High School Uses COVID Funds for Pride Drag Show Performance

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Not only did I disagree with the idea of behavior being taught, I am not going to engage with the idea that behavior is based on ideology.

If you don't believe someone's ideology affects their behavior, then I guess we truly have no reason to continue this discussion.
 
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Oxford definition of ideology:
"a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy."

Behavior is based on it, and was where the goalpost was planted before you moved it.
Nothing about your rational is correct. Did you just make that up? Behaviour isn't based on an ideology; I don't eat grapes and yogurt for breakfast because of an ideology. I don't put my socks on after my pants because of an ideology.

Behaviour isn't just this thing you can carve out and deal with one SPECIFIC behaviour. And you certainly can't use it to reverse engineer a definition for a word that is being used improperty.


This just looks like it's masquerading as a poor excuse for the entire right wing to name homosexuality an "ideology".
 
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If you don't believe someone's ideology affects their behavior, then I guess we truly have no reason to continue this discussion.
See but it's not about "Believing" anything. Either that is a factually accurate statement or it's not.

Hint though: It's not.
 
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See but it's not about "Believing" anything. Either that is a factually accurate statement or it's not.

Hint though: It's not.

That's quite a contradiction there.
 
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If you don't believe someone's ideology affects their behavior, then I guess we truly have no reason to continue this discussion.
That is not what I stated. I stated that it is a fallacy to simply assert that because there is a behavior it is therefore based on an ideology.
 
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That is not what I stated. I stated that it is a fallacy to simply assert that because there is a behavior it is therefore based on an ideology.
Based on it, influenced by it, or based on an influence of it--it's just splitting hairs, and hardly worth focusing on at the expense of the actual topic here.
 
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Based on it, influenced by it, or based on an influence of it--it's just splitting hairs, and hardly worth focusing on at the expense of the actual topic here.
You do not seem to be understanding the gist of my objection. Let me see if I can state it more clearly.

P1: All behavior is based on ideology
P2: We see someone engaged in a behavior therefore they have an ideology

You are making the statement in P2, that we see a behavior, therefore it indicates a ideology based on P1. I don't agree that P1 is valid. I believe there can be behaviors that are not based on ideology.

Does that clear up my objection to your reasoning?
 
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You do not seem to be understanding the gist of my objection. Let me see if I can state it more clearly.

P1: All behavior is based on ideology
P2: We see someone engaged in a behavior therefore they have an ideology

You are making the statement in P2, that we see a behavior, therefore it indicates a ideology based on P1. I don't agree that P1 is valid. I believe there can be behaviors that are not based on ideology.

Does that clear up my objection to your reasoning?
It would seem that even the behavior itself needs defining.
In the case of a school being used to host a drag queen pride show, what do you see that based that based on?
 
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If that's all, then what prevents them from brinhing in male strippers, and whatever else they have at gay bars? It would certainly fit the theme.
 
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If that's all, then what prevents them from brinhing in male strippers, and whatever else they have at gay bars? It would certainly fit the theme.
The slippery slope....LOL And that is why people want them in the closet.

There are more guns in schools than drag queens.
 
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The slippery slope....LOL And that is why people want them in the closet.

There are more guns in schools than drag queens.
Well, you didn't answer the question as to what prevents male strippers from being brought in for a "pride" drag show. Drag queens got their start at gay bars. So why not bring the rest of what they do in gay bars into high schools as well?
 
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Ideology influences our behaviors. Isn't that obvious?
Congratulations on the googlefu (I like how even under the headline it says "Behaviour is influenced by a myriad of factors"

Did you read that article?

Because it's a damp squib anyways. Your argument was that homosexuality (or whatever of that ilk) is an ideology. Your logic was because it was a behaviour, it's an ideology.

So perhaps we can now put that to rest? Or is there still confusion about what an "ideology" is?
 
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If that's all, then what prevents them from brinhing in male strippers, and whatever else they have at gay bars? It would certainly fit the theme.
The "theme"?

Pray, when was the last time you were inside a school?

What were the signs INSIDE THE SCHOOL BUILDING, that suggested that male strippers is part of the "theme"?
 
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If that's all, then what prevents them from brinhing in male strippers, and whatever else they have at gay bars? It would certainly fit the theme.
Ah, I see the problem now. You think someone in drag in a library reading Horton Hears A Who to children is the same as a group of men stripping erotically in a gay bar.

I see the problem. But how you could ever come to that conclusion is a mystery that will forever be lost on me. And you surely must know that using that as an argument causes all reasonable people to think that you have no coherent argument in the first place.
 
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You do not seem to be understanding the gist of my objection. Let me see if I can state it more clearly.

P1: All behavior is based on ideology
P2: We see someone engaged in a behavior therefore they have an ideology

You are making the statement in P2, that we see a behavior, therefore it indicates a ideology based on P1. I don't agree that P1 is valid. I believe there can be behaviors that are not based on ideology.

Does that clear up my objection to your reasoning?
You can lead a horse to water....
 
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This local reporting on the event makes the issues much clearer:

Thanks for the link.

Simard’s list of Pride equipment on her grant application includes a photo booth and film, a PA system, tables and chafing dishes, as well as an additional $500 for unspecified “Pride decorations and swag.”
The items do not appear to qualify for ARPA funding under federal guidelines.

That's my issue with this. $4K of ARPA funding is being used to pay for this event. The items they're using the money for do not qualify for ARPA funding. And yet, no one seems to care about this blatant misappropriation of funds.
 
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