home and in your church.
Schools don't teach morality, they teach facts. Such as the fact that homosexuality isn't a choice, and that it's not something that can be changed.
They want to force states like ours to legalize the adoption of children by same-sex couples.
Many same-sex couples already raise children, and nothing negative about that has been found.
They want to force organizations like the Boy Scouts of America to enlist gay scoutmasters to take young boys into the woods for weekend camping trips.
No. They want governemnt sponsored organizations to treat people equally no matter what sexual orientation a person has.
They want to force your church to accept practicing homosexuals into its membership, as well as to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies in its facilities.
I don't think that anyone's pushing for a law that defines what beliefs some church can have.
And they want to force you to rent rental properties to same-sex couples,
They aren't forcing anyone to rent anything. It's just that if you have something for rent, you should treat your clients equally, instead of being a jerk and treating heterosexual clients better than homosexual ones.
to hire homosexuals in your business
Anything wrong with that?
"Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act,"
Hate crimes laws protect homosexuality in the same way as they protect heterosexuality.
There is certainly no need to radically redefine the God-ordained bedrock institution of all orderly society.
God =/= the government. Even if you believe that God is against homosexual marriages, religion has nothing to do with secular laws.



So... the whole article is totally wrong, and the person has no idea what he was writing about. :)
 
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That's a slippery slope fallacy, and there's no connection between legalizing homosexuality and legalizing pedophilia. And including transsexuality on the list (which is a recognized medical condition, and it has a working treatment in the form of gender reassignment therapy) proves that the author has absolutely no idea what he is writing about.

It could happen. Don't forget this:
In 1993, ILGA, of which NAMBLA had been a member for a decade, achieved United Nations consultative status. NAMBLA's association with ILGA drew heavy criticism, and many gay organizations called for the ILGA to dissolve ties with NAMBLA. Republican Senator Jesse Helms proposed a bill to withhold $119 million in U.N. contributions until U.S. President Bill Clinton could certify that "no UN agency grants any official status, accreditation, or recognition to any organization which promotes, condones, or seeks the legalization of pedophilia, that is, the sexual abuse of children". The bill was unanimously approved by Congress and signed into law by Clinton in April 1994.

Is someone forcing you to give up a heterosexual relationship and enter a homosexual one? If not, then don't force an equivalent thing (giving up a homosexual relationship and entering a heterosexual one) on homosexuals.

It didn't say heterosexual relationship it said, "Others are forcing their immorality on me."
San Francisco had a gay parade and the gays were half naked out in the streets which was against the law but the cops didn't do anything about it. Then they were doing rude sexual acts in public. That's forcing something on the public which the majority of the San Francisco people didn't want.

Schools don't teach morality, they teach facts. Such as the fact that homosexuality isn't a choice, and that it's not something that can be changed.

Then why did a school take 'kids' to a lesbian wedding in San Francisco?
Homosexuality is a choice.

Many same-sex couples already raise children, and nothing negative about that has been found.

See this from Dr. Trayce Hansen:
Pro-Homosexual Researchers Conceal Findings:
Children Raised by Openly Homosexual Parents More Likely to Engage in homosexuality
http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_prohomo.html

No. They want governemnt sponsored organizations to treat people equally no matter what sexual orientation a person has.

They were threatening the Boy Scouts because they didn't allow homosexuals in their organization. It's their organization and no one should be telling them what to do.

I don't think that anyone's pushing for a law that defines what beliefs some church can have.

In New Jersey, the arrival of civil unions led almost immediately to a church losing part of its tax-exempt status for refusing to allow a lesbian "commitment ceremony" to take place on church property.

They aren't forcing anyone to rent anything. It's just that if you have something for rent, you should treat your clients equally, instead of being a jerk and treating heterosexual clients better than homosexual ones.

If same-sex marriage is passed by the state then they will force renters to rent to same-sex marriage people.
I don't think tenants would want to see their kids seeing homosexuals kissing outside and that is what will happen if the state sanctions same-sex marriage.

Anything wrong with that?

A San Francisco ordinance required any company transacting business with the city or county to offer the same benefits to the domestic partners of its employees as it does to the spouses of its workers. That is very unfair for companies doing business with San Francisco.
It will also affect health insurance because homosexual sex is high risk sex.

Hate crimes laws protect homosexuality in the same way as they protect heterosexuality.

How about this:
On October 10, 2004, the four Christians were arrested in Philadelphia.
They are part of Repent America. Along with founder Michael Marcavage, members of Repent America with police approval--were preaching near Outfest, a homosexual event, handing out Gospel literature and carrying banners with Biblical messages.

