Heretics and Heresy

[OrthodoxyUSA]

From Ancient times come many heretical doctrines that Christian's still struggle with today.. Some will be easily recognized and some you may have never heard of....

An easy to read Encyclopedia including these subjects may be found at...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

I have complied a short list of heresy's for discussion....


However, I want to make a point...
A heretic's is the teacher of such a doctrine, not necessarily the followers. If one teaches heresy, he is then warned by the Church and made aware of the heresy. That person is then given a chance to refelct on it and return to the Church doctrine or face further difficulties, not all heretics were excommunicated from the Church... for example St. Augustine, St. Constantine, and many many others..

In this light, I am not calling anyone here a heretic, only seekers of truth.


I believe that it is the goal of most Christians to regain the TRUTH from the Ancient Church. Afterall Christ didn't mean for us to go changing things.



Arianism
Eutychianism
Monophysitism
Iconoclasm
Nestorianism
Pelagianism
Adoptionism
Priscillianism
Manichæism
Gnosticism
Pantheism
Modernism
Predestinarianism
Amalricians
Monarchians
Antinomianism


Protestantism http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12495a.htm
This one will be the hardest as it is the most prevelant in modern influance.
I dont mean to offend with this one, sometimes the truth is hard to hear...

The Three Fundamental Principles of Protestantism:

• A. The Supremacy of the Bible; (solo scriptura)
  B. Justification by Faith Alone;
  C. The Universal Priesthood of Believers.

Forgive me.....

 

[JJM]

Those two saint you mentioned did they begin preaching heresy and then return to the truth?

 

[Ebb]

I noticed "Veneration of Images" did not make the list....not sure what the "ism" term for that is

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I noticed "Veneration of Images" did not make the list....not sure what the "ism" term for that is

That would be Iconoclasm. "See the seventh ecumenical council." http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07620a.htm

Forgive me....

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Those two saint you mentioned did they begin preaching heresy and then return to the truth?

As I understant it they did... unite or reunite themselves with the Church before their dormition.

Forgive me....

 

[Anti-Fear]

orthodoxy-usa. You don 't really expect us to take that obviously one sided site seriously?

Like someone mentioned, you see heretic here heretic there, but you probably even refuse to read something that will be critical of the practices of Orhtodox church, such as veneration of icons.

 

[Anti-Fear]

That would be Iconoclasm. "See the seventh ecumenical council." http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07620a.htm

Forgive me....

And what credibility does that council have? Why should anyone believe that those men in that council had the right idea?

 

[Mea Culpa]

From Ancient times come many heretical doctrines that Christian's still struggle with today.. Some will be easily recognized and some you may have never heard of....

An easy to read Encyclopedia including these subjects may be found at...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

I have complied a short list of heresy's for discussion....


However, I want to make a point...
A heretic's is the teacher of such a doctrine, not necessarily the followers. If one teaches heresy, he is then warned by the Church and made aware of the heresy. That person is then given a chance to refelct on it and return to the Church doctrine or face further difficulties, not all heretics were excommunicated from the Church... for example St. Augustine, St. Constantine, and many many others..

In this light, I am not calling anyone here a heretic, only seekers of truth.


I believe that it is the goal of most Christians to regain the TRUTH from the Ancient Church. Afterall Christ didn't mean for us to go changing things.



Arianism
Eutychianism
Monophysitism
Iconoclasm
Nestorianism
Pelagianism
Adoptionism
Priscillianism
Manichæism
Gnosticism
Pantheism
Modernism
Predestinarianism
Amalricians
Monarchians
Antinomianism


Protestantism http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12495a.htm
This one will be the hardest as it is the most prevelant in modern influance.
I dont mean to offend with this one, sometimes the truth is hard to hear...

The Three Fundamental Principles of Protestantism:

• A. The Supremacy of the Bible; (solo scriptura)
  B. Justification by Faith Alone;
  C. The Universal Priesthood of Believers.

Forgive me.....

If you argue that protestantism should be hereasy, you should also include Roman Catholic and Orthodox to that.

I am do not agree 100% with the RC, Orthodox, or any protestant group. The Bible lays out what a church is and is to be, and it spells out the truth. Yet each and every church in existance screws up somewhere. Some more than other. Some a LOT more than others.

Just so you know though, I am not a protestant, Catholic or Orthodox christian. I am not trying to protect one and attack another! This is just what I believe.

 

[Maccie]

orthodoxy-usa. You don 't really expect us to take that obviously one sided site seriously?

And what credibility does that council have? Why should anyone believe that those men in that council had the right idea?

That really is the funniest thing I've read on these Boards!!! Considering your "One-sided" views that you have posted Oh, so frequently, and your insistence that your view on the Bible is the only right one...........................

Words fail me!!

