Historicism - The Reformers eschatology

[RACarvalho]

If anyone wants to comment and share ideas about the below, please go ahead!:

A short summary on the history of the Antichrist:

Warning: This is an extremely condensed summary of the fulfillment of Bible Prophecy about the Antichrist in history during the last 2000 years. There are way more details in Revelation that where perfectly accomplished in History that are not part of this summary.

For complete details, please refer to:

“Romanism and the Protestant reformation from the stand point of prophecy” – Henry Grattan Guinness

“Horae Apocalypticae” – Edward Bishop Elliot

Summary:

312AD – Constantine (a politician) declares Christianity the religion of the Roman Empire and the clay (the believers, Isaiah 64:8) mixes with the Iron (Rome) – Fulfilling Daniel 2:33. The great apostasy of II Tess. 2 starts for many compromise the faith for power and prestige.

476AD – Western Roman Empire falls – 10 kingdoms raise from that fall – the 10 fingers of clay and Iron of Daniel 2 and the 10 horns of Daniel 7:24, Revelation 13 and 17. The only leadership position left standing from the former empire is the Bishop of Rome, the little horn.

533AD – Justinian (a politician) declares the primacy of the Bishop of Rome – The little horn of Daniel 7:8 gains power.

538AD – After delivering the city of Rome from the Ostrogoth, Justinian decree is enforced in Rome – Antichrist (Papacy) is set in power at Rome. 2 Tess. 2:4 fulfilled. The Ostrogoth were the last one of the three horns (the other two where the Herulli and the Vandals) that the little horn would destroy in its rising according to the prophecy in Daniel 7:8.

1590AD – Pope become the False Prophet of Revelation 13 when they create a false interpretation of Daniel 9:27 (antichrist in a 7 year tribulation in the future) to hide the fact, preached by Protestants, that the history of the papacy fulfills everything that is told in the bible about the antichrist and therefore the papacy is the Antichrist foretold by Daniel, Paul and John.

1798AD – Napoleon arrests the Pope and seize his properties, inflicting the mortal wound to the first Beast (Europe dominated by the Pope) of Rev. 13. The 1st beast of revelation 13 reigns exactly 1260 years (42 prophetic months, 538 - 1798) as the prophecy states in Rev. 13:5.

1929AD – The mortal wound is healed and the Vatican becomes once again a country in which the king is the pope – the beast is healed but this time clothes itself like the Lamb Jesus (piety and humble) but continues to speak like the devil (false/against Christ doctrines).

1954AD – The False Prophet of Revelation 13(the Pope) starts creating the image of the previous beast – The European Union as foretold in Revelation 13

Present – Under the unified leadership of the Popery three powers - the economic powers of Europe (Dragon), the political powers of the United Europe (Beast) and the pope himself (False Prophet) - work to gather the world (Globalization) against God for Armageddon – the Final fight against God is on the works, fulfilling Revelation 16:13.

 

[HTacianas]

If anyone wants to comment and share ideas about the below, please go ahead!:

A short summary on the history of the Antichrist:

Warning: This is an extremely condensed summary of the fulfillment of Bible Prophecy about the Antichrist in history during the last 2000 years. There are way more details in Revelation that where perfectly accomplished in History that are not part of this summary.

For complete details, please refer to:

“Romanism and the Protestant reformation from the stand point of prophecy” – Henry Grattan Guinness

“Horae Apocalypticae” – Edward Bishop Elliot

Summary:

312AD – Constantine (a politician) declares Christianity the religion of the Roman Empire and the clay (the believers, Isaiah 64:8) mixes with the Iron (Rome) – Fulfilling Daniel 2:33. The great apostasy of II Tess. 2 starts for many compromise the faith for power and prestige.

476AD – Western Roman Empire falls – 10 kingdoms raise from that fall – the 10 fingers of clay and Iron of Daniel 2 and the 10 horns of Daniel 7:24, Revelation 13 and 17. The only leadership position left standing from the former empire is the Bishop of Rome, the little horn.