When they tried to speak, they were surrounded by a group of radical homosexual activists dubbed the Pink Angels. A videotape of the incident shows the Pink Angels interfering with the Christians' movement on the street, holding up large pink symbols of angels to cover up the Christians' messages and blowing high pitched whistles to drown out their preaching.

Rather than arrest the homosexual activists and allow the Christians to exercise their First Amendment rights, the Philadelphia police arrested and jailed the Christians! They were charged with eight crimes, including three felonies: possession of instruments of crime (a bullhorn), ethnic intimidation (saying that homosexuality is a sin), and inciting a riot (reading from the Bible some passages relating to homosexuality) despite the fact that no riot occurred.


God =/= the government. Even if you believe that God is against homosexual marriages, religion has nothing to do with secular laws.

Where do you think our laws came from? They came from the Bible.
Founding Father and educator Noah Webster (1758-1843) had this to say: "The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.

So... the whole article is totally wrong, and the person has no idea what he was writing about. :)

From the proof I have presented, it is plain to see that homosexuals are forcing their lifestyle on society.
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It could happen. Don't forget this:
In 1993, ILGA, of which NAMBLA had been a member for a decade, achieved United Nations consultative status. NAMBLA's association with ILGA drew heavy criticism, and many gay organizations called for the ILGA to dissolve ties with NAMBLA. Republican Senator Jesse Helms proposed a bill to withhold $119 million in U.N. contributions until U.S. President Bill Clinton could certify that "no UN agency grants any official status, accreditation, or recognition to any organization which promotes, condones, or seeks the legalization of pedophilia, that is, the sexual abuse of children". The bill was unanimously approved by Congress and signed into law by Clinton in April 1994.
How does that show any connection between legalizing homosexuality and legalizing pedophilia? If pedophilia is ever legalized, then rape must be legalized first, not homosexuality.
It didn't say heterosexual relationship it said, "Others are forcing their immorality on me."
Do you want to outlaw everything which you think is immoral?
San Francisco had a gay parade and the gays were half naked out in the streets which was against the law but the cops didn't do anything about it. Then they were doing rude sexual acts in public. That's forcing something on the public which the majority of the San Francisco people didn't want.
Some homosexuals like to act obscenely, just like some heterosexuals do. What does that have to do with homosexuals specifically?
Then why did a school take 'kids' to a lesbian wedding in San Francisco?
To show them that their teacher is in love. :)
Homosexuality is a choice.
No, it's not, people don't choose their sexual orientation. What makes you think that they do?
See this from Dr. Trayce Hansen:
Pro-Homosexual Researchers Conceal Findings:
Children Raised by Openly Homosexual Parents More Likely to Engage in homosexuality
http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_prohomo.html
There's one very basic flaw in reasoning here. It's not homosexual parents vs heterosexual parents, because no one wants to take children away from heterosexual parents and give them to homosexual ones. It's only homosexual parents vs. living in an orphanage.
They were threatening the Boy Scouts because they didn't allow homosexuals in their organization. It's their organization and no one should be telling them what to do.
From what I've heard, it's not a totally private organization, because it gets some money from the government.
In New Jersey, the arrival of civil unions led almost immediately to a church losing part of its tax-exempt status for refusing to allow a lesbian "commitment ceremony" to take place on church property.
Of course it should lose its tax-exempt status. If they want to discriminate, they can do it with their own money, not the tax payers' money, especially since some of the tax payers are the people they want to discriminate against.
If same-sex marriage is passed by the state then they will force renters to rent to same-sex marriage people.
Is it now forcing renters to rent to opposite-sex marriage people?
I don't think tenants would want to see their kids seeing homosexuals kissing outside and that is what will happen if the state sanctions same-sex marriage.
Just because some people don't like that two people are in love doesn't mean that they should be taken seriously. Some time ago there were people stupid enough (or brainwashed enough) to believe that interracial marriage is wrong, but they just had to get used to it.
A San Francisco ordinance required any company transacting business with the city or county to offer the same benefits to the domestic partners of its employees as it does to the spouses of its workers. That is very unfair for companies doing business with San Francisco.
How's that unfair? It's actually very fair. Why should some couples be treated better than other?
It will also affect health insurance because homosexual sex is high risk sex.
How is it a high risk sex?
How about this:
On October 10, 2004, the four Christians were arrested in Philadelphia.
They are part of Repent America. Along with founder Michael Marcavage, members of Repent America with police approval--were preaching near Outfest, a homosexual event, handing out Gospel literature and carrying banners with Biblical messages.

