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Featured hi brothers and sisters ,please clear this doubt

Discussion in 'Christian Advice' started by kirthika, Apr 21, 2018.

  1. Radagast

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    If you don't believe in the Trinity, you shouldn't be posting here.
     
  2. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    Brother, when did I say that I do not believe in trinity?
     
  3. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    Is an idol anything? No, but the worship to an idol is the worship to demon itself....Ref: 1Corinthians 10:19-20
     
  4. Original Happy Camper

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    Please explain the difference between them.
     
  5. Original Happy Camper

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    Born of GOD? Not Biblical
    John 1 King James Version (KJV)
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

    "and so we become gods".

    This is the lie told to Eve by satan.
    Genesis 3 King James Version (KJV)
    4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
    5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
     
  6. razzelflabben

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    I think you are missing my point but since it is not the basis of this discussion I am not sure it would be beneficial to continue. Scripture tells us to test to know....my premise is that I have not yet tested even though I know that they are "false" gods I do not know if they are themselves demons...we are warned against accusing Satan and his demons of things that are not his to own.
     
  7. razzelflabben

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    we can worship anything but not everything is a demon...how much more explanation do you want?
     
  8. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    Yes, Jesus is born from GOD as per the scripture...
    Hebrews 2:11
    "For both the one[Jesus] who sanctifies and the ones[believers] who are sanctified are all from one[Father], for which reason he[Jesus] is not ashamed to call them brothers."

    Yes, Jesus is begotten son as per the scripture..
    [Joh 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.]

    Yes, we and our Lord Jesus have one Father, who is GOD of all..
    [Jesus said, "...go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ ” -John 20:17]

    brother, did I say anything unbiblical?
     
  9. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    we should not be gods? that means...we should not be born of GOD?

    John 10:34-35
    Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? If he called them ‘gods’ to whom the word of God came—and the scripture cannot be broken.

    Brother, scripture cannot be broken.

    Psalms 82:6
    I have said, “You are gods, and sons of the Most High, all of you.

    I seek that through Lord Jesus Christ all people should become gods and worship the Creator alone.

    Romans 8:16-17
    The Spirit himself confirms to our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, also heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer together with him so that we may also be glorified together with him.
     
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  10. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    I too don't know wether an idol is a demon or not. But, if we worship it, then that goes to demons. Our worship will make that idol a demon. This is what I meant: Idol is nothing, but if you bother an idol with the worship, then its a demon thats what the scripture meaning it.
     
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  11. razzelflabben

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    so...you really want me to believe that all the "christians" that worship say football are worshiping demons? as would be true of those who worship money? job? family? etc.? I'm sorry I just can't go there with you and if you have a passage that I missed that would say you are right please present it again so that I can allow scripture to transform my opinions, ideas, and understandings.
     
  12. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    How pity you are.... visible Idols are not equal to your family or beloved ones. But, If something more than GOD you love, then that becomes an idol in your heart. An Idol for visible eyes and an idol at inside heart, which is worst?.
    Ezekiel 14:4-7 says about the sin in bringing an idol to the heart, so If you love an idol and bother it with the worship, then you are bringing it to your heart....then that goes to demons. The love of money becomes an idol at your heart, then its a demon. Greediness is also an idol because it arises from heart. The Scripture says that you are the temple of GOD, but the above mentioned Idols will defile you if those things are placed in your heart . (Ref: Colossians 3:5 | Ephesians 5:5 | 1Corinthians 5:11 | Mark 7:22-23 ). You are the temple of of the living GOD and you should not place any idols in your heart. That's why GOD himself said,
    "..you shall love ADONAI your God with all of your heart and with all of your soul and with all of your might..- Deuteronomy 6:5".
    If you love or adore anything more than GOD then you are defiling your heart with idols".
    And such a heart is not the circumcised heart.

    Paul also says this,
    "If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy this one. For God’s temple is holy, which you are". - 1Corinthians 3:17

    For our GOD is holy and so don't defile your heart with any idols. Live in peace...GOD bless you.
     
  13. razzelflabben

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    no, nor is everything that is a false god which is the very point I am making...all of the things that I mentioned in that post can and do become idols in the hearts of people, some even in the church, yet you don't call all of them demons, why? If all idols and false gods are demons, why are the examples above not in your mind demons? Maybe because in your mind they are more palatable? That is why many make the claims you are trying to make.
    Let's look at the passage and try to find what you claim, okay?!...."
    7 “‘When any of the Israelites or any foreigner residing in Israel separate themselves from me and set up idols in their hearts and put a wicked stumbling block before their faces and then go to a prophet to inquire of me, I the Lord will answer them myself. 8 I will set my face against them and make them an example= and a byword. I will remove them from my people. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

    9 “‘And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the Lord have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel."

