"Hitler was right about the jews" flag on Arizona bridge

[ViaCrucis]

No one 'established' that the National Socialist German Workers Party was not socialist.

They weren't.

"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"

Sorry, but this hee-hawing over "Nazis were socialists" just doesn't comport with the facts of objective history and reality.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Albion]

They weren't. Originally there were socialists in the party, but they took care of that with the purge.

I guess you want to say that the National Socialists were not Stalinists--which is true--but the assumption that Socialism only exists if it follows the Soviet blueprint isn't correct. Surely that point isn't in question. If it were, no one could advocate for Democratic Socialism, but that is done frequently around here.

In addition, if you are referring to The Night of the Long Knives, those people were more revolutionary, I agree, but neither does that mean that the Party (minus those people) could not therefore have been Socialist.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I guess you want to say that the National Socialists were not Stalinists--which is true--but the assumption that Socialism only exists if it follows the Soviet blueprint isn't correct. Surely that point isn't in question. If it were, no one could advocate for Democratic Socialism, but that is done frequently around here.

In addition, if you are referring to The Night of the Long Knives, those people were more revolutionary, I agree, but neither does that mean that the Party (minus those people) could not therefore have been Socialist.

Pastor Niemoller didn't say Stalinists or Bolsheviks. He said Communists, Socialists, and trade unionists.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Albion]

Pastor Niemoller didn't say Stalinists or Bolsheviks. He said Communists, Socialists, and trade unionists.

-CryptoLutheran

Yes, but he was referring to the Democratic Socialists when saying "Socialists," not to the National Socialists. The former were enemies of the latter and the "they came for the Socialists," means that the Nazis came for this progression of enemies of the state, one after another--first the Communists, then the Socialists, then the trade unionists, and so on. He is naming the various groups that were victimized/persecuted/targeted by the National Socialists, i.e. Nazis.

If you are thinking that the Nazis wouldn't persecute Socialists of a somewhat different stripe from their own movement, get rid of that notion pronto.

 

[MehGuy]

Personally I am somewhat mystified why some neo-Nazis/white nationalists deny the Holocaust. From what I can gather they deny it to promote their "causes" in a better light.

I remember once watching a Borat clip which featured Borat (Sacha Baron Cohen who is a Jew in real life) chatting it up with some white nationalist man, and this man told Borat that hte Nazis attempted a glorious thing in trying to exterminate the Jewish race in Europe. At least from this guy.. he wasn't denying the Holocaust. He seemed proud of what the Nazis did. I can understand PR.. but given the kinds of people who are attracted to Neo-Nazism and Hitler's personality.. I'm surprised more are not open and honest about what the Nazis did. Instead of cowardly trying to change history.

One of my good childhood friends growing up was a first generation Russian immigrant. Ironically in Slavic regions of the world Neo-Nazism flourishes the most and some members of my friend's family was no exception. I remember when we were both about 8 he told me about this guy named Hitler and how great he was for trying to kill all the Jews. I doubt my 8 year old friend came up with these thoughts on his own.. so it seems like at least those Neo-Nazis around him accepted the historical event as true and were happy that the Holocaust happened.

 

[prosperity4all]

Neo-Nazi get arrested that say "exterminate all of Jews now" because

Why Jewish students say they fear cloaked anti-Semitism

angry men violently attack jewish rabbi in the head with heavy objects

 

[cow451]

The stunning upswing in anti-Semitism lately comes almost entirely from the political left, not the right.

Explosion of Anti-Semitism on the Left

 

[prosperity4all]

conspiracy theories are driving people to anti-Semitism

https://www.technologyreview.com/20...es-are-driving-people-to-antisemitism-online/


jews did 911 graffiti at University jerusalem post

Officer: Accused synagogue shooter talked of killing Jews

 

[Desk trauma]

Boycott gattiac

 

[anna ~ grace]

is USA Politics becoming more right wing now? because

neo nazis get arrested for putting "Hitler was right about the jews" flag on Arizona bridge

4 men suspected of hanging ‘Hitler was right about the jews" flag on Arizona bridge arrested for trespassing

4 men arrested for hanging ‘Hitler Was Right about the jews" flag on bridge in Arizona

4 men arrested for hanging 'Hitler Was Right about the jews" flag on bridge in Arizona - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Four men arrested for hanging ‘Hitler Was Right about the jews" flag on bridge in US


why do people think the holocaust is hoax?


because

I don't understand

someone please explain





and



why did adolf hitler feel strong desire to kill all the Jewish people in the world?




and






why have Neo Nazis become totally obsessed with killing all the Jewish people in the world now? because



more and more violent attacks on jewish people now because of Anti-Semitism

I saw this all the time in New Jersey. Lots of skin heads there in the 80’s and 90’s. I had stuff thrown at me from passing cars. Kindergartners were threatened with gunfire. Yeshiva students got beat up in the street. A sign is almost nothing.

 

[Carbon]

It's interesting to see people debate whether Nazis were left-wing or right-wing. I could be persuaded either way but it seems to me it's a little of both. Using Stephen Hicks' model the Nazi ideals were:

1. Collectivism, not individualism
2. Economic socialism, not capitalism
3. Nationalism, not internationalism or cosmopolitanism
4. Authoritarianism, not liberal democracy
5. Idealism, not [incremental] politics-as-usual