When they tried to speak, they were surrounded by a group of radical homosexual activists dubbed the Pink Angels. A videotape of the incident shows the Pink Angels interfering with the Christians' movement on the street, holding up large pink symbols of angels to cover up the Christians' messages and blowing high pitched whistles to drown out their preaching.

Rather than arrest the homosexual activists and allow the Christians to exercise their First Amendment rights, the Philadelphia police arrested and jailed the Christians! They were charged with eight crimes, including three felonies: possession of instruments of crime (a bullhorn), ethnic intimidation (saying that homosexuality is a sin), and inciting a riot (reading from the Bible some passages relating to homosexuality) despite the fact that no riot occurred.
Well, that sounds weird. But I have no idea what it has to do with legalizing homosexual marriages.
Where do you think our laws came from? They came from the Bible.
So, are you for outlawing other religions? After all, if saying "it's against the Bible" is a good enough reason to ban homosexual marriage, it should be also a good reason to ban other religions.
 
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As a Christian do you believe that sex outside of marriage (where marriage has always been defined as between a man and woman) is sin?
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How does that show any connection between legalizing homosexuality and legalizing pedophilia? If pedophilia is ever legalized, then rape must be legalized first, not homosexuality.

Do you want to outlaw everything which you think is immoral?

Some homosexuals like to act obscenely, just like some heterosexuals do. What does that have to do with homosexuals specifically?

To show them that their teacher is in love. :)

No, it's not, people don't choose their sexual orientation. What makes you think that they do?

There's one very basic flaw in reasoning here. It's not homosexual parents vs heterosexual parents, because no one wants to take children away from heterosexual parents and give them to homosexual ones. It's only homosexual parents vs. living in an orphanage.

From what I've heard, it's not a totally private organization, because it gets some money from the government.

Of course it should lose its tax-exempt status. If they want to discriminate, they can do it with their own money, not the tax payers' money, especially since some of the tax payers are the people they want to discriminate against.

Is it now forcing renters to rent to opposite-sex marriage people?

Just because some people don't like that two people are in love doesn't mean that they should be taken seriously. Some time ago there were people stupid enough (or brainwashed enough) to believe that interracial marriage is wrong, but they just had to get used to it.

How's that unfair? It's actually very fair. Why should some couples be treated better than other?

How is it a high risk sex?

Well, that sounds weird. But I have no idea what it has to do with legalizing homosexual marriages.

So, are you for outlawing other religions? After all, if saying "it's against the Bible" is a good enough reason to ban homosexual marriage, it should be also a good reason to ban other religions.
 
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As a Christian do you believe that sex outside of marriage (where marriage has always been defined as between a man and woman) is sin?
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Well, it all depends on how someone defines marriage.

But what does it matter here? Whether homosexuality is a sin or not should have nothing to do with the laws regarding homosexuality.
 
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As a Christian do you believe that sex outside of marriage (where marriage has always been defined as between a man and woman) is sin?

Sin, sin, sin ...is that all that occupies your mind? We ALL sin, texastig, and ALL includes you. So, what IS this tangent you're on for calling out homosexuals for sinning when YOU yourself sin? Tell me P L E A S E, what IS the difference between YOUR sins and the sins of others? Do you - and others on this subforum - REALLY not realize that you're the pot calling the kettle black? You know what? ...you're a hypocrite Mr. texastig because you're casting stones.

Gee, this kind of thing makes me sick! If you REALLY need to pick on sinners pick on the HUNDREDS of divorcees and remarrieds in your neighborhood who are - biblically speaking - living in adultery.
 
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Well, it all depends on how someone defines marriage.

But what does it matter here? Whether homosexuality is a sin or not should have nothing to do with the laws regarding homosexuality.

Jesus defines marriage. Remember, this is Jesus speaking.
Mar 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mar 10:7
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

It matters to God because it is sin and those who live in that lifestyle will die in their sin.
As Christians we need to tell homosexuals that God can and is willingly to deliver them. They must surrender to Him and take up their cross.

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If we live in sin, we will die in our sins and not go to Heaven. I don't live in the homosexual life style so I'm not a hypocrite.
If I was living the homosexual life style and telling people it's wrong then I'd be a hypocrite.
This is the debate on homosexuality forum, not the divorcee or remarried forum.
I love the sinner but not the sin. I tell everyone who is sinning to turn to God and to take up their cross.
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Sin, sin, sin ...is that all that occupies your mind? We ALL sin, texastig, and ALL includes you. So, what IS this tangent you're on for calling out homosexuals for sinning when YOU yourself sin? Tell me P L E A S E, what IS the difference between YOUR sins and the sins of others? Do you - and others on this subforum - REALLY not realize that you're the pot calling the kettle black? You know what? ...you're a hypocrite Mr. texastig because you're casting stones.

