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Hell: Eternal suffering or eternal nothingness?

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So I've read that apparently there is no eternal suffering. However, I don't really want to believe this. All I want to do is come down to some truth.

Some sources say different things and it gets confusing.

Biblestudy.net says that "sheol" in the old testament is a place of torment for the wicked and comfort for the righteous.
biblestudying.net/cosmo-5.html said:
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]So, when we speak of hell in the Old Testement times prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, we must be careful and deliberate. The English word "hell" automatically denotes a place of torment for the wicked. However, Sheol was not exclusively a place for the wicked. Sheol contained a place for both the torment of wicked dead and the comfort of the righteous dead. [/FONT]

Judaism either believe that afterlife torment is only 12 months, and the time can be shortened if people pray for one in torment.
jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm said:
• Judaism believes in an afterlife but has little dogma about it
• The Jewish afterlife is called Olam Ha-Ba (The World to Come)
• Resurrection and reincarnation are within the range of traditional Jewish belief
• Temporary (but not eternal) punishment after death is within traditional belief
[...]

The period of time in Gehinnom does not exceed 12 months, and then ascends to take his place on Olam Ha-Ba.
[/quote]

This man claims that verses say we will perish, and be no more and will not suffer. He also claims that eternal suffering is a pagan belief. Sheol [Strong's H7585] is apparently falsely translated to hell.
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For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

However, there are verses that do speak of eternal suffering.:

Then they will go away to eternal punishment[Strong's G2851], but the righteous to eternal life. Matthew 25:46


שְׁאוֹל - shĕ'owl:Strong's H7585
1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
├a) the underworld
├b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
├──1) place of no return
├──2) without praise of God
├──3) wicked sent there for punishment
├──4) righteous not abandoned to it
├──5) of the place of exile (fig)
└──6) of extreme degradation in sin

And lastly, a verse that comes to mind is

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3

 

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Sheol is Hades, not Hell, (which is the Lake of Fire). Hades and death will be cast into the Lake of Fire and destroyed (Rev.20:14). Destroy and perish mean to put an end to. You can't destroy something over and over forever. Can you burn a piece of paper forever? That would be an indestructable destruction or imperishable perishing. Aionios means an age or ages, a lifetime(s), generation(s), epoch, etc., when applied to things that are temporal and will pass away (Rev. 21:4). When that word is used to describe God, Heaven or our salvation then it means eternal. Otherwise, everlasting = age-lasting.
Before Christ was resurrected, the place in the afterlife for those who lived by faith, was paradise, sometimes called Abraham's bosom. Those people were taken to heaven, when heaven was opened. After that point, you died and went to Hades of to the Lord in heaven.
This view is of course not the traditional view of eternal hell that both Catholics and Prostestants hold to.
 
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It's definitely eternal. As good as Heaven is (and it's good), Hell is the counterpart and it is as bad as bad can be. It's also personalized somewhat for people to receive "rewards" according to what you've personally done. I say "you", but we're only talking about those who go there.

It's important to walk in love here as a covenant Christian and keep the covenant. We're warned of an eternal Hell as we are eternal spirit creatures. We're eternally be in Heaven or in Hell. It's eternal suffering as a warning to all. It's also something we want to warn others with because they will go anyway, if they don't know Jesus.

If you were to think that you just burn up and out and you're gone, that would be too easy. Rather, with the devil and his angels, all those who do iniquity will suffer eternally.

We should not as Christians fear death, btw. We should press in to life and stay on the narrow road of life and not live in ungodly fear. We should carry the reverential fear of the Lord which surely leads to life.
 
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Alive_Again said:
We're warned of an eternal Hell as we are eternal spirit creatures.

Does the Bible support your claim that all spirits are eternal? If so please quote the scriptures. My readings indicate eternal life is a gift only for believers but by your logic EVERYONE receives eternal life, not just believers.
 
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There is a difference between "life" and "death". Death is a condition of separation caused by sin. By being "eternal" beings it does not mean we have eternal life, it just means that we are always in a state of being eternally, just like the Father of our spirits.

Hmm not sure about this - it requires redefining death to something other than the established definition of death. Jesus said we should fear Him that is able to destroy both body and soul.
 
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I was raised Catholic and that's what the church taught. I must confess I have trouble thinking that God would torment people forever even though they are guilty of committing sins, even Satan. There are verses that say some will suffer this fate, but there aren't many and I wonder if Christians are interpreting them correctly. Torment without end seemms so against Gods character to me. It would be terrible if we taught something about God that wasn't right.
 