533AD – Justinian (a politician) declares the primacy of the Bishop of Rome – The little horn of Daniel 7:8 gains power.

538AD – After delivering the city of Rome from the Ostrogoth, Justinian decree is enforced in Rome – Antichrist (Papacy) is set in power at Rome. 2 Tess. 2:4 fulfilled. The Ostrogoth were the last one of the three horns (the other two where the Herulli and the Vandals) that the little horn would destroy in its rising according to the prophecy in Daniel 7:8.

1590AD – Pope become the False Prophet of Revelation 13 when they create a false interpretation of Daniel 9:27 (antichrist in a 7 year tribulation in the future) to hide the fact, preached by Protestants, that the history of the papacy fulfills everything that is told in the bible about the antichrist and therefore the papacy is the Antichrist foretold by Daniel, Paul and John.

1798AD – Napoleon arrests the Pope and seize his properties, inflicting the mortal wound to the first Beast (Europe dominated by the Pope) of Rev. 13. The 1st beast of revelation 13 reigns exactly 1260 years (42 prophetic months, 538 - 1798) as the prophecy states in Rev. 13:5.

1929AD – The mortal wound is healed and the Vatican becomes once again a country in which the king is the pope – the beast is healed but this time clothes itself like the Lamb Jesus (piety and humble) but continues to speak like the devil (false/against Christ doctrines).

1954AD – The False Prophet of Revelation 13(the Pope) starts creating the image of the previous beast – The European Union as foretold in Revelation 13

Present – Under the unified leadership of the Popery three powers - the economic powers of Europe (Dragon), the political powers of the United Europe (Beast) and the pope himself (False Prophet) - work to gather the world (Globalization) against God for Armageddon – the Final fight against God is on the works, fulfilling Revelation 16:13.

Why would the Pope want to work against God?

 

[Barney2.0]

Because he is not a converted Christian but a servant of the devil - he is the Antichrist.
Please notice that the papacy institution was put in place by ROMAN POLITICIANS.
The bishop of Rome himself was elected by the Emperor, a politician.
Through the preaching of the Gospel, Jesus detroned the devil during the Roman empire for people would stop worshiping the Emperor to only worship Jesus.
The devil counteracted creating a "christian leadership" to control and destroy the true church(papacy was put in place by a Roman politician and not created up until 500 years AFTER Jesus).
See, this is history already, you don't need faith to believe in that, you just need to compare the papacy actions with what is written in Daniel, Paul letters and Revelation and see that it is the Antichrist.
Jesus didn't create an institution... Jesus created a Family....
Eklesia (Church in Greek) is just a gathering of believers, exactly how Jesus said: Were two or three are gathered in my name there I will be with them....
The papacy is a devil creation and their acts and the witnessing of the prophecies prove that.

I see lots of conspiracy theories and little facts. If you say the devil counteracted the original plan of Jesus and Jesus is sitting helpless in heaven, then the devil is smarter and stronger then Jesus or God is.

 

[LastSeven]

If anyone wants to comment and share ideas about the below, please go ahead!:

A short summary on the history of the Antichrist:

Warning: This is an extremely condensed summary of the fulfillment of Bible Prophecy about the Antichrist in history during the last 2000 years. There are way more details in Revelation that where perfectly accomplished in History that are not part of this summary.

For complete details, please refer to:

“Romanism and the Protestant reformation from the stand point of prophecy” – Henry Grattan Guinness

“Horae Apocalypticae” – Edward Bishop Elliot

Summary:

312AD – Constantine (a politician) declares Christianity the religion of the Roman Empire and the clay (the believers, Isaiah 64:8) mixes with the Iron (Rome) – Fulfilling Daniel 2:33. The great apostasy of II Tess. 2 starts for many compromise the faith for power and prestige.

476AD – Western Roman Empire falls – 10 kingdoms raise from that fall – the 10 fingers of clay and Iron of Daniel 2 and the 10 horns of Daniel 7:24, Revelation 13 and 17. The only leadership position left standing from the former empire is the Bishop of Rome, the little horn.