    Not a single word about them being demons...and honestly, I am kind of amazed you want to try to make an issue out of this...but lets continue.
    Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.....nope, no mention of them being demons only that they are idols
    For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a person is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God....again, no mention of the idol being a demon...hum, I wonder why I challenged you to show that all idols are demons when I said I haven't yet found a scripture that says they are?! ;)
    But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people....yet another passage that fails to show what you claim.
    22deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23“All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.” ...again no mention of the idol being a demon...I think you are confusing the word idol with demon and in that confusion trying to argue something that simply does not exist in scripture. Of course idols are bad and sinful, I said that right off the bat, but they are not always demons and that is what you are trying to argue with me about...so if you are right, and all idols are demons, please show it in scripture where I missed that passage.
    amen...but that says nothing at all about all idols being demons....you have taken issue with me for saying that I do not know if the idols of the OP are themselves demons or not since I have not tested them...yet every passage you present says that idols are evil and nothing more...amen, idols are evil but that does NOT equal all idols are demons...so if you want to take issue with what I said, then please put forth your biblical evidence that all idols are demons...otherwise I think we are done.
    amen...but again you show nothing here about demons...where are the passages that you want to say that all idols are demons or that we should not test the spirits to see if they are demons?
    yep...shall I repeat myself yet again? Where is the scriptural proof you want to come against what I said that not all idols are demons? All idols are wrong and evil amen, we agree on that and I talked about that long ago but that they are all demons I see no scriptural proof of and if you don't want to present the scriptural proof you seem to think you have we must be done talking with me evidencing my claim and you are not.
     
  14. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    You are confused with my replies without well understanding it. Look brother even at the first reply to you, I clearly meant that idol is nothing i.e., not like a serious stuff to speak about it, this i said as per the scripture. But, an idol becomes a demon only when you bother to worship it. That's my point. If anybody bothers it with special care considering like GOD, then it is a demon that's what paul meant in his words.
    In other replies I just clarified with you that whatever sits in your heart more than the love of GOD is nothing but an idol, that idol is a demon.

    "1Corinthians 10:19-22
    Therefore, what am I saying? That food sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but that the things which they sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to become sharers with demons. You are not able to drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You are not able to share the table of the Lord and the table of demons. Or are we attempting to provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than he is, are we?".

    The concept from Paul's words is very clear that idol is nothing, but if you care about it with offerings and worship, then its for demons only. Thats it. I am clear with what is idols vs demons. I don't like to argue like a grinding machine. If you can understand well from paul's words then its good. You no need to test all idols, but if u have time to test all, then test. Its upto your conviction.
     
  15. razzelflabben

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    so you then do not know what a demon is?! A demon is a fallen angel...they can oppress people and possess them, Christ cast out demons....shall I go on?
    like I said, if you want to call all idols demons you will need to provide passages to support that which you have not done. As I previously said, you seem to be confusing idols and demons and bringing up Paul kind of confirms that you are confusing the two since Paul would have known about demons as per being a follower of Christ and under His teaching.
    what sits in your heart above God is an idol but as I have repeatedly pointed out to you and in a variety of different ways, not all idols are demons which is the issue you took up with me...so maybe we should have a discussion about what a demon is?
    cool...so you then are saying that everything we worship above God is a demon...like when I pointed out that many people make idols out of football, cars, other people, status, etc. I will respectfully disagree with you on this matter. I do not believe that I Cor. 10 is saying that all idol worship is demons...in fact, look at the context...vs. 20 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons....notice it is NOT the idol that is a demon....big difference...btw, I am surprised it took you this long to present this passage...also not that the worship here is about making God jealous so if you don't even know that there is a God what does that tell us? In fact, demons would be the spirit that is behind so to speak the idol that is in the heart...you really should check out these things before you try to argue with me about them. Oh, and just to be comprehensive to a degree, demons can be attached to various articles but they don't have to be...it's kind of a territorial thing.
    lol....all I said is that I don't know if the idols that the poster is worshiping have demons attached to them or not and you felt a need to argue with me that idols and demons are the same thing which they very clearly are not...shall we talk more about demons so that you can see the difference between an idol and a demon? There is a huge difference as I have repeatedly pointed out to you.
     
  16. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    You have a spirit of argument, and thinking that others don't know anything. I addressed your question without saying that you don't know anything.

