Hippolytus 170-235AD, A Literal Future Antichrist A Jew, That Will Sit In A Temple In Jerus

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Hippo saw a future Antichrist that will be a Jew, that is going to sit in a literal temple in Jerusalem made of stone.

Hippolytus Of Rome 170-235AD, Treatise On Christ And Antichrist, Chapter 6

6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem. And his seductive arts we shall exhibit in what follows. But for the present let us turn to the question in hand.
 
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Hippo saw a future Antichrist that will be a Jew, that is going to sit in a literal temple in Jerusalem made of stone.

Hippolytus Of Rome 170-235AD, Treatise On Christ And Antichrist, Chapter 6

6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem. And his seductive arts we shall exhibit in what follows. But for the present let us turn to the question in hand.

Hippolytus also predicted that Christ would set up the Millennium in 496 AD.

This means he was a man like us, and not a prophet of God.


https://www.preteristarchive.com/205_hippolytus_commentary-on-daniel/

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Hippo saw a future Antichrist that will be a Jew, that is going to sit in a literal temple in Jerusalem made of stone.

Hippolytus Of Rome 170-235AD, Treatise On Christ And Antichrist, Chapter 6

6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem. And his seductive arts we shall exhibit in what follows. But for the present let us turn to the question in hand.

He may have been wrong about the time of Christ's return but these are very salient points.
In fact I have one to add to the list.

When Jesus Christ was born, there was a wonder in the heavens. Virgo the virgin was clothed with the sun, the moon beneath her feet, and a crown of twelve stars about her head. The constellation Leo, the lion. And she gave birth (the planet Jupiter passed from her womb where it had been for nine months, through the birth canal)

This sign has appeared twice now. Once at the Birth of Christ, and once last sept 23.
 
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Hippolytus also predicted that Christ would set up the Millennium in 496 AD.

This means he was a man like us, and not a prophet of God.


https://www.preteristarchive.com/205_hippolytus_commentary-on-daniel/

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Just as you quote below, ignore the fact that verse 15 below "The Abomination Of Desolation" causes verses16-21 to take place, as verses 29-30 follow's the tribulation of "Those Day's"

You teach in error that verse 15 in the abomination of desolation took place in 167BC with Antiochus Epiphanes, And In 66-70AD in the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, and you teach this tribulation is ongoing?

Scripture clearly teaches these are future events, as all three events, the abomination of desolation, great tribulation, and second advent are tied together by "The Time Stamp" "Those Day's" as they are all dependent upon one another to take place.

Verse 15: They See The Abomination And Flee To The Mountains
Verse 19: "Those Day's"
Verse 21: "Then" Shall Be Great Tribulation
Verse 29: Immediately After The Tribulation Of "Those Day's"
Verse 30: They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming

"The Scripture You Ignore To Make Your System Of Interpretation Work"

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BABerean: "All false systems of interpretation are exposed not by the scripture quoted by its proponents, but by the scripture they must ignore to make it work".

Matthew 24:15-30KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
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You teach in error that verse 15 in the abomination of desolation took place in 167BC with Antiochus Epiphanes,

Based on John 10:22, every Jew during the time of Christ knew the above to be the truth.

Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar would happen during 70 AD.

The proof is found in Luke 19:41-44.

Luke 21:20-24 proves the same thing.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days" in Matthew 24:29 is when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, at the future Second Coming of Christ.


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Based on John 10:22, every Jew during the time of Christ knew the above to be the truth.

Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar would happen during 70 AD.

The proof is found in Luke 19:41-44.

Luke 21:20-24 proves the same thing.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days" in Matthew 24:29 is when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, at the future Second Coming of Christ.


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In Matthew 24:29 "Immediately & Those Day's" are directly tied to "Those Day's" In Matthew 24:19, You Can't Have A separation of 2000 plus years.
 
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Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!


Luk 23:26 And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.
Luk 23:27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.
Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Luk 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

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Based on John 10:22, every Jew during the time of Christ knew the above to be the truth.

Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar would happen during 70 AD.

The proof is found in Luke 19:41-44.

Luke 21:20-24 proves the same thing.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days" in Matthew 24:29 is when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, at the future Second Coming of Christ.


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You are accurate. There are actually two different acountings in the Gospels. One is about the 70A.D. destruction, the other is about the end times. I will post a detailed video on this tomorrow.