533AD – Justinian (a politician) declares the primacy of the Bishop of Rome – The little horn of Daniel 7:8 gains power.

538AD – After delivering the city of Rome from the Ostrogoth, Justinian decree is enforced in Rome – Antichrist (Papacy) is set in power at Rome. 2 Tess. 2:4 fulfilled. The Ostrogoth were the last one of the three horns (the other two where the Herulli and the Vandals) that the little horn would destroy in its rising according to the prophecy in Daniel 7:8.

1590AD – Pope become the False Prophet of Revelation 13 when they create a false interpretation of Daniel 9:27 (antichrist in a 7 year tribulation in the future) to hide the fact, preached by Protestants, that the history of the papacy fulfills everything that is told in the bible about the antichrist and therefore the papacy is the Antichrist foretold by Daniel, Paul and John.

1798AD – Napoleon arrests the Pope and seize his properties, inflicting the mortal wound to the first Beast (Europe dominated by the Pope) of Rev. 13. The 1st beast of revelation 13 reigns exactly 1260 years (42 prophetic months, 538 - 1798) as the prophecy states in Rev. 13:5.

1929AD – The mortal wound is healed and the Vatican becomes once again a country in which the king is the pope – the beast is healed but this time clothes itself like the Lamb Jesus (piety and humble) but continues to speak like the devil (false/against Christ doctrines).

1954AD – The False Prophet of Revelation 13(the Pope) starts creating the image of the previous beast – The European Union as foretold in Revelation 13

Present – Under the unified leadership of the Popery three powers - the economic powers of Europe (Dragon), the political powers of the United Europe (Beast) and the pope himself (False Prophet) - work to gather the world (Globalization) against God for Armageddon – the Final fight against God is on the works, fulfilling Revelation 16:13.

Very interesting. Just a few questions.

1. Do you have a reference for the ten kingdoms that came out of the Western Roman Empire? Preferably online.

2. According to Wikipedia "The Ostrogothic Papacy period ran from 493 to 537." So how does 538, rather than 493, mark the beginning of the 1260 years?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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A short summary on the history of the Antichrist:

........and the pope himself (False Prophet) - work to gather the world (Globalization) against God for Armageddon – the Final fight against God is on the works, fulfilling Revelation 16:13.

My goodness, another anti-papacy thread.
Are you sure you're Baptist and not Lutheran?

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...es-the-antichrist-over-500-years-ago.6814752/
Martin Luther identifies the Antichrist over 500 years ago!

The quote copied below is from one of Martin Luther's last books. It was titled: "A Prelude by Martin Luther on the Babylonian Captivity of the Church".

Page 536, chapter 3.

"Nevertheless, since few know this glory of baptism and the blessedness of Christian liberty, and cannot know them because of the tyranny of the pope, I for one will walk away from it all and redeem my conscience by bringing this charge against the pope and all his papists:
Unless they will abolish their laws and traditions, and restore to Christ's churches their liberty and have it taught among them, they are guilty of all the souls that perish under this miserable captivity, and the papacy is truly the kingdom of Babylon, yes, the kingdom of the real Antichrist!

For who is " the man of sin" and "the son of perdition" but he that with his doctrines and his laws increases sins and the perdition of souls in the Church, while he sits in the Church as if he were God? All this the papal tyranny has fulfilled, and more than fulfilled, these many centuries. It has extinguished faith, obscured the sacraments and oppressed the Gospel."

 

[RACarvalho]

I see lots of conspiracy theories and little facts. If you say the devil counteracted the original plan of Jesus and Jesus is sitting helpless in heaven, then the devil is smarter and stronger then Jesus or God is.

