What, in your opinion, does the rest of society stand to lose a homosexuality becomes more socially acceptable? Like, specifically?
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If you harm the community, it will also harm the homosexuals.Not the homosexual members of that community.
Show how social acceptance of homosexuality "harms" a community?If you harm the community, it will also harm the homosexuals.
Homes where you have both a woman and a man raising the children are what is best for the children. We have all sorts of studies showing that children from families where the father is missing are at risk. Kids need both. Each sex brings something unique to parenting. It's not that being raised by gays is harmful. It's just that, all other things being equal, being raised by one of each is better.What, in your opinion, does the rest of society stand to lose a homosexuality becomes more socially acceptable? Like, specifically?
Actually, all relevant, credible, scientific studies show that children raised by same sex parents are just as likely to have positive outcomes as those raised by hetero parents. Want a link to articles?Homes where you have both a woman and a man raising the children are what is best for the children. We have all sorts of studies showing that children from families where the father is missing are at risk. Kids need both. Each sex brings something unique to parenting. It's not that being raised by gays is harmful. It's just that, all other things being equal, being raised by one of each is better.
Except no one is talking about stopping what has worked. No one's "meddling" with anything, either. There have been single and same sex parents for as long as there have been families. All that would change is that they can be be acknowledged in public.That's what we know. There is also what we don't know. When something has been working for our species for as long as we know, it is hubris to meddle with it without having extraordinary reasons.
But you aren't just advocating the occasional exception of a single parent or spinster aunts raising their orphaned nephew. You are advocating an entirely new paradigm that has never been tried before in history -- that of gay marriages being equally acceptable. IOW you are completely overthrowing the paradigm of mother-father-children. This has been known as the best thing for kids (not the only good thing, I know your studies too) but the BEST thing for kids since time immemorial. It is one of the foundations of civilization. And you want to throw it away.Except no one is talking about stopping what has worked. No one's "meddling" with anything, either. There have been single and same sex parents for as long as there have been families. All that would change is that they can be be acknowledged in public.
Nonsense. Roughly 10% of people are gay, give or take. That leaves 90% of people to keep doing the hetero thing. No one's suggesting traditional families be "overthrown".But you aren't just advocating the occasional exception of a single parent or spinster aunts raising their orphaned nephew. You are advocating an entirely new paradigm that has never been tried before in history -- that of gay marriages being equally acceptable. IOW you are completely overthrowing the paradigm of mother-father-children. This has been known as the best thing for kids (not the only good thing, I know your studies too) but the BEST thing for kids since time immemorial. It is one of the foundations of civilization. And you want to throw it away.
May I ask you why you are Catholic? You obviously don't believe in Catholic teaching regarding marriage and sexual ethics.
You can keep making claims like that, but unless you specify some actual harm you predict will come to children raised by openly gay parents, based on actual specific evidence, you're just making an assumption.This has been known as the best thing for kids (not the only good thing, I know your studies too) but the BEST thing for kids since time immemorial. It is one of the foundations of civilization. And you want to throw it away.
No you may not. Because I'm sick of people inevitably attacking my Catholicism when I ask questions they can't address other ways. Maybe that's not what your doing, but it happens all the time, and I'm over it.May I ask you why you are Catholic?
My beliefs about marriage and sexual ethics are perfectly in line with Catholic teaching, thank you very much. And if we were ONLY talking about Catholics, my responses would be straight out of the catechism. But we're not talking about ONLY Catholics, are we? We're talking about society generally. And while Catholic teaching i a perfectly valid source of discernment for, you know, Catholics, I'm not a theocrat, and I don't support trying to enforce my religious beliefs against non Catholics by co-opting the force of secular law. Secular law should be evidence based, not religious based.You obviously don't believe in Catholic teaching regarding marriage and sexual ethics.
In countries that are more accepting of gays and less religious (like the UK), the number of openly gay or bisexual individuals exceeds 4 or 5 percent of the population. The US seems to be trending in that direction in terms of the percentage of the population that identifies as openly gay.
Nonsense. Roughly 10% of people are gay, give or take. That leaves 90% of people to keep doing the hetero thing. No one's suggesting traditional families be "overthrown".You can keep making claims like that, but unless you specify some actual harm you predict will come to children raised by openly gay parents, based on actual specific evidence, you're just making an assumption.
So do you have any such evidence based reasons?No you may not. Because I'm sick of people inevitably attacking my Catholicism when I ask questions they can't address other ways. Maybe that's not what your doing, but it happens all the time, and I'm over it.My beliefs about marriage and sexual ethics are perfectly in line with Catholic teaching, thank you very much. And if we were ONLY talking about Catholics, my responses would be straight out of the catechism. But we're not talking about ONLY Catholics, are we? We're talking about society generally. And while Catholic teaching i a perfectly valid source of discernment for, you know, Catholics, I'm not a theocrat, and I don't support trying to enforce my religious beliefs against non Catholics by co-opting the force of secular law. Secular law should be evidence based, not religious based.
Two adults falling in love is a crime?Really? You don't think having laws and punishments stops some of the crime? It has certainly stopped me on occasion.
Since the norm of our society is (largely) to deny this minority the same civil rights and legal protections that everyone else enjoys then change is necessary.That is NOT true. They want much more than to be left alone. They want the norms of society changed.
Not that suprising considering people in more religious communities could see their bisexuality as evidence of temptation instead of natural sexuality, or fear of repercussions because of admittance of it.
Did I say it was a crime?Two adults falling in love is a crime?
I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm bi (I choose to be celibate) and I have all the same civil rights as everyone else.Since the norm of our society is (largely) to deny this minority the same civil rights and legal protections that everyone else enjoys then change is necessary.
Loss - off the cuff;What, in your opinion, does the rest of society stand to lose a homosexuality becomes more socially acceptable? Like, specifically?
Are you sure? Do your state laws protect you form being fired because you are bisexual?I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm bi (I choose to be celibate) and I have all the same civil rights as everyone else.
unicorns might sneeze more as wellLoss - off the cuff;
that reality, truth and morality are objective
that marriage is special
stability of the foundation of society
unity within society
cohesiveness within society
further loss of and respect for human dignity
shorter lines and parking for divorce court
that laws should reflect reality/natural law
California only protects in the public work sector, not the private work sector. However, my employer (a Christian non-profit) does not discriminate.Are you sure? Do your state laws protect you form being fired because you are bisexual?
I added your apparent concern for unicorns to the list see edit of #post 115 aboveUnicor
unicorns might sneeze more as well
Your employer doesn't discriminate but you keep quiet because you don't want trouble...California only protects in the public work sector, not the private work sector. However, my employer (a Christian non-profit) does not discriminate.
I don't talk about my sexual preferences at work. Nor do I talk about the fact that I'm celibate. It's no one's business. I don't want trouble. I also worry about trouble from leftist coworkers if I say I'm a Jew, so I don't go around saying I'm a Jew either. Nor do I share who I vote for. I don't understand why people share all sorts of private stuff.