Hebrews 8 shows us that Christ gave the TEN Commandments - Christ's Commandments

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Once again, one verse taken out of its context does not reveal the whole picture.


Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also,
Rom 3:30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.


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It's not taken out of context. Paul does not teach two different gospels.


You're free to believe what you want, but we are trying to help you. We show our love to God through obedience not disobedience. Jesus has some stern warnings to those who teach others to disobey God's commandments.

Matthews 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Least means lost, not barely making it into heaven.

Something I would consider praying about.
 
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Speaking about details that matters, why did you leave out Isa 56:1?

I left out the 39 books of the OT and the 27 books of the NT when I quoted just a few verses in my previous post. I often do that.

So far you have not addressed a single point in the texts listed in this post

It is a flat out command to gentiles AND a prophecy about the future. Both are in Is 56 and neither gives us the green light to ignore it.


2 Blessed is a man who does this,
And a son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

That is not "the man who will in the future do this". But "the man who does".

Details matter even when inconvenient.


3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will certainly separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold firmly to My covenant,

"who keep" present tense.

who exist - present tense.



6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;


No wonder GENTILES who are not "brethren" (not Jews, not able to participate in Passover) but rather are "god fearers" (i.e. believing gentiles) in Acts 13 ask for MORE Gospel preaching on "the NEXT Sabbath".
 
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It's not taken out of context. Paul does not teach two different gospels.

You are correct.

In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul spoke of the "two covenants" and told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".

Have you followed Paul's instructions?

Or, are you a slave to the bondwoman?

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I left out the 39 books of the OT and the 27 books of the NT when I quoted just a few verses in my previous post. I often do that.

So far you have not addressed a single point in the texts listed in this post
When the first verse of a prophesy you interpret gives a timeline, why ignore it? It can show more facts.
Isa 56:1¶ Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
 
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Speaking about details that matters, why did you leave out Isa 56:1?

I left out the 39 books of the OT and the 27 books of the NT when I quoted just a few verses in my previous post. I often do that.

So far you have not addressed a single point in the texts listed in this post

It is a flat out command to gentiles AND a prophecy about the future. Both are in Is 56 and neither gives us the green light to ignore it.


2 Blessed is a man who does this,
And a son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

That is not "the man who will in the future do this". But "the man who does".

Details matter even when inconvenient.


3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will certainly separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold firmly to My covenant,

"who keep" present tense.

who exist - present tense.



6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;


No wonder GENTILES who are not "brethren" (not Jews, not able to participate in Passover) but rather are "god fearers" (i.e. believing gentiles) in Acts 13 ask for MORE Gospel preaching on "the NEXT Sabbath".

When the first verse of a prophesy you interpret gives a timeline, why ignore it? It can show more facts.
Isa 56:1¶ Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

So far you have not addressed a single text listed in that post
 
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I left out the 39 books of the OT and the 27 books of the NT when I quoted just a few verses in my previous post. I often do that.

So far you have not addressed a single point in the texts listed in this post
The fact is, you left out part of the prophesy because it was talking about Jesus first coming and not His future coming.


So far you have not addressed a single text listed in that post
The text speaks for itself, we don't agree with your comments. It was future to Isaiah's generation, but about the coming of Jesus not the second coming.
 
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command to gentiles
Is 56
2 Blessed is a man who does this,
And a son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

That is not "the man who will in the future do this". But "the man who does".

Details matter even when inconvenient.


3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will certainly separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold firmly to My covenant,

"who keep" present tense.

who exist - present tense.



6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;


No wonder GENTILES who are not "brethren" (not Jews, not able to participate in Passover) but rather are "god fearers" (i.e. believing gentiles) in Acts 13 ask for MORE Gospel preaching on "the NEXT Sabbath".



The fact is, you left out part of the prophesy

This command is not a prophecy it is not saying "someday I will command this" -- details matter.

Is 56
2 Blessed is a man who does this,
And a son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

That is not "the man who will in the future do this". But "the man who does".

3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will certainly separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold firmly to My covenant,

"who keep" present tense.

who exist - present tense.



6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;


No wonder GENTILES who are not "brethren" (not Jews, not able to participate in Passover) but rather are "god fearers" (i.e. believing gentiles) in Acts 13 ask for MORE Gospel preaching on "the NEXT Sabbath".

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All the details you keep ignoring
 
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This command is not a prophecy it is not saying "someday I will command this" -- details matter.

Is 56
2 Blessed is a man who does this,
And a son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

That is not "the man who will in the future do this". But "the man who does".

