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Hebrews 8 shows us that Christ gave the TEN Commandments - Christ's Commandments

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by BobRyan, Jul 29, 2021.

  1. Hezekiah81

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    They that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh, they that are after the Spirit mind the things of the Spirit. God bless you.
     
  2. Semper-Fi

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    "The curse of the law"

    Many believe the law itself is “the curse” but scripture tells us Gods law is holy,
    just, and good in Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment
    holy, and just, and good.”

    So what was the curse? The curse of the law came in by 2 ways, the first is shown
    in Deuteronomy 27:26 “Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law
    to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.”

    The first part of this curse has to do with sin as it is written in Romans 7:10-11
    “And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
    11 For sin, taking occasion by the com. , deceived me, and by it slew me.” Again
    we see the law was ordained unto life, but the curse came when man could not
    keep the law because of the weakness of his flesh and sin.

    So who’s the bad guy here, the law, or sin?
    If you answered sin then you would be correct.

    Now for the second part of the curse, which is swearing to the oath. It is written Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:
    for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are
    written in the book of the law to do them.”

    After Moses had read the law, all the blessings and the curses, the people then bound themselves to the oath by agreeing to keep everything that was written in the law. The word oath in Hebrew can also be defined and shown as the word curse in scripture.

    And swearing to an oath can also be shown as binding ones soul to a curse as in
    Neh 10:29 “They clave to their brethren, their nobles, entered into a curse, and
    into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God,
    and to observe and do all the commandents of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;”

    “Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.” Daniel 9:11

    -And here is where the curse came in by swearing themselves to the oath in Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.”

    And so being unable to perform the vow to God to keep the whole law, because of the weakness of the flesh and of sin, then the curses mentioned in the law were put into effect.

    Jesus said in Matthew 5:33-37
    “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you,
    Swear not at all; neither by heaven;for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it
    is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the cityof the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

    But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more
    than these cometh of evil.”

    And here again also in James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your
    yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”
     
  3. Cribstyl

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    True, but the law of the Spirit are only 2 commandments. It commands your heart to love God and also to love your neighbors.
    If it commanded your hands there would be endless what to do and what not to do.
    God said that He will dwell within you and teach you His laws.
    You teach and expect the one-size-fit-all law given at Sinai to apply to everyone.
    We believe that God is talking about being in the pilot seat for every direction.

    First of all, James is talking about the royal commandment (or law) given by Christ to love your neighbor. You're ignoring context for your commentary to seem true.

    again, you're ignoring context for your comments to seem true. Paul is talking about the fruits of those who make war and go to the law against each other. 1Cor 6:1-11. Faith teaches you that you were bought with the precious blood of Christ and your body is a temple for the Holy Spirit to dwell. Your fruits should be peace, love and other righteous attributes.
    Again, your agenda abuses the wisdom in the scriptures you post.
     
  4. Cribstyl

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    His question "was what was the decrees against us?" Surely, it was not ceremonial laws against Gentiles (they were stranger to the law). Whatever commandments in the law that were sinful actions, was against everyone included Gentiles.

    Just think for a minute. The curse of the law means, the law contains a curse for those under the law, and therefore broke the law. I'm not sure what you're explaining.
     
  5. Semper-Fi

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    Sorry it was late, I posted wrong subject. From post #55

    "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city" (Revelation 22:14).

    Since the bible it is only "those who do His commandments...who have the
    right to enter...the city, the commandments could not be "contrary to us."

    Revelation specifically shows that those who break one of at least four
    of the ten commandments will be outside God's city (Revelation 22:15).

    The ten commandments were not "nailed to the cross," what was?
    Look again at what the Bible actually says (two translations):

    14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us,
    which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having
    nailed it to the cross ( NKJV)

    14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees
    against us
    , which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way,
    having nailed it to the cross.. (Colossians 2:14, NASB)

    The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of
    ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the stake

    Which requirements were wiped out? the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.

    It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that
    the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements").