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Examine the Words of Jesus. That should be all you need. It's one thing to say "destroy" as though it is the end of you, but the "end" of you can relate to your wellbeing. Just going away permanently seems to defy all of the "everlasting" qualities spoken of concerning punishment. We cannot formulate a doctrine that does not agree with all scripture. Look in the New Testament for your answers.

By the same token, all of the eternal, everlasting qualities of God, His Word, and the wellfare of His people are just as never ending. For all of the extreme wonderfullness of Heaven, it is extremely bad in Hell. It wasn't made for us and the provision is given to us to overcome and go to Heaven, so it's not like God is being cruel. Hell was made for the devil and though they've been around for many thousands of years, probably millions, they end is approaching and it is everlasting fire and torment.
 
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If He's going to keep His faithful ones who chose Jesus' ultimate sacrifice eternally in peace, love, and joy, why would it seem like a stretch for those who rejected Jesus' ultimate sacrifice to suffer eternally?

If we're eternal spirit creatures, it would seem that we'll remain in the state we're in when we die (spiritually) and their are places that cover each choice. If the punishment is eternal, then we have to take things MUCH more seriously, and that is supposed to be the idea behind the deterrent. For us to have reverential fear.
 
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Alive_AgainIf He's going to keep His faithful ones who chose Jesus' ultimate sacrifice eternally in peace, love, and joy, why would it seem like a stretch for those who rejected Jesus' ultimate sacrifice to suffer eternally?
Because unending torture cannot be the will of a God of peace, love and joy. It defies His very nature.

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If we're eternal spirit creatures, it would seem that we'll remain in the state we're in when we die (spiritually) and their are places that cover each choice.
We are not eternal spirit creatures. We are created beings who by Jesus' sacrifice will have immortality bestowed on us.

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If the punishment is eternal, then we have to take things MUCH more seriously, and that is supposed to be the idea behind the deterrent. For us to have reverential fear.
I think the fate of death is serious enough. So much so that most people do everything in their power to avoid it.

What do you think is the best passage of scripture which supports eternal suffering?
 
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Because unending torture cannot be the will of a God of peace, love and joy. It defies His very nature.

You're only really familiar with one side of His nature. There is the goodness and severity of God. In one place it says His name is jealous. In countless places it speaks of very harsh judgment.

We are created in the image and likeness of God and are eternal.

There are many "witnesses" in the Word of God that speak of eternal or everlasting punishment. Some use the same word in the OT that describes God's eternal nature.

“The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms:
and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.
Deut 33:27

“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
Psalms 41:13

“Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.
Psalms 93:2


“And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Dan 12:1-3

“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Micah 5:2

“Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Matt 18:7-9

“And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Matt 19:29-30

“And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matt 25:40-41

“Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matt 25:45-46

“And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
Luke 16:9

“And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Luke 18:29-30

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

“But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 4:14

“Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
John 6:27

“And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:39-40

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:47-51

“And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
John 12:50

“Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
Acts 13:46

“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:22-23

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
Romans 16:26-27

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:7-8

“Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2 Thess 1:6-10

“Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
2 Thess 2:16-17

“Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Tim 1:16-17

“Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1 Tim 6:16

“Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Heb 13:20-21

“Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:10-11

“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:6-7

“And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:6

“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:43-48

He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matt 13:37-43 (KJV)

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 13:47-50

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:9-15
 
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Hi Alive_Again.
I read all the scriptures you provided and I'm going to edit them for space and just deal with the subject of Gods final judgement if that's ok with you.
You're only really familiar with one side of His nature. There is the goodness and severity of God. In one place it says His name is jealous. In countless places it speaks of very harsh judgment.
I'm aware of God telling us He's jealous and I know of His harsh judgements on sinners, but unending torture is merciless and that doesn't fit His character.
We are created in the image and likeness of God and are eternal.
Immortality is a quality which is only possessed by God. "...the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords, who only hath immortality..." 1 Tim.6:15-16
He will bestow this as a gift to believers.
There are many "witnesses" in the Word of God that speak of eternal or everlasting punishment. Some use the same word in the OT that describes God's eternal nature.
Alive, again, I did read every quote you provided, but I'm deleting the ones which speak of Gods eternal nature because I understand how that term is used to define the final judgement and I have no problem agreeing with you that His decision will be everlasting. The question is, will this eternal punishment include eternal suffering?
“ And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan 12:1-3
To have a legacy of shame and contempt does not necessitate eternal torture. Do you agree?