Point of fact for research, all of the Christians in and near Jerusalem evacuated the area before the temples 70A.ad. destruction because of Christ's detailed warning. The other warning however says, "that after these things"...

I will post the specifics with references tomorrow.
 
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You are accurate. There are actually two different acountings in the Gospels. One is about the 70A.D. destruction, the other is about the end times. I will post a detailed video on this tomorrow.

Point of fact for research, all of the Christians in and near Jerusalem evacuated the area before the temples 70A.ad. destruction because of Christ's detailed warning. The other warning however says, "that after these things"...

I will post the specifics with references tomorrow.

You are correct.
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Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:

Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.



Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)


Luk 21:5  Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 

Luk 21:6  "These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down." 

(Mat 24:2  And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." )





Luk 21:7  So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?" 

(Mat 24:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")

( Mar 13:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 

Mar 13:4  "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?") 





Luk 21:8  And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them. 

(Mat 24:5  For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. )



Luk 21:9  But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."

(Mat 24:6  And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.) 



Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution



Luk 21:10  Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:11  And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:12  But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:9  "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.) (Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)



Luk 21:13  But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 

Luk 21:14  Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 

Luk 21:15  for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 

Luk 21:16  You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 

Luk 21:17  And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:10  And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. )



Luk 21:18  But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 

Luk 21:19  By your patience possess your souls. 

(Mat 24:13  But he who endures to the end shall be saved.) 



Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem



Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 

(Mat 24:15  "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 



Luk 21:21  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 

(Mat 24:16  "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.) 



Luk 21:22  For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 

Luk 21:23  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 

(Mat 24:19  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! )



Luk 21:24  And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ.)


The Coming of the Son of Man



Luk 21:25  "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 

(Mat 24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.) 



Luk 21:26  men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 

Luk 21:27  Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 

(Mat 24:30  Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.) 



Luk 21:28  Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." 

(Mat 24:33  So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!)

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.


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Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!


Luk 23:26 And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.
Luk 23:27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.
Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Luk 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

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Matthew 24:15-31

You Can't Have A 66-70AD Abomination Of Desolation In Verse 15, That causes "Great Tribulation" In Verse 21, And The "Second Advent" That Immediately Follows This Tribulation, With The Clear Words "Those Day's" Marking All Three As "Future Events"

You Can't Have a 66-70AD To This Present Time Tribulation, Ain't In The Scripture.

You Post The Same Verses Over And Over, That Do Not Answer The Fact's Of Scripture Presented.

"Those Day's" Apply To A Specific Time Frame, Not Separated By 2,000 Years As You Teach.
 
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You Can't Have a 66-70AD To This Present Time Tribulation, Ain't In The Scripture.

Really...

Mat_13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Joh_16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Act_14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Rom_5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Rom_8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Rom_12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

2Co_1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2Co_7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.

1Th_3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.


Rev_1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev_2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Which Bible translation are you using?

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Mat_13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Joh_16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Act_14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Rom_5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Rom_8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Rom_12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

2Co_1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2Co_7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.

1Th_3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.


Rev_1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev_2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Which Bible translation are you using?

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Berean You Try To Pass Verse 21 below "Great Tribulation" as everyday tribulation that christians experience? 100% "False"!

This is defined to a specific period of time that is caused by Daniel's abomination of desolation seen in verse 15.

Good try, but no cigar!

Three events seen in Matthew 24:15-31 are Future, Just as the Early Church Fathers Taught.

Matthew 24:15-31 King James Version (KJV)
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
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19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Do you think it is just a coincidence that the passage above and the passage below both refer to nursing mothers?
Who was Jesus talking to in Luke 23:27-31?
Were some of those same women alive 40 years later during 70 AD?

Thousands upon thousands so hungry that mothers ate their own children.

Thousands upon thousands put to the sword, until blood literally ran in the streets.

Every building in the city completely leveled, except for Fort Antonia.

Thousands upon thousands sold into slavery.

Do you think that was not real tribulation?

How much worse do you expect a tribulation period to get?



Luk 23:27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.

Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

Luk 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?



Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

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Do you think it is just a coincidence that the passage above and the passage below both refer to nursing mothers?
Who was Jesus talking to in Luke 23:27-31?
Were some of those same women alive 40 years later during 70 AD?

Thousands upon thousands so hungry that mothers ate their own children.