    Kindly follow these below verses when dealing with others....
    Romans 12:10
    "...being devoted to one another in brotherly love, esteeming one another more highly in honor..."

    Philliapians 2:3
    "...Do nothing according to selfish ambition or according to empty conceit, but in humility considering one another better than yourselves.."

    Now, I am following these above verses because once I was like you suppressing others with arguments.

    Moses singing that new gods or those false gods are demons....
    Deu 32:17
    "They sacrificed to the demons, not God, to gods whom they had not known, new gods who came from recent times; their ancestors had not known them".

    Brother, can you accept now that flase gods are demons too?
     
  17. razzelflabben

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    oh my that is funny...I was quite content to leave my comments as they were, my comments and you come along and want to argue with me, so I showed clarification of what I said and you continued to want to argue so I asked you for evidence so that if I was wrong I could change my mind and you presented none but tried to continue to argue just so you can accuse me of having a spirit of argument...wow...I think that unless you present something we can talk about we are done.
    I didn't have any questions, I offered my answers as best as I can tell from scripture...you took exception to that....oh well...moving on.
    lol and yet I am the one who asked you to support your comments in scripture so I could reconsider my position and you refused...how strange your accusations are...btw, such accusations are against forum rules so you might want to reconsider some of your words here.
    some are and some are not as I have shown both in scripture and in example...unless of course you think football is a demon, or money is a demon, or people who are worshiped are demons, or cars are demons, etc. Cause if that is what you want to say which would be only way you could disagree with what I said and clarified then I would suggest you get rid of all your clothes, cars, house, even the computer since for some these things become idols which you claim are all demons...have fun with that or else stop trying to inflate what I said into things I didn't so that you have something to argue about.
     
  18. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    ***so you then do not know what a demon is?! A demon is a fallen angel...they can oppress people and possess them, Christ cast out demons....shall I go on?**"

    Brother, look at your above words, Your tone is something like that you know everything than others. For this I replied rightly.

    I did not say that you first raised a question to me regarding demon issue, but I generalised in saying that I addressed your question regarding demons.. i.e., you said in some comments that you don't know all idols are demons or not, also said that there is a difference between false gods and demons.

    In all my comments I quoted the scripture as the reference, but you are saying that I did not show any scripture. Well you are upto something to prove yourself.

    "Some are and some are not"... this is your interpolation in believing about demons. So, I don't like to argue with you more. I provided enough of verses, and that's enough for my conviction and belief. I am not worshipping the money, nor car, nor anything other than GOD. In the same way through Lord Jesus Christ I learnt to love GOD more than family or anything. I am satisfied that I am following the scripture. I Love to learn from others and honor others more than myself. You believe as per your opinion. May God bless you.
     
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    then you are not reading for comprehension because your posts clearly show you do not have an understanding of what a demon is and so I am asking to make sure that you are not just caught up in your desire to be argumentative. BTW, shall I tell you what your tone sounds like, or shall we just pretend you are above reproach even though your posts clearly show you are not?
    this is all false statements about me and my posts and the record will show that it is false accusations you are making of me....now about that above reproach stuff, what does scripture say about bearing false witness of others?

    So let's set the record straight. The OPer commented that some people believe that the idols of Hinduism are demons...of which I responded that not all idols are demons and that the ones in question I have not tested as God commands in scripture to know for sure....notice I asked nothing, only stated what I knew and didn't know as per scripture. You must have either confused me with another poster, read into my post what was not there, or failed completely to read for comprehension....to which I clarified my position in case you were being above reproach and you continued to argue over the matter.

    Now, as I said before, the only way you can disagree with me is if you think that everything that people worship as idols are demons which would include but not be limited to cars, money, sports, others, positions, jobs, things, houses, etc. of which if those are all demons you would then be called by God to remove them from your life...are you ready to take that measure to free yourself from the demonic holds you are trying to claim exist on all idols?
    no...another false accusation of me...I said that you did not present any scriptures that tell us that all idols are demons and you didn't. If you are going to continue this "debate" please at least refrain from bearing false witness against me and my posts.
    and yet you argue with me when I say that not all idols are demons...how strange that you would argue with me on this when you yourself say here that not all idols are demons....so what exactly is it that you want to argue about? Please specify since it does not appear to be anything I have actually said...oh and bearing more false witness of me and what I said will NOT clarify what you want to argue about.
     
  20. Anand Prabhu Antony

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    All false gods are demons....and Christians should not worship everything.

    See you on the judgement day. May GOD bless you my dear brother.
     
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