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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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Lyle
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I likie Svt4Him's answer, and my will follow along the same lines... What's the point? The Bible has been proven correct over and over....
But all stopping to question will do is open the door of human philosophy, which almost always leads people astray, because people aren't naturally spiritually discerned
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Hi Bagfad
Welcome to CF and welcome to Christ and His Church.
As you are new to Christianity, how you view your conversion and Christianity will be heavily influenced by who's exlplanation for your conversion you accept.
I was surrounded by Protestant brothers and sisters who gave me a Protestant interpretation of my conversion experience . . that was over 30 years ago. But in the last few years, I discovered the historical Church of the New Testament and the early centuries through a study of the history of the Church, and found that the churches which most closely resemble the Early Church in practice and belief today are the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. . so, as a result of further study, prayer and seeking God, I am in the process of becoming Catholic.
I would encourage you to learn about the Early Church, not soley a Protestant interpretation, neither soley a Catholic or Eastern Orthodox interpretation, but read what the Early Church Father's themselves had to say and compare it with what is taught and practiced today . . the evidence is abundant, especially on the net. www.ccel.org is a wonderful site full of the writings of the Early Church Fathers . . they have more pertinance to our day than you can imagine.
Pray, and ask God to lead you . . especially since there are so many different interpretations of scripture out there . .. feel free to PM me if you are interested me sharing more about my journey in the Christian Faith . . I would be happy to share what I have learned.
Peace in Him!
Welcome to CF and welcome to Christ and His Church.
As you are new to Christianity, how you view your conversion and Christianity will be heavily influenced by who's exlplanation for your conversion you accept.
I was surrounded by Protestant brothers and sisters who gave me a Protestant interpretation of my conversion experience . . that was over 30 years ago. But in the last few years, I discovered the historical Church of the New Testament and the early centuries through a study of the history of the Church, and found that the churches which most closely resemble the Early Church in practice and belief today are the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. . so, as a result of further study, prayer and seeking God, I am in the process of becoming Catholic.
I would encourage you to learn about the Early Church, not soley a Protestant interpretation, neither soley a Catholic or Eastern Orthodox interpretation, but read what the Early Church Father's themselves had to say and compare it with what is taught and practiced today . . the evidence is abundant, especially on the net. www.ccel.org is a wonderful site full of the writings of the Early Church Fathers . . they have more pertinance to our day than you can imagine.
Pray, and ask God to lead you . . especially since there are so many different interpretations of scripture out there . .. feel free to PM me if you are interested me sharing more about my journey in the Christian Faith . . I would be happy to share what I have learned.
Peace in Him!
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thereselittleflower said:Hi Bagfad
Welcome to CF and welcome to Christ and His Church.
As you are new to Christianity, how you view your conversion and Christianity will be heavily influenced by who's exlplanation for your conversion you accept.
I was surrounded by Protestant brothers and sisters who gave me a Protestant interpretation of my conversion experience . . that was over 30 years ago. But in the last few years, I discovered the historical Church of the New Testament and the early centuries through a study of the history of the Church, and found that the churches which most closely resemble the Early Church in practice and belief today are the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. . so, as a result of further study, prayer and seeking God, I am in the process of becoming Catholic.
I would encourage you to learn about the Early Church, not soley a Protestant interpretation, neither soley a Catholic or Eastern Orthodox interpretation, but read what the Early Church Father's themselves had to say and compare it with what is taught and practiced today . . the evidence is abundant, especially on the net. www.ccel.org is a wonderful site full of the writings of the Early Church Fathers . . they have more pertinance to our day than you can imagine.
Pray, and ask God to lead you . . especially since there are so many different interpretations of scripture out there . .. feel free to PM me if you are interested me sharing more about my journey in the Christian Faith . . I would be happy to share what I have learned.
Peace in Him!
thereselittleflower said:
Peopl often had church in houses in the New Testament, which would seem to me, not be like a Catholic Cathederal.
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Well, I wonder if one could really expect a new Church, under intense persecution, being thrown to the lions, crucified, etc would have the time, energy or desire to build Cathedrals or large Churches as seen in Protestantism? . . .theseed said:
You bring up a very interesting historical point about the beginnings of Christianity . . it was birthed in tremedous persecution, yet grew and grew in the Love of God . . the traditions of worship and the faith were handed down when people would meet secretly in believer's homes so they could worship . .