Thousands upon thousands put to the sword, until blood literally ran in the streets.

Every building in the city completely leveled, except for Fort Antonia.

Thousands upon thousands sold into slavery.

Do you think that was not real tribulation?

How much worse do you expect a tribulation period to get?



Luk 23:27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.

Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

Luk 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?



Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

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Berean You Can Look To "Josephus" The Roman Emperor Propaganda Writer, For Your Horror Stories, Trying To Account For "The Great Tribulation" In 66-70AD?

As Clearly Shown, You "Completely Disregard" The Apostolic Church Fathers, Justin Martyr 100-165AD, Iranaeus 130-202AD, Hippolytus 170-235AD

They All Taught Of A Future Antichrist, Abomination Of Desolation, Great Tribulation, From Their 2nd And 3rd Century Lives.

"They Didn't See Or Teach 66-70AD Fulfillment Of Matthew 24:15-31, Because They Were Well Aware That The "Second Advent" Was Tied To The Destruction Of The Antichrist, "Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days" Seen In Verse 21.

Jesus Christ Didn't Return To Destroy Antiochus Epiphanes, Titus, Nero, Or Whoever Else You Can Name, These Are Future Events "Unfulfilled"

Three Steps Tied Together By The "Time Stamp"

1. Verse 15 The Abomination Of Desolation Causes Verses 16-21 To Take Place, They Flee To The Mountains.

2. Verse 21 Is Caused By Verse 15, "For Then Shall Be Great Tribulation"

3. Verses 29-30 Take Place "Immediately After" Verse 21 Is Completed.

You Falsely Try To Create A 2,000 Year Continuing "Great Tribulation" To Make Your System Work, With A Claim That The "Fulfilling Of The Gentiles" Is Also Seen In This 2,000 Year Time Frame?

100% False, As "Those Day's" In Verse 29, Destroys Your Interpretation.

Just As The Apostolic Church Fathers Taught, The Future Antichrist Will Cause Verse 15 In The Abomination Of Desolation, And Jesus Christ Will Return In His Destruction.

"Future Events"!

Matthew 24:15-31 King James Version (KJV)
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
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Berean You Can Look To Josephus For Your Horror Story, Trying To Account For "The Great Tribulation" In 66-70AD?

The "Horror Story" is coming from the words of Jesus Christ found below.

Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.



Luk 23:26 And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.

Luk 23:27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.

Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

Luk 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?



Did the "Horror Story" described above happen during 70 AD, or are you in denial of these facts?

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The "Horror Story" is coming from the words of Jesus Christ found below.

Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.



Luk 23:26 And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.

Luk 23:27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.

Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

Luk 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?



Did the "Horror Story" described above happen during 70 AD, or are you in denial of these facts?

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Please Respond Directly To That Highlighted In Blue Below, You Have Not Answered This Claim.

As Clearly Shown, You "Completely Disregard" The Apostolic Church Fathers, Justin Martyr 100-165AD, Iranaeus 130-202AD, Hippolytus 170-235AD

They All Taught Of A Future Antichrist, Abomination Of Desolation, Great Tribulation, From Their 2nd And 3rd Century Lives.

"They Didn't See Or Teach 66-70AD Fulfillment Of Matthew 24:15-31, Because They Were Well Aware That The "Second Advent" Was Tied To The Destruction Of The Antichrist, "Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days" Seen In Verse 21.

Jesus Christ Didn't Return To Destroy Antiochus Epiphanes, Titus, Nero, Or Whoever Else You Can Name, These Are Future Events "Unfulfilled"

Three Steps Tied Together By The "Time Stamp"

1. Verse 15 The Abomination Of Desolation Causes Verses 16-21 To Take Place, They Flee To The Mountains.

2. Verse 21 Is Caused By Verse 15, "For Then Shall Be Great Tribulation"

3. Verses 29-30 Take Place "Immediately After" Verse 21 Is Completed.


You Falsely Try To Create A 2,000 Year Continuing "Great Tribulation" To Make Your System Work, With A Claim That The "Fulfilling Of The Gentiles" Is Also Seen In This 2,000 Year Time Frame?

100% False, As "Those Day's" In Verse 29, Destroys Your Interpretation.

Just As The Apostolic Church Fathers Taught, The Future Antichrist Will Cause Verse 15 In The Abomination Of Desolation, And Jesus Christ Will Return In His Destruction.

"Future Events"!
 