This is not a conspiracy theory and certainly the Devil didn't do anything that Jesus have not foretold.
Jesus opened the seals in Heaven and put down the Pagan Roman Empire, then Jesus ordered the sounding of the trumpets and put down the power of the "Holy Roman Empire" (the Catholic Church dominating Europe - First beast of Revelation 13) since then, Atheism was poured over France (first bow of Judgement) and Jesus is ordering the bows of Judgement to be poured.
All of that has being happening in the last ~2000 years and were FORETOLD by God before it started to happen.
God foretold the apostasy and it's consequence.... God is in control all the time.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

........
Jesus opened the seals in Heaven and put down the Pagan Roman Empire, then Jesus ordered the sounding of the trumpets and put down the power of the "Holy Roman Empire" (the Catholic Church dominating Europe - First beast of Revelation 13) since then, Atheism was poured over France (first bow of Judgement) and Jesus is ordering the bows of Judgement to be poured.
All of that has being happening in the last ~2000 years and were FORETOLD by God before it started to happen.
God foretold the apostasy and it's consequence.... God is in control all the time.

May I ask if you believe the great City in Revelation is Vatican City in Rome?

After all, the Roman denarius is mentioned in Revelation.........

Luke 20:
23 But He perceived their craftiness, and said unto them,
24 "Show me a denarius. Whose image and superscription hath it?"
And they said, "Caesar's".

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".

Revelation 18:13
“and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah!

 

[RACarvalho]

Very interesting. Just a few questions.

1. Do you have a reference for the ten kingdoms that came out of the Western Roman Empire? Preferably online.

2. According to Wikipedia "The Ostrogothic Papacy period ran from 493 to 537." So how does 538, rather than 493, mark the beginning of the 1260 years?

1 - The ten kingdows are: Vandals, Suevi, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Heruli, Franks, Allemani, Huns, Lombards, and Burgundians.
2 - Emperor Justinian issued his decree in 534 but by that time Rome was under Gothic control. Being under gothic leadership (which didn't recognize Justinian decree) the bishop of Rome didn't have the power over all churches.
Justinian took over the city of Rome in 538 and enforced his rule there by then so that is the reason 538 is considered the start point because that is when the pope had Justinian armies available to impose his power.
Again, a politician enforcing the papacy over the churches.... Nothing could be more far from Gods way of doing things (not by power, not by might, but by my Spirit...) than this.

 

[RACarvalho]

My goodness, another anti-papacy thread.
Are you sure you're Baptist and not Lutheran?"

1689 London Baptist Confession of faith:
4. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
( Colossians 1:18; Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:11, 12; 2 Thessalonians 2:2-9 )"

Laodicea is blind.

 

[RACarvalho]

May I ask if you believe the great City in Revelation is Vatican City in Rome?

After all, the Roman denarius is mentioned in Revelation.........

Luke 20:
23 But He perceived their craftiness, and said unto them,
24 "Show me a denarius. Whose image and superscription hath it?"
And they said, "Caesar's".

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".

Revelation 18:13
“and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah!

 

[RACarvalho]

The symbol of "City" refers to a religion.
See that revelation says that the wore is Mystery Babylon, she is the great city that rules over the world - The apostate Roman Catholic Church.
Therefore a "city" is a religion.
The prices mentioned during the opening of the third seal were the prices in the market by 212dc... Internal civil war caused inflation and what was an absurd price when revelation was written became reality by 212.
There were two encompassing of Jerusalem, one in 66 by Cestius and another one by Titus later.
That is the reason the believers in Jesus could escape...
They saw the first one and as soon as it was over they flew to Pela as Jesus commanded then to do in Matthew 24....
Matthew 24 happened in full between 66 and 70dc

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

If anyone wants to comment and share ideas about the below, please go ahead!:

A short summary on the history of the Antichrist:

Warning: This is an extremely condensed summary of the fulfillment of Bible Prophecy about the Antichrist in history during the last 2000 years. There are way more details in Revelation that where perfectly accomplished in History that are not part of this summary.