The absolute love and joy the first Christians had and experienced in their faith in their Risen Lord overcame all barriers put up to their worship and growth . . . by all rights, Christianity should have been stamped out . .but instead, the strategy of meeting in homes even in the places of the most intense persecution, helped ensure the survival of the early Church.
Understanding the beginnings of the Early Church, a I suggested above, really helps to put things into perspective and avoid wrong assumption or coming to wrong conclusions. .
I am very thankful that today, in this country, neither Protestant or Catholic is forced to meet secretively in various homes any more, but that we can come together in small or large Churches freely and thankful for such a great priviledge. There are many around the world who are experiencing persecution today who do not have this priviledge . . we should pray for them . .
Someday, we may also be forced to meet secretively in homes again, just as the early Church once did . ..
Peace in Him!
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Lyle
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Remmeber though, you can read through what men say, and the opions of men... But read and study the Bible for yourself... I go strictly upon the Bible, not what men think. if you have any questions, I'll b more then happy to help you out, all you need to do is ask But study the scriptures yourself to find if what men are teaching is even true, because believe me, there is a ton of error that's flying around in teachings... This is why Jesus told us (or another reason why0 we're suppose to be as wise as serpents....
But study the scriptures yourself to find if what men are teaching is even true, because believe me, there is a ton of error that's flying around in teachings... This is why Jesus told us (or another reason why0 we're suppose to be as wise as serpents....
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Yes! most definitely yes, read the scriptures . . read as much as you can . . when I had my conversion experience, someone gave me a New Testament and I devoured it amazed that it was something I could begin to understand now . . the Holy Spirit will help you to understand what is written there.
As a new Christian, there were many things I didn't know how to interpret in the scriptures, but that didn't stop me from reading them; but I put those things I didn't understand well on a shelf trusting that God would show me in the right time. In the mean time, the people around me helped me to understand some points in scripture according to how they approached it, and as I grew in the faith, I encountered many others who had different takes on the same portions of scriptures as I learned about different denominations people I came to know were a part of . . of course, the question became, who is most right? Again, I trusted God to lead me in His time . .
A few years ago, I discovered the rich and vast treasure trove of the Early Church Fathers and the historical evidences of what the first Christians believed, taught and practiced . . they address these questions very well, and who better to go to, to learn the right way to interpret confusing passages of scripture than those who were closest to what Jesus and the Apostles taught? I found many, many answers to questions I had for over 30 years that were never adequately answered by those I looked up to within Protestantism . .
As you grow in your faith, you will have questions .. who you turn to for answers will in good part determine how your faith developes . . I just encourage you to go to the Early Church Fathers and the historical Christian Church as well as other Christians you may know . . it is very easy to do and will help you greatly in your new walk with God!
Peace in Him!
As a new Christian, there were many things I didn't know how to interpret in the scriptures, but that didn't stop me from reading them; but I put those things I didn't understand well on a shelf trusting that God would show me in the right time. In the mean time, the people around me helped me to understand some points in scripture according to how they approached it, and as I grew in the faith, I encountered many others who had different takes on the same portions of scriptures as I learned about different denominations people I came to know were a part of . . of course, the question became, who is most right? Again, I trusted God to lead me in His time . .
A few years ago, I discovered the rich and vast treasure trove of the Early Church Fathers and the historical evidences of what the first Christians believed, taught and practiced . . they address these questions very well, and who better to go to, to learn the right way to interpret confusing passages of scripture than those who were closest to what Jesus and the Apostles taught? I found many, many answers to questions I had for over 30 years that were never adequately answered by those I looked up to within Protestantism . .
As you grow in your faith, you will have questions .. who you turn to for answers will in good part determine how your faith developes . . I just encourage you to go to the Early Church Fathers and the historical Christian Church as well as other Christians you may know . . it is very easy to do and will help you greatly in your new walk with God!
Peace in Him!
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thereselittleflower said:
And there were many writings that were contrary to the bible. For example, According to the Gospel of Thomas, you must be a man to enter into heaven, and women had to become men.
Heb. 13.8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever"
1 Thessalonians 5:21
Test everything. Hold on to the good.
So, I too ask you to hear arguments from every side and read the scriptures carefully as well.
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