“ it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.... it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Matt 18:7-9
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Matt 25:40-41
Is Jesus teaching us that it is better to enter Gods kingdom than to have our existence extinguished?
“Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matt 25:45-46
Does punishment mean having life taken from us forever?
“ For the wages of sin is death; Romans 6:22-23
Does death include eternal suffering?
“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption...Gal 6:7-8
Does corruption include unending torture?
“Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power...2 Thess 1:6-10
This seems to indicate that unbelievers will no longer exist, because there is nowhere anyone can go to escape Gods presence. "Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there." Ps.139:7-8

“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:6-7
Here, eternal fire doesn't mean unending fire. S & G were completely destroyed.
“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:43-48
A worm that doesn't die and unquenchable fire both completely devour the body.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Matt 13:37-43 (KJV)
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matt 13:47-50
There will be wailing when the unsaved are cast into the fire. Do they cry forever?
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever....14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20:9-15
It is also said that Satan will be turned into ash. "...I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth..." Eze.28:18. Death and hell (the grave) will be cast into the fire. Why? Is it because they will be forever destroyed?
 
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What we learn is that its far better to chop off a limb, or pluck out an eye then the whole body to be cast into Geenna

The whole body from where?

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell (hades) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell (hades) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

So death (and hades) goes into whats called the second death, (the lake of fire) and after those in both death and hell are delivered up out of them

And it continues...

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Where these are

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And of these spoken of earlier it says...

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

And again

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And go where these are

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And this after their FIRST raised UP out of both death and hades (death and hades cast into the lake of fire) and whoever is not found is also cast into the lake of fire (called the second death).
 
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Here are some verses if they can help the OP, just some comparisons I was making between the book of life and second death (lake of fire) also

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Phil 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life

Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Whereas we know this is the second death

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

And likewise here the same

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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the hell is a suffering, not nothingness, and it is eternal insofar as the fates of souls are changed off through(-out) the circles of the eternity, because why to be some soul punished more than it damnified?!, if any human caused some evil to another e.g. for 1 year, why must be caused to it e.g. the same evil, but for more than 1 year at this rate?!, is God unfair indeed?!, however even 1 year in systematic suffering is enough long hell so as the villainy to be worth

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Hi Fireinfolding.
What we learn is that its far better to chop off a limb, or pluck out an eye then the whole body to be cast into Geenna
The Lord said it's better to enter life in a reduced capacity than to be thrown into the fire. Please keep in mind there is no mention of eternal suffering here.
The whole body from where?
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell (hades) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell (hades) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
So death (and hades) goes into whats called the second death, (the lake of fire) and after those in both death and hell are delivered up out of them
The dead are raised before (not after) death and hell are cast into the fire. Why?
And it continues...
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Where these are
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Just for the record, the word "are" isn't in the original. It could be that the beast and false prophet "were" there, but were annihilated. What really bothers me is that outside of this one verse and the Lazarus story (which isn't about eternal torture), there is nothing else in the Bible where eternal suffering is taught. It seems everything else in the Bible witnesses against eternal torture. Why? Is it possible that we are misreading what "tormented day and night forever and ever means?" The word translated "torture" does have one other meaning.
And of these spoken of earlier it says...
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
And again
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
And go where these are
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Of all the scriptures you provided to show how it is Gods plan to torture the unsaved eternally, this is the only one that seems to say it. Don't you find that strange?

And this after their FIRST raised UP out of both death and hades (death and hades cast into the lake of fire) and whoever is not found is also cast into the lake of fire (called the second death).
It says the dead are rasied first and then death and hell are cast into the fire. Why are death and hell cast into the fire before unbelievers? Could it be that the fire consumes everything that goes into it and death and hell will no longer exist?
"...O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction..." Hos.3:14
Do you believe the death and the grave will exist in the lake of of fire forever, or that they will be destroyed?

Here are some verses if they can help the OP, just some comparisons I was making between the book of life and second death (lake of fire) also
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Does the smoke of their torment ascend to infinity because they were turned into smoke?
"But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume into smoke shall they consume away." Ps.37:20
How do you reconcile Rev.14:11 with Ps.37:20?

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Phil 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life
Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Whereas we know this is the second death
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death
Death and hell are abstracts. It seems there would be no reason to cast them into the lake of fire, unless the act is symbolic of having them destroyed.
And likewise here the same
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Where they suffer for all eternity?
 
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Immortality is a quality which is only possessed by God. "...the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords, who only hath immortality..." 1 Tim.6:15-16
According to Vine's, "immortality" (athanasia), means "deathlessness" (a, negative, thanatos, Gk. for "death"). It is rendered "immortality" in 1 Cor 15:53, 54, of the glorified body of the believer; 1 Tim 6:16, of the nature of God (Vine, W. E., Unger, M. F., & White, W. (1996). Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words. Nashville, TN: T. Nelson).