Gee, this kind of thing makes me sick! If you REALLY need to pick on sinners pick on the HUNDREDS of divorcees and remarrieds in your neighborhood who are - biblically speaking - living in adultery.
 
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Jesus defines marriage. Remember, this is Jesus speaking.
Mar 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mar 10:7
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
That's simply a description of what most people do, not a definition saying what everyone must do. If you see it as a definition in the way that everyone must do it, then it would be against celibacy in the same way as against homosexuality.
It matters to God because it is sin and those who live in that lifestyle will die in their sin.
As Christians we need to tell homosexuals that God can and is willingly to deliver them. They must surrender to Him and take up their cross.
Well, sexual orientation isn't something that can be changed.

But what does it have to do with laws regarding homosexual marriage?
 
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That's simply a description of what most people do, not a definition saying what everyone must do.
If you see it as a definition in the way that everyone must do it, then it would be against celibacy in the same way as against homosexuality.

Your correct everyone doesn't have to be married. But it still doesn't give a license to have sex outside of marriage.

Well, sexual orientation isn't something that can be changed.

It can be changed by submitting to God and taking up our cross.
It's just like any other sin.
People have changed because they submitted to God and took up
their cross.

But what does it have to do with laws regarding homosexual marriage?

If laws are passed for homosexual marriage then everyone will be forced to
abide by those laws even if they don't believe in homosexual marriage.
For example:
An evangelical Christian photographer was brought before the New Mexico Human Rights Commission after she declined for religious reasons to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony and she was fined.

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They are pushing their stuff down Americas throats which is wrong.
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What do you mean? Please be specific. I am homosexual, but I have never "pushed anything down anyones throat".

By being vague, I think you are being disingenuous. Cite a specific example of something being forced on you, and we can discuss it. Otherwise this is a nonsense statement.
 
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It can be changed by submitting to God and taking up our cross.
Then please explain all the personal testimony of homosexuals who have prayed and prayed to have their homosexuality changed and their orientation shifts not an inch?

Sexual orientation is certainly as firmly rooted as master handedness, and possibly as firmly rooted as eye colour. Are you interested in a genuine discussion, or do you just want to make baseless, vague statements?
 
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Then please explain all the personal testimony of homosexuals who have prayed and prayed to have their homosexuality changed and their orientation shifts not an inch?

They must confess their sins, repent of their sins and be delivered.
The devil counterfeits the true things of God.

How about the personal testimonies of homosexuals who have been
delivered from homosexuality like Dennis Jernigan?

Sexual orientation is certainly as firmly rooted as master handedness, and possibly as firmly rooted as eye colour.

There is no scientific proof that homosexuality is rooted. It is a choice.

Are you interested in a genuine discussion, or do you just want to make baseless, vague statements?

Why do you think I'm here for? I don't make baseless vague statements.
Homosexuality is sin as the Bible states and just like any other sin, people
can be freed from it.

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They must confess their sins, repent of their sins and be delivered.
The devil counterfeits the true things of God.

How about the personal testimonies of homosexuals who have been
delivered from homosexuality like Dennis Jernigan?
How about you answer my question rather than obfuscate... if what you say is true, why doesn't prayer change EVERY homosexual who sincerely prays to be changed?
There is no scientific proof that homosexuality is rooted. It is a choice.
Nonsense. And I have the scientific consensus to back me up. want links?

Choice? Please. If that ridiculous claim were true you'd be able to "choose" to be homosexual for 5 minutes and then turn back. Bet you can't.
I don't make baseless vague statements.
well, that "homosexuals are forcing thier immorality on us" is pretty vague and baseless, thats why I asked you to clarify.
Homosexuality is sin as the Bible states and just like any other sin, people
can be freed from it.
Really? Where does the Bible say "Homosexuality is a sin"? Nowhere. You may, depending on your personal (mis)translation, be able to find a passage that arguably condemns homosexual ACTS, but nowhere does the Bible say it is sinful to be a homosexual.
 
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If I'm not mistaken -- and I apologize and seek correction if I am -- Texastig has spoken in posts of having been molested by another male as a child, with traumatic effects, including believing himself to be gay for a period. Having known molested boys in the past, I have very strong sympathy for him for what he must have gone through.

From this, it appears to me that he has generalized that every person of same-sex orientation is a would-be molester and that he has a license to circulate lies about them in an effort to prevent them from striking again. This, I find offensive on many levels.
 
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