For complete details, please refer to:

“Romanism and the Protestant reformation from the stand point of prophecy” – Henry Grattan Guinness

“Horae Apocalypticae” – Edward Bishop Elliot

Summary:

312AD – Constantine (a politician) declares Christianity the religion of the Roman Empire and the clay (the believers, Isaiah 64:8) mixes with the Iron (Rome) – Fulfilling Daniel 2:33. The great apostasy of II Tess. 2 starts for many compromise the faith for power and prestige.

476AD – Western Roman Empire falls – 10 kingdoms raise from that fall – the 10 fingers of clay and Iron of Daniel 2 and the 10 horns of Daniel 7:24, Revelation 13 and 17. The only leadership position left standing from the former empire is the Bishop of Rome, the little horn.

533AD – Justinian (a politician) declares the primacy of the Bishop of Rome – The little horn of Daniel 7:8 gains power.

538AD – After delivering the city of Rome from the Ostrogoth, Justinian decree is enforced in Rome – Antichrist (Papacy) is set in power at Rome. 2 Tess. 2:4 fulfilled. The Ostrogoth were the last one of the three horns (the other two where the Herulli and the Vandals) that the little horn would destroy in its rising according to the prophecy in Daniel 7:8.

1590AD – Pope become the False Prophet of Revelation 13 when they create a false interpretation of Daniel 9:27 (antichrist in a 7 year tribulation in the future) to hide the fact, preached by Protestants, that the history of the papacy fulfills everything that is told in the bible about the antichrist and therefore the papacy is the Antichrist foretold by Daniel, Paul and John.

1798AD – Napoleon arrests the Pope and seize his properties, inflicting the mortal wound to the first Beast (Europe dominated by the Pope) of Rev. 13. The 1st beast of revelation 13 reigns exactly 1260 years (42 prophetic months, 538 - 1798) as the prophecy states in Rev. 13:5.

1929AD – The mortal wound is healed and the Vatican becomes once again a country in which the king is the pope – the beast is healed but this time clothes itself like the Lamb Jesus (piety and humble) but continues to speak like the devil (false/against Christ doctrines).

1954AD – The False Prophet of Revelation 13(the Pope) starts creating the image of the previous beast – The European Union as foretold in Revelation 13

Present – Under the unified leadership of the Popery three powers - the economic powers of Europe (Dragon), the political powers of the United Europe (Beast) and the pope himself (False Prophet) - work to gather the world (Globalization) against God for Armageddon – the Final fight against God is on the works, fulfilling Revelation 16:13.

this makes no sense and is reading into the prophecies what you want them to say. The beast that survives the mortal wound in given 42 months of dominion over the whole world with the 2nd beast enforcing the global mark of the beast and a execution by beheading for not receiving the mark. Perhaps these things are actually going to happen as written. And all the other prophecies that are complexly intertwined will all be literally fulfilled. You know that Israel is a nation and they have prepared everything necessary to resume the temple sacrifices. This is happening when moral values have declined to rival the days of Sodom. The move towards a one world government and financial system is making a final push towards becoming a reality. The historical views are sticking your heads in the sand to the obvious news that these things are going to happen and that Daniels 70th week is future and the 7 year tribulation the beast has exactly 3 1/2 years to rule as Daniel described teh abomination of desolation would put an end to the sacrifices in the middle of the week. The return of the sacrifice is hugely significant and great evidence that this is going to play out as written not historically deduced.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

1689 London Baptist Confession of faith:
4. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
( Colossians 1:18; Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:11, 12; 2 Thessalonians 2:2-9 )"

Laodicea is blind.

Perhaps 1 reason the EOC separated from the RCC back in the great Schism of 1054.

According to this site, they come down on the Roman Papacy almost as hard as Luther did.....

http://www.orthodoxheritage.org/MOM 08 2007.htm

On July 10, 2007, Pope Benedict XVI reasserted the “universal primacy” of his Roman Catholic church, approving a document released on Tuesday, July 10, 2007, proclaiming that Orthodox Churches are “defective.”
This was the Pontiff’s latest manner of insulting Jesus Christ and His True Church...............