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Hippo saw a future Antichrist that will be a Jew, that is going to sit in a literal temple in Jerusalem made of stone.

Hippolytus Of Rome 170-235AD, Treatise On Christ And Antichrist, Chapter 6

6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem. And his seductive arts we shall exhibit in what follows. But for the present let us turn to the question in hand.

Well worth reading the rest as well:

CHURCH FATHERS: On Christ and Antichrist (Hippolytus)

I will also add the portion from the Didache (scholars date late 1st Century AD to early 2nd Century AD) which reflects the very early church beliefs:

Chapter 16. Watchfulness; The Coming of the Lord
Watch for your life's sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ready, for you know not the hour in which our Lord comes. Matthew 24:42 But often shall you come together, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you be not made perfect in the last time. For in the last days false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate; Matthew 24:11-12 for when lawlessness increases, they shall hate and persecute and betray one another, Matthew 24:10 and then shall appear the world-deceiver as the Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the beginning. Then shall the creation of men come into the fire of trial, and many shall be made to stumble and shall perish; but they that endure in their faith shall be saved from under the curse itself. And then shall appear the signs of the truth; first, the sign of an outspreading in heaven; then the sign of the sound of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection of the dead; yet not of all, but as it is said: The Lord shall come and all His saints with Him. Then shall the world see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven.

CHURCH FATHERS: The Didache
 
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Please Respond Directly To That Highlighted In Blue Below, You Have Not Answered This Claim.

As Clearly Shown, You "Completely Disregard" The Apostolic Church Fathers, Justin Martyr 100-165AD, Iranaeus 130-202AD, Hippolytus 170-235AD

They All Taught Of A Future Antichrist, Abomination Of Desolation, Great Tribulation, From Their 2nd And 3rd Century Lives.

"They Didn't See Or Teach 66-70AD Fulfillment Of Matthew 24:15-31, Because They Were Well Aware That The "Second Advent" Was Tied To The Destruction Of The Antichrist, "Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days" Seen In Verse 21.

Jesus Christ Didn't Return To Destroy Antiochus Epiphanes, Titus, Nero, Or Whoever Else You Can Name, These Are Future Events "Unfulfilled"

Three Steps Tied Together By The "Time Stamp"

1. Verse 15 The Abomination Of Desolation Causes Verses 16-21 To Take Place, They Flee To The Mountains.

2. Verse 21 Is Caused By Verse 15, "For Then Shall Be Great Tribulation"

3. Verses 29-30 Take Place "Immediately After" Verse 21 Is Completed.


You Falsely Try To Create A 2,000 Year Continuing "Great Tribulation" To Make Your System Work, With A Claim That The "Fulfilling Of The Gentiles" Is Also Seen In This 2,000 Year Time Frame?

100% False, As "Those Day's" In Verse 29, Destroys Your Interpretation.

Just As The Apostolic Church Fathers Taught, The Future Antichrist Will Cause Verse 15 In The Abomination Of Desolation, And Jesus Christ Will Return In His Destruction.

"Future Events"!
It seems there are some discrepancies with the preterist view on the linkage of the second coming and the deliverance of Jerusalem (Israel). In the preterist view (correct me if I am wrong) Zechariah 14 would not fit into the 70AD model for the end times events as YHWH comes to deliver Israel and not punish her. It is the 'nations' who are judged and Israel restored ushering in the millennial kingdom.


Zechariah 14 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,

Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee
through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.



Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.

6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen

That it will be light.

8 And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.
9 And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“The Lord
is one,”
And His name one.


10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.

11 The people shall dwell in it;
And no longer shall there be utter destruction,
But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:

Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.


13 It shall come to pass in that day
That a great panic from the Lord will be among them.
Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,
And raise his hand against his neighbor’s hand;
14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.
And the wealth of all the surrounding nations
Shall be gathered together:
Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance.


15 Such also shall be the plague
On the horse
and the mule,
On the camel and the donkey,
And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.
So
shall this plague be.

Verse 12 is quite telling. The Lord will strike all the people (nations) who fought against Jerusalem.