3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will certainly separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold firmly to My covenant,

"who keep" present tense.

who exist - present tense.



6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;


No wonder GENTILES who are not "brethren" (not Jews, not able to participate in Passover) but rather are "god fearers" (i.e. believing gentiles) in Acts 13 ask for MORE Gospel preaching on "the NEXT Sabbath".

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All the details you keep ignoring
The whole chapter is a prophecy. The covenant spoken about is the Old Covenant. God did welcome the eunuchs and strangers to join Israel as proselytes. This prophesy is about the first coming of Christ.
 
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command to gentiles
Is 56
2 Blessed is a man who does this,
And a son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

That is not "the man who will in the future do this". But "the man who does".

Details matter even when inconvenient.


3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will certainly separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold firmly to My covenant,

"who keep" present tense.

who exist - present tense.



6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;


No wonder GENTILES who are not "brethren" (not Jews, not able to participate in Passover) but rather are "god fearers" (i.e. believing gentiles) in Acts 13 ask for MORE Gospel preaching on "the NEXT Sabbath".



The fact is, you left out part of the prophesy

This command is not a prophecy it is not saying "someday I will command this" -- details matter.

Is 56
2 Blessed is a man who does this,
And a son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

That is not "the man who will in the future do this". But "the man who does".

3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will certainly separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold firmly to My covenant,

"who keep" present tense.

who exist - present tense.



6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;


No wonder GENTILES who are not "brethren" (not Jews, not able to participate in Passover) but rather are "god fearers" (i.e. believing gentiles) in Acts 13 ask for MORE Gospel preaching on "the NEXT Sabbath".

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All the details you keep ignoring

You're desperate to create your own truth. .

Each time scripture is quoted you state your strong objection to it.

We see God mention the Sabbath specifically for gentiles in the text to which you are objecting.

Mark 2:27 the "Sabbath was mad for mankind" - gentiles are part of "mankind"
Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" - gentiles are part of "mankind"

No wonder we see God specifically single out gentiles for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6.

I understand that your POV requires that you object when you see these texts quoted - but that should be a hint that something in your POV is not right.
 
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It does matter that all of Isa 56 is a prophesy from Isaiah written his lifetime.

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
(The coming of Jesus Christ was God's salvation that was near to come.
Righteousness by faith apart from the law is God's revealed righteousness)



Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
( Isaiah is talking to Jews about the Old covenant, and proselyting the strangers and eunuchs who would join them)

You're using the Old Covenant requirements as New Covenant directives. You have no choice but to try and confuse the law and faith.

Gal 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
 
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It does matter that all of Isa 56 is a prophesy from Isaiah written his lifetime.

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
(The coming of Jesus Christ was God's salvation that was near to come.
Righteousness by faith apart from the law is God's revealed righteousness)



Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
( Isaiah's prophesy is talking to Jews about the Old covenant, and proselyting the strangers and eunuchs who would join them)

You're using the Old Covenant requirements as New Covenant directives. You have no choice but to try and confuse the law and faith.

Gal 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Sabbathkeeping is of the law and not of faith. So days to worship God is not isolated to the Sabbath day as under the law.
No, we don't have to show Sunday Sabbaths or other falsely comprised doctrines the bible does not teach.
 
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I was responding to BobRyan but Heb 3,4 is not a call to keep the weekly sabbath.
Brother, those before Jesus "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" could not have entered what was still future. We must enter the "rest" in which they had not entered for 40 years by oath due to their disobedience. The only "rest" available to them as for us is the "rest" on the Sabbath.

And who made God angry for forty years? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. (Hebrews 3:17-19 NLT)​

The "rest" they could have entered into as we "can" is the Sabbath "rest".

For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” (Hebrews 4:3-4 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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I was responding to BobRyan but Heb 3,4 is not a call to keep the weekly sabbath.

"There REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4.

Remains -- from when?

It "remains" as it was in Ps 96 at the time of David according to Heb 4.

hmm that is pretty interesting. The weekly Sabbath remains as it was at that time ... it remains to this very day ... unchanged.
 
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"There REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4.

Remains -- from when?

It "remains" as it was in Ps 96 at the time of David according to Heb 4.

hmm that is pretty interesting. The weekly Sabbath remains as it was at that time ... it remains to this very day ... unchanged.


If the SDA doctrine only works by ignoring the Gospel in the passage below, we can all see the true meaning of this passage.


Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";
Heb 4:5 and again in this place: "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST."
Heb 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
Heb 4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "TODAY," after such a long time, as it has been said: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS."
Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.