...........Papal primacy, with its infamous and inane self-proclamation of infallibility, is the most damaging heresy ever to wage war against the true Church and Body of Christ, and it has been waging this war for over a thousand years.
The Pope shamelessly proclaims to the world that the Papacy is the Church that Christ founded on earth.

No wonder the name of Christ is blasphemed among the nations, for the Pope is not at all like Christ. Christ said of Himself, Take my yoke upon you and learn of me for I am meek and humble in my heart and you shall find rest for your souls. (Mt 11:29).

 

[LastSeven]

1 - The ten kingdows are: Vandals, Suevi, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Heruli, Franks, Allemani, Huns, Lombards, and Burgundians.

Do you know of an online source where I can verify this and read about these ten kingdoms?

 

[jgr]

this makes no sense and is reading into the prophecies what you want them to say. The beast that survives the mortal wound in given 42 months of dominion over the whole world with the 2nd beast enforcing the global mark of the beast and a execution by beheading for not receiving the mark. Perhaps these things are actually going to happen as written. And all the other prophecies that are complexly intertwined will all be literally fulfilled. You know that Israel is a nation and they have prepared everything necessary to resume the temple sacrifices. This is happening when moral values have declined to rival the days of Sodom. The move towards a one world government and financial system is making a final push towards becoming a reality. The historical views are sticking your heads in the sand to the obvious news that these things are going to happen and that Daniels 70th week is future and the 7 year tribulation the beast has exactly 3 1/2 years to rule as Daniel described teh abomination of desolation would put an end to the sacrifices in the middle of the week. The return of the sacrifice is hugely significant and great evidence that this is going to play out as written not historically deduced.

The historicist recognition of fulfillment is certainly anathema to the futurist "interpretation by imagination".

The Reformers' understanding of the antichrist of the apostate papacy was integral and essential to the success of the Reformation, without which the futurists who attack it would not be in existence today.

There is no ethnically distinguishable "Israel" today insofar as its DNA is found in the entire human race. The Jewish community, which today is exclusively religiocultural, itself acknowledges and applauds this reality, which is confirmable in science, both genetically and mathematically.

There is no future decapitated 70th week of Daniel. It was completely and perfectly fulfilled by Christ and His accomplishments at Calvary.

The dogma of a futurized antichrist originated in the Jesuit arm of the apostate papacy's counter-reformation.

 

[RACarvalho]

this makes no sense and is reading into the prophecies what you want them to say.

I will respond about the mortal wound on another post but as for what is going on today:
Revelation 16:13 - Three forces gather the world - This is exactly what is happening right now with the economic powers, the political powers and the papacy joining forces to gather the world on Globalization which, not coincidently, require that true Christianity be wipe out of existence.

7 years of Great Tribulation doesn't exist in the Bible.

Yes there is Great Tribulation and it is mentioned even in the beginning of Revelation (the saints were already under great tribulation even before Revelation was written, it is continuing until today and it will go to the end)
It is clearly documented in History that ALL reformers preached and teach, using history, that the papacy is the Antichrist spoken of by Daniel, Paul and John.
With that preaching they were able to get, in less than 300 years, 1/2 Europe to abandon the pagan Roman Catholicism and to come to faith in Jesus Christ alone. So we know them by their fruit.
It is also well documented how the Jesuits fought protestants using this "7 years of tribulation in the future" lie. Again, THE ENEMY OF CHRIST invented and used this against the Church!!! You know them by their fruit...
And finally, all this 7 year tribulation lie is based on the wrong interpretation of Daniel 9:27 where they commit their ultimate blasphemy and call Jesus the Antichrist.
This is what all their Futurism boils to: You change Christ in Daniel 9:27 to Antichrist and then you get 7 years of tribulation in the future...
Daniel 9:27 is talking about the "PRINCE" that is to come and the "PRINCE" was already defined in Daniel 9:25 as Messiah, the Prince.
Jesus confirmed the covenant with the believing Jews for 7 years (3.5 years of Jesus preaching and 3.5 years of the disciples preaching, until Stephen was stoned) : Salvation comes from the Jews. In the middle of the week Jesus caused the sacrifice and oblation to become invalid, after Jesus death, sacrifice and oblation will not reach God anymore and if performed, would be an abomination for it shows complete rejection of Jesus. That is the reason the following sentence is " the overspreading of abominations", meaning the Jews continue to offer sacrifices and oblations, rejecting Christ, then, because of their rejection and blasphemy, Jesus made Jerusalem desolate....
The Jews expected Messiah to deliver them from the Romans but because the Jews rejected and killed Jesus, Jesus commanded the Romans to destroy Jerusalem, the same way God commanded the Babylonian army to destroy the first temple and the city....
See that Stephen was killed because he was preaching that Jesus would destroy the city (Acts 6:14)
Jesus is the one ref. to in Daniel 9:27 and not Antichrist.
All of that was accomplished in 70dc so there is nothing in the bible referring to a 7 years of great tribulation in the future.
true Christians are being slaughter, mostly by the Antichrist popery, for 2000 years and THAT is a pretty great tribulation.