We know God unleashed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem, so this cannot be a situation where YHWH fights against 'all the people.' We know God also unleashed Rome to destroy Jerusalem (Luke 21:20-24), so that can't be a situation where YHWH/Jesus delivers the city and the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations (Zechariah 14:3). And yet we see a distinction in Luke 21 where Jerusalem is judged with the edge of the sword and the people taken into captivity until the times of the Gentiles are complete (Luke 21:20-24). Yet we see in the following verses this:

Luke 21 New King James Version (NKJV)
25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

Notice in the above it speaks of redemption. This is a separate event from the destruction of Jerusalem, the judgment and captivity. That is not redemption. Separate events which Zechariah 14 speaks of judging the nations and YHWH fighting for not against Jerusalem.

Which brings us to the most descriptive of all NT accounts of the Second coming of Christ.

Revelation 19 New King James Version (NKJV)
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Again, we have Christ fighting against the nations with the beast and false prophet at the head of the armies. Christ has come to judge them and the nations. This can't be 70AD as Rome was used to judge Jerusalem, not deliver it. Plus would not using Revelation 19 to suggest 70AD put Christ in the position of making the armies of the anti-Christ victorious when it clearly states not?

So my point is we have yet to be fulfilled prophecies where Jerusalem is delivered by YHWH (OT)/Jesus (NT).

Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD and scattered the Jews throughout the empire and beyond. If the Roman generals and emperors of the time were truly forces of the beast, then why were they successful? Where did the deliverance of Jerusalem happen?

The answer is it has not happened yet. Nor has the second coming of Christ happened which is tightly knit to the events of the destruction of the nations, beast and false prophet.
 
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Did the "Horror Story" described above happen during 70 AD, or are you in denial of these facts?

Important to note how the events are laid out in Luke 21. There are two horror stories. One in judgment of the Jews in 70 AD and then later future the judgment of the nations yet future.

First we have this:

Luke 21 New King James Version (NKJV)
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

No doubt in my mind this is the judgment of 70Ad against the Jews and Jerusalem. Why because there is no deliverance of Jerusalem (as promised in Zechariah 14) and the Jews are scattered throughout the empire and ushers in the times of the Gentiles in Palestine (until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled).

Yet continuing with Luke 21:

25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

This speaks of redemption. There was not redemption for Israel or the Jews in 70AD. This is yet future. Consider the audience. It is the same audience.

Some other references on Israel/Jerusalem being delivered:

Micah 2: NKJV
12 “I will surely assemble all of you, O Jacob,
I will surely gather the remnant of Israel;

I will put them together like sheep of the fold,
Like a flock in the midst of their pasture;
They shall make a loud noise because of
so many people.
13 The one who breaks open will come up before them;
They will break out,
Pass through the gate,
And go out by it;
Their king will pass before them,
With the Lord at their head.”


Which goes hand in hand with this:

Ezekiel 39 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 “I will set My glory among the nations; all the nations shall see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day forward. 23 The Gentiles shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they were unfaithful to Me, therefore I hid My face from them. I gave them into the hand of their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I have dealt with them, and hidden My face from them.”’

25 “Therefore thus says the Lord God: ‘Now I will bring back the captives of Jacob, and have mercy on the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name— 26 after they have borne their shame, and all their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, when they dwelt safely in their own land and no one made them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies’ lands, and I am hallowed in them in the sight of many nations, 28 then they shall know that I am the Lord their God, who sent them into captivity among the nations, but also brought them back to their land, and left none of them captive any longer. 29 And I will not hide My face from them anymore; for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,’ says the Lord God.”

When have the captives of Jacob returned to where God no longer hides His face from them? Has to be future as He surely punished them and scattered them in 70AD.
 
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Luke 21 New King James Version (NKJV)
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

No doubt in my mind this is the judgment of 70Ad against the Jews and Jerusalem. Why because there is no deliverance of Jerusalem (as promised in Zechariah 14) and the Jews are scattered throughout the empire and ushers in the times of the Gentiles in Palestine (until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled).

Yet continuing with Luke 21:

25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

This speaks of redemption. There was not redemption for Israel or the Jews in 70AD. This is yet future. Consider the audience. It is the same audience.

Some other references on Israel/Jerusalem being delivered:

I agree with part of what you have said here.

The text that includes and proceeds Luke 21:24a is about 70 AD.

At the end of Luke 21:24 we find "the times of the Gentiles" and in the text that follows we find the future Second Coming of Christ.

Therefore, Christ returns when the "times of the Gentiles" is fulfilled.

Paul makes a reference to this same time period in Romans chapter 11.


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