Who has not entered into the Gospel of His rest?


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If the SDA doctrine only works by ignoring the Gospel in the passage below, we can all see the true meaning of this passage. Who has not entered into the Gospel of His rest?
Brother, both sides of the debate! Those who keep Sunday and those who keep the tradition of Judaism outside of Israel's time zone have not entered the gospel, or the good news, of the call to "enter" into the "rest" of God's Sabbath, as those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" for 40 years because of an "oath" before reaching the Promised Land.

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.” Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NKJV)​

Those before Jesus "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" could not have entered what was still future. We must enter the "rest" in which they had not entered for 40 years by oath due to their disobedience. The only "rest" available to them as for us is the "rest" on the Sabbath.

And who made God angry for forty years? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. (Hebrews 3:17-19 NLT)​

The "rest" they could have entered into as we "can" is the Sabbath "rest".

For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” (Hebrews 4:3-4 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, both sides of the debate! Those who keep Sunday and those who keep the tradition of Judaism outside of Israel's time zone have not entered the gospel, or the good news, of the call to "enter" into the "rest" of God's Sabbath, as those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" for 40 years because of an "oath" before reaching the Promised Land.

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.” Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NKJV)​

Those before Jesus "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" could not have entered what was still future. We must enter the "rest" in which they had not entered for 40 years by oath due to their disobedience. The only "rest" available to them as for us is the "rest" on the Sabbath.

And who made God angry for forty years? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. (Hebrews 3:17-19 NLT)​

The "rest" they could have entered into as we "can" is the Sabbath "rest".

For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” (Hebrews 4:3-4 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge


If you cannot understand the difference between an Old Covenant day of rest from their works attempting to keep the Sinai Covenant, and the Gospel rest of His New Covenant works at Calvary, do you really understand the New Covenant?


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



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If you cannot understand the difference between an Old Covenant day of rest from their works attempting to keep the Sinai Covenant, and the Gospel rest of His New Covenant works at Calvary, do you really understand the New Covenant?
Brother, the new covenant is the same as the old covenant in how God saves us. God's salvation has always been through God's grace for our repentance to return to obedience. What do you think animal sacrifices are but God's illustration of His grace through Jesus' future death to bring us back to obedience? When God says in Hebrews 3 and 4 that we must keep the "rest" of the Sabbath, then that is what we must do or suffer the consequences of disobedience, just like those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" for 40 years because of an "oath" due to their disobedience.

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, (2 Timothy 1:9 KJV)​

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Heb 8:6-12 makes it very clear that Christ is the one speaking at Sinai

1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord set up, not man... 6 But now He (Christ) has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He (Christ) is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. 8 For in finding fault with the people, He (Christ) says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord (Christ),
When I (Christ) will bring about a new covenant
With the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
9 Not like the covenant which I (Christ) made with their fathers
On the day I (Christ) took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I (Christ) did not care about them, says the Lord (Christ).
10 For this is the covenant which I (Christ) will make with the house of Israel
After those days, declares the Lord:
I (Christ) will put My (Christ) laws into their minds,
And write them on their hearts.
And I (Christ) will be their God,
And they shall be My (Christ) people.
11 And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen,
And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For they will all know Me (Christ),
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 For I (Christ) will be merciful toward their wrongdoings,
And their sins I (Christ) will no longer remember.”
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So then the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 known to Jeremiah and his readers writes the LAW of God "on heart and mind". That includes the TEN according to Paul in Eph 6:2 having "honor your father and mother as the first commandment WITH a promise". And even in the NT - "Sin IS the transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4. Which means it is "still a sin" - to take God's name in vain (Ex 20:7) - even for born again Christians.

So then NO such thing as "God's covenant deleted/removed/annulled/set-aside/made void" - the Commandments of God.

Rather "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
And "this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Where saints are commanded to "fulfill" compliance with those commandments found in the Law of Moses as noted by Christ in Matt 19 where He says "KEEP the Commandments" - and Paul quotes from that same list in Rom 13.

Rom 3:"31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law."



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We can notice that the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers included the TEN - as Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations freely admit


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


That is a good example of a text that does not say "the Commandments of God have been made obsolete" but rather the old covenant is obsolete for those under the New Covenant.

Here is another one "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm all TEN of the Ten Commandments for Christians and the Sabbath in Eden for all mankind from Eden to the cross.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

I like it when Christians from many different points of view can all agree on the same obvious Bible details.
Christ gave the Old Covenant on Mount Sinai, to the Jews. All commands relevant to contemporary Christians are found in the New.
 
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