 

[Barney2.0]

1 - The ten kingdows are: Vandals, Suevi, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Heruli, Franks, Allemani, Huns, Lombards, and Burgundians.
2 - Emperor Justinian issued his decree in 534 but by that time Rome was under Gothic control. Being under gothic leadership (which didn't recognize Justinian decree) the bishop of Rome didn't have the power over all churches.
Justinian took over the city of Rome in 538 and enforced his rule there by then so that is the reason 538 is considered the start point because that is when the pope had Justinian armies available to impose his power.
Again, a politician enforcing the papacy over the churches.... Nothing could be more far from Gods way of doing things (not by power, not by might, but by my Spirit...) than this.

There was no such thing as Papal supremacy, the Bishop of Rome was one of many Patriarchs nothing more. The Ostrogoths were Arians and oppressed all Trinitarian Christians including the Church of Rome, so if aiding a Christian Church against the oppression of heretics is called enforcing papacy on the Churches, then you need to read more history.

 

[Barney2.0]

The symbol of "City" refers to a religion.
See that revelation says that the wore is Mystery Babylon, she is the great city that rules over the world - The apostate Roman Catholic Church.
Therefore a "city" is a religion.
The prices mentioned during the opening of the third seal were the prices in the market by 212dc... Internal civil war caused inflation and what was an absurd price when revelation was written became reality by 212.
There were two encompassing of Jerusalem, one in 66 by Cestius and another one by Titus later.
That is the reason the believers in Jesus could escape...
They saw the first one and as soon as it was over they flew to Pela as Jesus commanded then to do in Matthew 24....
Matthew 24 happened in full between 66 and 70dc

Rome is not visited and payed respects by all people, Rome does not sit on seven hills. Mecca sits on seven hills and is payed respects by all people, it’s Kaaba decorated with the finest silk, fragrances, and incense. From Mecca a traditional city there are horses, oil, jewels, and souls of men.

 

[jgr]

Do you know of an online source where I can verify this and read about these ten kingdoms?

www.danielbibleprophecy.org/ten_divisions_of_rome.html

Edward Gibbon is a recognized authority.

 

[Barney2.0]

This is not a conspiracy theory and certainly the Devil didn't do anything that Jesus have not foretold.
Jesus opened the seals in Heaven and put down the Pagan Roman Empire, then Jesus ordered the sounding of the trumpets and put down the power of the "Holy Roman Empire" (the Catholic Church dominating Europe - First beast of Revelation 13) since then, Atheism was poured over France (first bow of Judgement) and Jesus is ordering the bows of Judgement to be poured.
All of that has being happening in the last ~2000 years and were FORETOLD by God before it started to happen.
God foretold the apostasy and it's consequence.... God is in control all the time.

Yet the devil outsmarted Jesus (according to you) by founding the Catholic Church?