Homosexuality

[LogosRhema]

Not sure if this belongs in the Theology Forum, but move as necessary if needed.

This is more of an ideal question for both the straight Christian and homosexual Christian.

I'm not sure how many "proclaiming" homosexual Christians there are here, but I was curious...

How do those who struggle or have struggled with homosexuality feel when fellow Christians speak of their "sin" in such a horrid light.

And how do those who actually are mindful and humble about themselves go addressing this issue.

In my mind, yes I would say that it is not Christ like, BUT I cannot talk about it in some ways a lot of people do, for me sin is black and white, the sin of homosexuality is just as bad as lighting up a cigerate or cussing your car out. I feel that there are a lot of Christians out there that are very judgmental when homosexuality is brought up...

Last thing I would want a brother or sister in Christ to do to me if I were struggling with something was a negative attitude towards my struggle and condemnation.

 

[Leah]

Hi LR.

We need to remember I Corinthians 6:9-11 (especially verse 11). A homosexual christian is any oxymoron.

You cannot be in Christ and be gay at the same time, whether you struggle with it or not.

And as with any struggle, know that because of Christ and that He loves you and is SO willing and able to help you come to the fullness of Him, no one needs to stay in bondage to sin.

That's why the scriptures say "be not deceived."

 

[LogosRhema]

Can anyone be considered a Christian AND not be an oxymoron while still sinning? We all have our struggles, we all consider ourselves Christians, we all break God's law, thus we are all oxymorons.

I see what you are saying though, but it is also important to remember that we all came to Christ struggling with sin, and still struggle to this day, so I do not see why a Christian struggling with homosexuality is any different than you or me.

 

[Leah]

It's one thing to struggle with sin. It's another to follow and like it.

My post was in reference to those who say they're christian and yet practice homosexuality, thinking that there's nothing wrong with it and all is well.

 

[GeratTzedek]

You know what? I struggle with sex all the time. And I'm not even gay. I am, however, unmarried, which means I must remain chaste. You think that's easy? How is it any easier for me than for someone who is gay? It is very VERY unlikely that I will ever remarry. That doesn't make it any easier either.

I'm very sympathetic towards gays. They have a rough and rocky road. But in the end, if I can manage chastity, anyone can.

Anyone who wants to send moi PM's of sympathy, marraige proposals, gifts of money (increments of $100 would be nice) to make yourself feel better, you are welcome.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I'm not sure how many "proclaiming" homosexual Christians there are here, but I was curious...

There are over 205,000 members on this forum, so the number of how many are "proclaiming" what you ask is obviously 6.

 

[LogosRhema]

There are over 205,000 members on this forum, so the number of how many are "proclaiming" what you ask is obviously 6.

Daang, where'd you do your math

 

[Brieuse]

How do those who struggle or have struggled with homosexuality feel when fellow Christians speak of their "sin" in such a horrid light.

It isn't nice.

They assume we haven't prayed about it. They assume there was no battle with self. And they assume they can speak for God.

 

[LogosRhema]

It isn't nice.

They assume we haven't prayed about it. They assume there was no battle with self. And they assume they can speak for God.

By "they" you mean?

 

[Brieuse]

By "they" you mean?

Sorry, those that judge us.

 

[LogosRhema]

Sorry, those that judge us.

Haha no problem, it is also important to forgive those who judge us... so funny "judge and be judged back"... how many times has some1 judged you and you returned the favor? Atleast I've noticed that for myself...

 

[Brieuse]

Haha no problem, it is also important to forgive those who judge us... so funny "judge and be judged back"... how many times has some1 judged you and you returned the favor? Atleast I've noticed that for myself...

Yes, for sure.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Hi LR.

We need to remember I Corinthians 6:9-11 (especially verse 11). A homosexual christian is any oxymoron.

You cannot be in Christ and be gay at the same time, whether you struggle with it or not.

And as with any struggle, know that because of Christ and that He loves you and is SO willing and able to help you come to the fullness of Him, no one needs to stay in bondage to sin.

That's why the scriptures say "be not deceived."

How fortunate that hit is God who decides who he has a personal relationship with not you. And it also fortunate that God does not base his relationships on prejudice.


"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." Matthew 22:36-40

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." John 13:34-35

prejudice has no place with Jesus. You would do well to remember that

 

[LogosRhema]

How fortunate that hit is God who decides who he has a personal relationship with not you. And it also fortunate that God does not base his relationships on prejudice.


"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." Matthew 22:36-40

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." John 13:34-35

prejudice has no place with Jesus. You would do well to remember that

I agree with you. I hope you dont think I have some prejudice against homosexuals. I have two friends that are, so I'm pretty well exposed to it. It's very interesting to say the least, how to respond in a Christ-like manner.

 

[HaloHope]

It annoys me that other Christians treat my relationship with another women with contempt and disgust. It annoys me that many gay people are pushed away from the church by negative attitudes based on archaic translations of the Bible which may not even be the correct translation in the first place.