    But only the penalty, not the law!
    Even some Protestant commentators realize this is so. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:

    "Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,

    1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin.

    This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).

    look at the Greek term exaleipho translated as "wiped out" in Colossians 2:14:

    NT:1813
    exaleipho (ex-al-i'-fo); from NT:1537 and NT:218; to smear out, i.e. obliterate (erase tears, figuratively, pardon sin) (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International)

    In other words, exaleipho has to do with wiping out sin. This is also confirmed
    in Acts 3:19 where Peter also uses the term exaleipho, which is translated as "blotted out" below:

    19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out,
    so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.

    Hence, it is sin and the related penalties that are to be blotted or wiped out.
    And the penalties could vary from "being unclean to the evening" (Leviticus 11:24-28) to making an offering (Leviticus 5:5-6) to being "cut off from his people" (Leviticus 7:27) to the death penalty (Exodus 31:14).

    This is also confirmed elsewhere
    in the New Testament:

    13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become
    a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). The curse of the law is related to
    the penalty. And Jesus paid it.

    But what about the law of God?
    Was the law of God to be wiped out? No:

    17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets.
    I did not come to destroy but to fulfill (Matthew 5:17)

    While some erroneously think that Jesus, for example, did away with the Ten Commandments by how He led His life, that most certainly was not the
    view of the early Christians who continued to keep them[Paul included]

    Furthermore, remember that the Bible clearly teaches that sin is lawlessness:
    Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
    And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him
    there is no sin. (I John 3:4-5).

    Notice that Paul wrote:

    Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How
    shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? (Romans 6:1-2).

    Thus the New Testament makes clear that the law of God continues,
    thus it was not nailed to the cross or somehow wiped out.
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    The Bible, however, also shows that the requirements of the Levitical priesthood (Hebrews 9:1,6-10) sometimes called the law, which were part of the penalty of sin, were blotted out.

    And why?

    "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins...
    By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus once for all" (Hebrews 10:4,10).

    Jesus' one sacrifice was and is sufficient--
    we do not have to sacrifice animals any more!

    Another requirement (which is related) would be the death penalty of sin, as "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23) or other specific ceremonial penalties associated with the Old Testament statutes (such as making a sin offering, being put outside the camp, or washing...).
     
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  6. ralliann

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    Yes it did include Gentiles....by the written law, a written decree of God's judgement...
    It is the curse which God would cause to come upon all the peoples of the nations which persecute Israel when his curse of wrath was upon them.
    De 30:7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.

    Leviticus and Deuteronomy speak of God's wrath to Israel. John the baptist, a prophet from God to Israel warned was coming, it was at hand. He came to preach the baptism of repentance to Israel, an escape from that wrath.
    It is God remembering his covenant made with their father Abraham (covenant of circumcision) which provides for this escape. Just as it occurred with Moses when God was going to destroy all Israel in the wilderness and make a great nation from Moses.
    Ex 32:10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
    Moses response standing between...how will this look to the nations?
    Ex 32:12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
    13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.

    Same thing again here

    Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
    41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

    42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

    Le 26:44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I [am] the LORD their God.
    The law cannot disannul The former covenant which God himself by himself swore to Abraham. God himself swears an oath.

    It is God's promise written in the law of Moses To remember the covenant made with Abraham which promise included him to be made a father to many nations. Israel in repentance preached the coming wrath, all Judea came unto him repenting of their sins and were baptised, in the baptism of repentance.
    Jesus came preaching the kingdom of God promised Abraham (which includes the nations as his seed)
    Deur 30:3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
    4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
    5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
    6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.


    We all of circumcised heart in Jesus Christ, are the seed promised Abraham. We all escape the curse and wrath in our due time. Jew first, then the Gentile.
    Gentiles are either the enemies which persecutes Israel, or we escape that curse, penalty in Christ Jesus. Jew and Gentile each receiving the Mercy of Gods oath to Abraham concerning us.
     