Maccie

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I'm afraid we would disagree on things, a Church cannot be a heresy in and of itself.
A heresy is the belief or practice itself, not the individual seeking to find the kingdom of God through the churches. Each group independant from one another does not define a heresy.
You may find heresy in a Western style church, however you will find them in eastern churchs as well. But these individuals are not the lie nor the liar, just seekers of Christ.

Many roads have been traveled many truths have been lost. Many good churches have grown from nothing in the wilderness and have done their best to find the truth in the scriptures alone. It doesn't have to remain so, the Ancient Church is not the roman church that persecuted inocents. It is the Church's in the East who have maintained the faith... come and see, I want to share it with you...

I will refernce the Orthodox Churchs teachings on all subjects (Please Lord don't let my hand stray)

 

[Anti-Fear]

I don't understand the utter non-sense you're talking about.
Are you saying that I view the Bible as the "only right one"
as opposed to what?

That really is the funniest thing I've read on these Boards!!! Considering your "One-sided" views that you have posted Oh, so frequently, and your insistence that your view on the Bible is the only right one...........................

Words fail me!!

Maccie

 

[InnerPhyre]

This thread should be called "Heresy and the Heretical Heretics who believe it"

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I don't understand the utter non-sense you're talking about.
Are you saying that I view the Bible as the "only right one"
as opposed to what?

Holy Tradition, of which the scripture is a primary component. See the "Holy Tradition" section of www.greerlawfirm.com/orthodox.htm

Forgive me...

 

[Anti-Fear]

Holy tradition may or may not be correct or the right way. Its based on certain local traditions and interpretations.

Holy Tradition, of which the scripture is a primary component. See the "Holy Tradition" section of www.greerlawfirm.com/orthodox.htm

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Holy tradition may or may not be correct or the right way. Its based on certain local traditions and interpretations.

"Holy Tradition" is that which has been "revealed" by God to the church. There are "traditions" (small t) that ARE local but in the Orthodox Church they would have nothing to do with interpretation of scriptures. The scriptures where not meant to be "interpreted" by anyone except the Church who wrote it...

Forgive me...

 

[Ebb]

I find applicable here what the Lord Jesus Christ said about those who try to remove a splinter out of their brother's eye, often have a two-by-four in their own. It's hard to find fault in one's self, for sure, I think mostly because of pride.

I think we can learn a lesson from studying the seven churches in Revelation. All of them had something wrong with them, which only Christ Himself in a position to judge could point out. But He gave promises to these same churches to those that would overcome.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

For those who believe that the Bible is everything you need to know....

What is prosphora, how is it to be prepared, what symbols are Traditionally placed on it.

What is the name of the woman at the well? Hint: She is a memeber of the Orthodox Church.

Who wrote Revelations? (I mean the actual person who was St. Johns scribe on Patmos. Hint: He is a member of the Orthodox Church.

What happens to the "grape juice" you get in the small plastic cup after the communion service is over? How about the bread that was used, what happened to the left overs?
We thow them in the trash dont we? Imagine that... throwing the leftovers of the body and blood of Christ in the trash..
But that doesn't really bother us because we know deep within ourselves that it wasn't the real body and blood of Christ.

In the Orthodox Church even if the wine from communion is sprinked on the carpet we must remove the carpet. All the bread of the service is consumed by the clergy.

When do you pray the prayers in the Horologian Hint: Think hours

What is the Didache? How does it play a part in Christianity? Hint: Apostles

I ask these questions in order to get you to realize that the total "Holy Tradition" of the Church is not contained in the scriptures.

 

[Oblio]

And what credibility does that council have? Why should anyone believe that those men in that council had the right idea?

That's strange, they are credible when they assemble the Books of the Holy Scripture into a Bible, and toss out heretical writings that were in current use by various Churchs, defeated numerous heresies and codified doctrine that is held by all orthodox believers today, yet on other matters they are not credible. Sounds like picking and choosing what you want to believe.

 

[Lotar]

However, I want to make a point...
A heretic's is the teacher of such a doctrine, not necessarily the followers. If one teaches heresy, he is then warned by the Church and made aware of the heresy. That person is then given a chance to refelct on it and return to the Church doctrine or face further difficulties, not all heretics were excommunicated from the Church... for example St. Augustine, St. Constantine, and many many others..

In this light, I am not calling anyone here a heretic, only seekers of truth.


I believe that it is the goal of most Christians to regain the TRUTH from the Ancient Church. Afterall Christ didn't mean for us to go changing things.

So your "holy tradition" now declares St Augustine to be a heretic?

Next you'll be claiming Pelagius was a defender of orthodox doctrine.

BTW, it seems that you have neglected to put synergism on your list.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

So your "holy tradition" now declares St Augustine to be a heretic?

Next you'll be claiming Pelagius was a defender of orthodox doctrine.

It seems that you have missed synergism.

In fact no saint was perfect and most turned away from heretical teachings before their repose in Christ, and returned to the Orthodox Church.

St. Augustine was a "western Saint" a saint of Roman order but also a saint in the eyes of the Orthodox Church.