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Hebrews and the preterist view

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by aggie03, Jun 25, 2002.

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  1. Ozarkpreterist

    Ozarkpreterist New Member


    I will have to agree with manifestation. World without end is not a major premise of Preterism, and moreover Preterism is not dependent upon this idea. You are definitely straining out a nat a swallowing a camel. What you have here is a case of science verses the Bible on this matter. You have sided with science, and the preterists have sided with the Bible. Science verses the Bible is not what eschatology concerns itself with. If you want to disprove Preterism, you are going to have to come after its major points.

    You are going to have to deal with things like the time statements of the New Testament. You will have to explain why Jesus stood face to face with many people and said that they personally would see the Son of Man come in glory. You will have to explain why ALL of the apostles anticipated the return of Christ in their generation. You will have to explain why words like "soon" and "quickly" do not really mean soon and quickly but over 2000 years.

    You will have to explain why Jesus said the kingdom of God was near. Yet, according to the futurists His present day church will not even get to experience it. You will have explain why Jesus said the kingdom of God is within us, it comes without observation, and it is not of this world. Yet, futurists are looking for a kingdom that is not within us, comes with observation, and is of this world.

    I am afraid all the science in the world will not help you with these things. And they are only a few of the majors. Oh, and no mumbo jumbo please.

  2. Phoenix

    Phoenix Senior Member

    Thanks Parousia and Jenlu, i'll be looking forward to it.
  3. Subject: Noah and the traditions of men.

    It is the year 2002 and Noah lives in the United States.

    The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water until all is destroyed.

    But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."

    In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.

    Fearful and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark. "Remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year."

    Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard weeping.

    "Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?" "Lord please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit to believe the words you have said, from the leaders of Church, to see if it complies with what is written in their creeds and the traditional teaching of men before they would let me begin construction on your plans.

    Then I got into a fight with the members of the Church because they said, to God a day or a year, is as a thousand years to the Lord. So they would not let me hire an engineering to firm and redraw the plans.

    Then my Christian neighbor objected, claiming believing your words was heresies and violating zoning ordinances so they would not let me start building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.

    I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S. Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls. However, the leader of Church wonÂ’t let me catch any owls because they said a year, or soon, does not mean a year, or soon, in their doctrines. So. no owls.

    The Christian carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Relations Board. Now I have 16 newly saved carpenters who trust your words and not the ideas of men, on the Ark, but still no owls.

    When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by the leaders of the Church groups because they said, at hand does not mean at hand in their doctrines. They objected to me taking any kind of animals aboard.

    Just when I got the suit dismissed, the Church leaders notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on the proposed of believing your words about the flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that I did not, believe the ideas and traditional of men, over the Creator of the universe.

    Then IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes. I just got a notice from the State that I owe some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a recreational water craft.

    Finally the Church got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying God does really mean this generation, but a generation in the far future. I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah wailed.

    The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are going to destroy the earth, Lord?"

    "No," said the Lord. "You mean you are not going to show the word you keep your words?" "No," said the Lord sadly. "The Church has already done that."
  4. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

    I've already been invited!! :D

    hehe anyway, yea he's a bit busy these days. ;)

  5. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

    Hi Aggie,

    Preterists don't believe that Jesus came in 70 AD to set up an earthly kingdom.  Rather, preterists believe that Jesus set up a spiritual kingdom.

    Here's why:

    Jesus said his kingdom is 'not of this world' (John 18:36)

    When Jesus was asked about the kingdom of God he said this:

    "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:20-21)

    And Paul says that 'flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God' (1 Cor 15:50)

    God bless!

  6. Hidden Manna

    Hidden Manna Veteran

    It's that simple but they just do not get it, the carnal minded that is. :sigh: :cry: :mad: :sorry: :pray:
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