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  7. BobRyan

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    That is not true. Christ does not say that Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" and Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" -- are there to "delete all the Law and the prophets" in Matt 22 -- rather he says they are the firm foundation for all of it.

    In Matt 19 when Christ said "KEEP the Commandments" and is asked "which ones" - he does not even mention "Love God with all your heart".
     
  8. BobRyan

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    My claim is not that "Do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 nullifies the gospel or the promises given to Abraham.
     
  9. ralliann

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    My claim is that "Do not take the Lords name in vain" is not according to the letter of the law, in the new covenant.
     
  10. BobRyan

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    Ex 20:7 is the letter of the Law - and it contains "do not take God's name in vain".

    James 2 - specifically lists the very letters of the Law saying that Christians , saved born-again Christians are convicted by the law as transgressors when they choose to go against it.
     
  11. ralliann

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    The letter of the law also gives you all the works to do which accomplishes this commandment.
    We just do not accomplish it by keeping the letter of the law. An example is our warfare which according to the letter was to go to battle and get the victory for God, or in the name of God. We do not war like Israel did, they did so according to the letter of the law. Our battles in Christ are victorious by his spirit, not the letter
     
  12. BobRyan

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    The Letter of the Law says "do not covet" (Rom 7) and also "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7. It does not say "do this without being a born-again spirit-filled Christian". It just tells us the difference between sin and righteousness.

    So in Matt 5 Jesus quotes "the letter of the Law" and shows how it is broad and deep in its meaning. He does not say in Matt 5 "do this without being a converted born-again Christian". His "letter of the Law" examples do not include "go to war like Israel". Rather they include "do not commit adultery" Matt 5:27 and "do not kill" Matt 5:21 - the same sorts of quotes we find in James 2.
     
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    I don't understand dispensationalism--the idea that God would have two different ways of saving people. I don't hate it, nor do I bear any ill will to those who believe it--I just can't understand it.

    And isn't that really what we're talking about here?

    Why would Revelation refer to Christ as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world if the efficacy of His sacrifice wasn't needed until the actual, blessed Calvary event? :)
     
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    Winner, winner, Chick'n dinner! :)
     
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    But in Jn 15 Jesus is telling us that he indeed kept the laws of the old covenant and He asks us to keep His commands. He then goes on to tell that we are to love others as He loves us. I Jn 3: 19-24 tells us we belong to the truth if we believe in God and love others as Jesus commanded. We are not obligated to observe a bunch of ritual laws of the defunct old covenant to assure our salvation.
     
  17. klutedavid

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    If you remove the law, then there is no sin. If you include the law, then you are guilty of sin.

    The law condemns absolutely.

    The law grants the knowledge of your sin.

    You cannot be righteous in trying to obey the law.

    You cannot ever be right in trying to obey the ten commandments.

    Your not going to tell me that you are righteously obeying the ten commandments?

    I hope that is not what your church is teaching you. That you can obey the law?

    Your flesh could never obey the law and especially not your mind, i.e., your thought life.
     
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    I don't believe anyone is stating that the Law of the old covenant was not perfect. God doesn't make anything that isn't perfect. The fact is it was made for only one nation. Anyone trying to prove differently just doesn't understand because of preconceived ideas that we somehow are obligated to observe the old covenant Sabbath. They start from that position and try to make a case around that premise. A case that will not hold water.
     
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    Indeed... He did not "take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7
    And He DID "love God with all His heart" Deut 6:5
    And He DID "Love His neighbor as Himself" Lev 19:18

    But He did not "open the flood gates to rebellion against the Word of God"

    Turns out - He made the moral law of God "For mankind" Mark 2:27 Rom 3:19-20
    Turns out - "more than just Jews" are not supposed to take God's name in vain.
    Turns out - "more than just the Jews" are supposed to Love God with all their heart.

    Obviously.
     
  20. BobRyan

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    Gal 1:6-9 says there is only "ONE Gospel" and that it was "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 so you are making a very good point.
     
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