Perhaps most of all it annoys me that those who condemn us dont seem to grasp just how unreasonable it is that they can get married and have happy sexual relationships with the person they love, and we gay people are meant to suck it up and deal with celibacy for all our lives.Im sorry but theres no way thats going to sit with me, it would be unreasonable for God to ask that of me, and he isnt unresonable so I dont believe that God condemns same-sex relationships.

End of rant.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear BigBAdWlf,

How fortunate that hit is God who decides who he has a personal relationship with not you. And it also fortunate that God does not base his relationships on prejudice.

But Imana quoted God's word as well, dont you believe I Corinthians 6:9-11 is God's word?
Also you refered to love again, agape isnt sex, Jesus said love each other as He loved, He didnt have sex with everyone.

 

[LogosRhema]

It annoys me that other Christians treat my relationship with another women with contempt and disgust. It annoys me that many gay people are pushed away from the church by negative attitudes based on archaic translations of the Bible which may not even be the correct translation in the first place.

Perhaps most of all it annoys me that those who condemn us dont seem to grasp just how unreasonable it is that they can get married and have happy sexual relationships with the person they love, and we gay people are meant to suck it up and deal with celibacy for all our lives.Im sorry but theres no way thats going to sit with me, it would be unreasonable for God to ask that of me, and he isnt unresonable so I dont believe that God condemns same-sex relationships.

End of rant.

I see your point and by saying that certain Bible translations could be skewed, but you'd have to agree with me, wither it is written in Greek, English, Spanish, Chinese, or any language that certain parts of the Bible are very clear. Said with love, what is said in Corinthians about engaging in "homosexual acts" can't get much clearer, but how you live your walk is between you and God.All I can do is show you where and what is said about certain things in the Bible, if you take them to heart or not is again between you and Christ. I'm not disgusted or have contempt in my heart towards you, in fact I simply pray that you grow closer to God, that's what would be best in my opinion.

I'm annoyed as well with how some of us and how we react to those who sin in general. Instead of reaching out in love we are like chickens and peck at the other's wounds until they die. Quite barbaric and not what I would believe Christ would want for us.

 

[DesignerNate]

Great Post! I get tired of this close-minded narrow thinking a lot of conservative Christians have, and how they choose to preach it. Now the Extreme is going around picketing "Your Son's Burning in Hell", or "God Hates Gays". I think those are lies and I think the way people go about doing that is sinful. I'm not sure that I would consider myself a "proclaiming gay Christian" I am Christian but I'm not confident in my sexual bent to completely accept that I am gay and nothing will change that. But in time I may be.

And I'm not sure how many are on these forums but in my experience participating on DOH portion, I have talked with about 5 or 6 could be more though. I think in my real life experience most of my friends that are Christians have been very supportive when I told them I have homosexual feelings, and most of them still consider it a sin. But when I hear some people that I know talk about homosexuality in such a negative light, it saddens me because I would hope that because they are filled with Christ love it would pour out to everyone they encounter. Especially when people i know say things like "oh that's so gay" or "your gay" (using the word gay as a negative, meaning stupid). I talk to them and say how saying that is hurtful because gay people are people too and they aren't a negative term that is synonymous with stupid.

As a Philosophical person I try to look at this issue in as many angles as I can. Some people have settled on one view point or another and they will stick to their view point and fight for it if necessary. I'm not comfortable with the Christian notion that "its sinful, its an abomination, your going to hell. And I don't think people who hold this viewpoint truly understand the nature of homosexuality. They are closed-minded in their thinking because they fear what they do not understand, or they are scared that they may start to feel that way (because maybe they have or do). At the same time I am cautious to label it "not sinful" because the nature of homosexuality is so sexually driven and I'm not secure and comfortable with simply calling it "ok".

However many Christians I know are generally loving towards this issue, even if they see it as sin. They don't put it on a pedestal and call it worse than other sins (because it's not). And they are generally listening to understand, they ultimately love the person for who they are regardless of what they may feel sexually (because heck sexual identity only makes up such a small portion of who a person is). I think more Christians should be opening to listening and learning (that goes for both gay and straight). We should NEVER hate on each other regardless on whether its sinful and we should ALWAYS try to love, support and understand each other.

I'm still trying to figure this out but I never felt right settling on one side of the issue, while I may be bent to a certain side I always felt that I needed to hear the other side out and listen and learn with what it had to say.

 

[onemessiah]

Dear BigBAdWlf,
But Imana quoted God's word as well, dont you believe I Corinthians 6:9-11 is God's word? [/size][/font]
Also you refered to love again, agape isnt sex, Jesus said love each other as He loved, He didnt have sex with everyone.

How do you know? Jesus was never very open about his sex life.

 

[LogosRhema]

How do you know? Jesus was never very open about his sex life.

Assuming Christ followed Jewish Tradition there would be no sex life proclaimed or to even speak of, as it is not stated in the Bible that He got married. And it would be safe to assume that in His ministry for us that He would not have time for the complications of marriage and raising children. His sole purpose, as we all know, was to die for our sins.

Are you suggesting Christ had sex outside of marriage? Then His crucifixion would mean nothing, as the perfect sacrifice would have been tainted. I'm sorry but I'm going to have to debunk what you just said there. As it makes no logical or philosophical sense.