"Hitler was right about the jews" flag on Arizona bridge

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I guess we should all think that The People's Demcratic Republis of Korea is a Democratic Republic. Of course it is neither.

Ya know, I was going to say "it's a republic, though" then I remembered that the leadership of the DRPK is hereditary. The current leader (assuming he's still alive and his sister hasn't taken over) is the grandson of the first leader, the son of the second, and only the third leader him self. That's monarchy even if there is no law in the country stating a "line of succession" type law.
 
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why do people think the holocaust is hoax?


because

I don't understand

someone please explain

Some of them are just plain ignorant and just find the idea that a whole group of people could be murdered to be "fantastical", but most, one would assume, are hard core, homicidal anti-semites.
 
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That's just sad. Any search engine will direct you to numerous such events.

Of course, it's necessary to realize that not every anti-Semite wears Nazi uniforms and shouts "Heil Hitler," if your idea of what we're talking about here has been shaped by the movies.
Not every neo-nazi wears a swastika and shouts Heil Hitler, but anyone who wears a swastika and shouts Heil Hitler probably is a neo-nazi.
 
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There have been no such events on the left. But the right is constantly waving Nazi flags and Confederate flags.
Except the regular appearance of hammer and sickle and Marxist quotes.
 
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Not every neo-nazi wears a swastika and shouts Heil Hitler, but anyone who wears a swastika and shouts Heil Hitler probably is a neo-nazi.

And almost certainly votes Republican.
 
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Doh!
If you can't see the direct connection to your post, then I'm not going to waste time spelling it out.

Since we established that the Nazis were not socialist, there does not seem to be a direct connection. You may want to work on constructing a more coherent argument.
 
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Many good people vote republican.

Agreed. I think this was one of those category/set theory issues. I.e., "almost all rapists are men, but not all men are rapists". So even if it's true that almost all American neo-Nazis vote Republican, it wasn't necessary to say so.
 
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Since we established that the Nazis were not socialist, there does not seem to be a direct connection. You may want to work on constructing a more coherent argument.
You have yet to show they were not socialist
 
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You have yet to show they were not socialist

What do you think is meant by socialist (in the modern context, in you r own words)?

It is my understanding that the NSDAP is not considered by historians to be a socialist party in the way the contemporary German Socialist and Communist parties were and that the "Socialist" in their name was largely false advertising.
 
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What do you think is meant by socialist (in the modern context, in you r own words)?

It is my understanding that the NSDAP is not considered by historians to be a socialist party in the way the contemporary German Socialist and Communist parties were and that the "Socialist" in their name was largely false advertising.
I'm a nobody so words don't count much.
But here's Merriam Webster.-
Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Obviously Hitler only did some of these, but most modern socialist regimes pick and choose what socialism means to them.
 
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Definition of socialism
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Check. National Socialism controlled/controls the economy completely although it allows some industries to remain in private hands as long as the government controls all the decision-making for them.

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
Well, as with Communism, there is some private property--one's personal effects, for instance--but the government has control over every bit of property if it chooses to do so.

2b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
Check.

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
What that means is that Naziism is a stage of societal development according to Marxist theory, not according to Nazi theory.

It's the Communist way of accounting for National Socialism without admitting that the standard Marxist theory about the evolution of society has some glitches in it.
 
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No one 'established' that the National Socialist German Workers Party was not socialist. :doh:

I think we need to start over.

Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party.

from Were the Nazis Socialists?
 
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Check. National Socialism controlled/controls the economy completely although it allows some industries to remain in private hands as long as the government controls all the decision-making for them.


Well, as with Communism, there is some private property--one's personal effects, for instance--but the government has control over every bit of property if it chooses to do so.


Check.


What that means is that Naziism is a stage of societal development according to Marxist theory, not according to Nazi theory.

It's the Communist way of accounting for National Socialism without admitting that the standard Marxist theory about the evolution of society has some glitches in it.
In my view, today's NWO socialism is closer to Fascism that western traditional socialism.

The big difference is that it's no longer about the working classes, but about the oligarchy that rules jointly with the politicians.
The EU is a great example of Fascism at work, masquerading as democracy.
It has a parliament full of elected MEPs, but they have absolutely no power to initiate legislation. They are just a sham, a shop window display for a pretend democracy.

Legislation is the preserve of the EU Commission, a completely antidemocratic cabal of appointees. They aren't elected, and cannot be sacked.

Globalist corporations have easy and plenty of access to the commission to ensure legislation benefits their particular sector.
Effectively, EU rulership is about horse trading between big corporations and big politicians. That's why the globalists did their damnedest to destroy the Brexit vote.

But what is really interesting is that it was the major banking corporations and industrial cartels that put Hitler into power. They knew that centralising the economy would make huge profits for them, as long as they had close influence with the Chancellor, which they did.
 
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Ah, yet another person who thinks Hitler was a right winger!
For your information, Hitler and his Nazi Party were all socialists. The clue is in the Nazi name. The National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party
As can be seen, the Nazis were all socialist worker, but since the war, in order to whitewash western socialist parties, the media has gone overboard in labelling the Nazis as right wing instead of left!
Hitler was always a Fascist, as was his Axis pal, Mussolini. Mussolini started off as a communist before he developed his own version of left wing politics calling it Fascism!

Whether Hitler or Mussolini, their Fascist parties specialised in thuggery to get their political power.
Sadly, in yet another inversion of truth, one of the worst examples of fascism today is ANTIFA, a so called anti Fascist group whose activities are modelled precisely on the Fascist parties of Europe from the 40s.

Next in line for todays Fascist activity is of course BLM who again model the 1940s fascism to force their opinion on the country.

Just to clarify, Facism is a far-right philosophy, not left.
 
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