People sometimes take single scriptures from their intended meaning (due to the English rendering). This is obvious because the other “witnesses” in the Word of God do not agree. We are safe in comparing these scriptures to other passages in the Bible. This gives us a “multitude of counselors” from our one source of absolute truth.

“ And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan 12:1-3

To have a legacy of shame and contempt does not necessitate eternal torture. Do you agree?
It could be said that you could be held in everlasting contempt, like Hitler is to most people without being aware of this. This passage talks about the dead “awaking” to judgment. What’s the point of doing this if their judgment is fleeting? If they’re already gone and held in contempt by others, what does this accomplish? The “everlasting contempt” is a lasting state of being of which the unrighteous dead attain to.

“it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.... it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Matt 18:7-9

Everlasting fire… The fire does not go out (is not quenched) or the worm does not die. What is the importance of the worm not dying if you do? Are only the worms eternal?

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Matt 25:40-41
Is Jesus teaching us that it is better to enter Gods kingdom than to have our existence extinguished?
The devil has been around for millions of years (at least) and has led countless souls to eternal torment. His being burned up or “destroyed” as some would interpret it won’t be a fleeting log in the fire. We and those who were deceived by him, will burn in everlasting fire.

People really do read this in to the scriptures, even though they clearly state otherwise. They have much faith in the goodness of God (commendable to be sure), but the reverential fear element should remain because as the Heavenly reward is so extremely and eternally wonderful, the reward in Hell and eventually the lake of fire is also extreme and eternal. That’s part of the deterrent and it should not be minimized. The scriptures are clear.

“Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matt 25:45-46

This scripture shows that it is our deeds that will be judged. Although we cannot gain entrance into the Kingdom of God by works, our heart condition reveals works. Those guarding their hearts with the issues of life will bear good fruit and those who are of the world and of the evil one, do not give heed to the Word of God and will suffer lasting punishment, while the righteous, eternal life.

Does punishment mean having life taken from us forever?

The punishment is everlasting. If you’re punishment was only for an hour (how long does it take to be destroyed by Hell fire?), it would not be everlasting, even though it would be forever.
You’re aware that your punishment is everlasting. This is why it is important to hear these warnings and give heed to them, because EVERYONE, believers and non-believers need to obey God. Some thing that just because they got on the holy highway, and become “in Christ” that they will always (by default) abide in His love. We’re told to abide there and it’s potentially easy to be taken by idols, go back into (and of) the world, become overtaken by covetousness, hate our brothers, become a liar, etc. God will forgive us if we repent, but many take the grace of God for granted and always assume after they’re finished enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season that God will graciously return them to the joys of their salvation. He might be merciful, but we have many examples from scripture, where God is no respecter of persons, and that we (WE) are to pass our time of sojourn here in godly fear.

“Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power...2 Thess 1:6-10

This seems to indicate that unbelievers will no longer exist, because there is nowhere anyone can go to escape Gods presence. "Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there." Ps.139:7-8
Everlasting destruction - Destruction is an ongoing thing that is everlasting. If you are “being destroyed”, then it is not a one time destruction for ever. It is a state of being destroyed.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:6-7

Here, eternal fire doesn't mean unending fire. S & G were completely destroyed.
The cities were destroyed, but really it is talking about the people of Sodom and Gomorrha. The cities were destroyed very quickly, yet what we’re talking about here is “eternal fire” as a vengeance. Those angels, thought to be the ones that joined themselves with the women of early mankind, have been in “everlasting chains”, waiting for judgment. They’re not getting out of their chains. It’s bad for them, not because they’re going to be burned like everyone else, but rather because their fire is everlasting. Their chains, everlasting. It’s going to be bad for them.

“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:43-48
A worm that doesn't die and unquenchable fire both completely devour the body.

There is not need for fire that cannot be quenched or worms that don’t die if you are taken out of existence.
They don’t die because the one in Hell will always be, in a state of death and separation. Their torment is everlasting, in this case by flame and by worms. Notice the worms are not burned up.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever....14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20:9-15

If the devil is going to be tormented night and day forever, and if another place,
Hell is described as place for the devil and his angels, and that we might go there as disobedient, then this is more than a temporary disposition.

These people were already suffering in Hell. The rich man in the gospels has been judged and was suffering (and is) torments. Those in Hell and “the sea” (demonstrating all “walks of death”) will be “raised” (already aware and suffering) and receive a judgment where they will be consigned to a mutual judgment of horrible fire (not doubt worse that what Hell had been). If their is fire in Hell already, it must be a lot worse in the lake of fire. If people were burned out quickly in the fires of Hell, what gain is their by putting them in the lake where the they would be burned out even more quickly?

Satan is the main perpetrator of all sin. He’s put many in the fire for thousands of years, would it be righteous of God to have him be the “last one in” and be destroyed immediately
. How long does it take a body to burn completely?

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luke 16:22-26

The rich man in the account of Lazarus has been there for over 2,000 years and it doesn’t take that long to burn or “destroy” someone in Hell fire.
Furthermore, although he abode in flames, he still has the presence of mind to think about his family, desire even a drop of water (I don’t think anyone on earth burning is going to think about a single drop of water.) Who has a conversation while you're on fire? It is a lasting fire and he didn't want his family to go there (God help our families!).

The burnings were his punishment. He was supposed to be tormented (not just burned). People who are on fire don’t really have to be concerned about a gulf between the righteous dead and the unrighteous dead. Their was though because this was a “permanent” condition (until there are take to the White Throne Judgment at the end of time, where their punishment will be far worse. The Word also says that some people’s punishments will be FAR worse than others. Just being rich and ignoring the suffering of Lazarus, however bad, is pretty small potatoes compared to people like Mao, Hitler, Stalin, etc., who murdered millions. Some, for just being the people of God. Just being burned up and “destroyed” as though this destruction were short and merciful (God’s character), would not be a worse punishment.

Their have been those in Hell for much longer than 4,000 years. How fair would that be compared to Hitler?

Jesus equates loving Him by doing what He says. It’s pretty easy to get sidetracked. Thank God He IS merciful, but the things that we do have consequences. If we allow our hearts to harden, we will no longer be people of faith, even though we may “believe” otherwise. The devils believe. We are to have corresponding actions of faith (such as feeding and clothing the needy, visiting those in jail and who are in need. They are admonitions to us so we will be open to His promptings to do these things when they arise and not harden ourselves. We’re supposed to “know” Him intimately. This is a spiritual “knowing”, but it is like a man “knows” his wife. Workers of iniquity (that could be you or I if we’re not careful) will depart from Him. That same God that sent His Son to die for us sends believers and unbelievers alike to Hell for not obeying His Word (not walking in love). Our fruits will tell the tale.

It’s easy to think that people will not spend eternity in Hell when they think that believers because they is “sealed” and “born again” will always go to Heaven for the very actions unbelievers will be eternally punished for. (Jesus points to the fruits equating their judgments.) He didn’t say “Because you weren’t born again”, He says, because you did this, or didn’t do that.

It’s not our own righteous works that will do this, and we MUST be born again to enter into covenant and walk in His Spirit. We will reap that which we sow. We are now given the ability as believers to sow life and reap everlasting life (entirely by grace). We also have the ability (by means of still having a sinful fleshly nature) of doing just the opposite. It is more serious for a believer to go to Hell than an non believer. We should take the warnings of God very seriously, particularly as believers. Not just for a temporary burning up, but because, as the Word teaches, punishment is everlasting and for ever and ever.
 
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The Lord said it's better to enter life in a reduced capacity than to be thrown into the fire. Please keep in mind there is no mention of eternal suffering here.
The dead are raised before (not after) death and hell are cast into the fire. Why?
Just for the record, the word "are" isn't in the original. It could be that the beast and false prophet "were" there, but were annihilated. What really bothers me is that outside of this one verse and the Lazarus story (which isn't about eternal torture), there is nothing else in the Bible where eternal suffering is taught. It seems everything else in the Bible witnesses against eternal torture. Why? Is it possible that we are misreading what "tormented day and night forever and ever means?" The word translated "torture" does have one other meaning.
Of all the scriptures you provided to show how it is Gods plan to torture the unsaved eternally, this is the only one that seems to say it. Don't you find that strange?

It says the dead are rasied first and then death and hell are cast into the fire. Why are death and hell cast into the fire before unbelievers? Could it be that the fire consumes everything that goes into it and death and hell will no longer exist?
"...O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction..." Hos.3:14
Do you believe the death and the grave will exist in the lake of of fire forever, or that they will be destroyed?

Does the smoke of their torment ascend to infinity because they were turned into smoke?
"But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume into smoke shall they consume away." Ps.37:20
How do you reconcile Rev.14:11 with Ps.37:20?

Death and hell are abstracts. It seems there would be no reason to cast them into the lake of fire, unless the act is symbolic of having them destroyed.
And likewise here the same
Where they suffer for all eternity?

You appear to have problems with the scriptures, and must wrest with each one.
 
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