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Hebrews 6:4-6

Discussion in 'Baptists' started by JacksLadder, Jun 12, 2009.

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  1. JohnDB

    JohnDB Regular Member

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    But...then why does Paul say that some have "shipwrecked" their faith?

    hopelessly lost and out of action and commission.
    And that doesn't answer the Gnostics...whose faith was based initially on the teachings of the Apostles.

    I don't feel spanked and I don't know your answers to these questions.
    Were those that "shipwrecked their faith" never saved to begin with?
    or are they that "sprang up quickly but withered in the sun"?

    and the Gnostics...were they ever saved too?
     
  2. LiturgyInDMinor

    LiturgyInDMinor Celtic Rite Old Catholic Church

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    Were the Gnostics saved? I compare them to modern day mormons on how off they are theologically...but I can't say whether they are saved or not...I am not God. ;)
    As a selfish human I'd say NO WAY are they saved, nor were they ever saved!!!
    I honestly cannot claim to know who is or who isn't saved based on anything, I can assume things based on theology...but in the end? I will not make claim to know anyone's salvation.

    Thanks for listening.
     
  3. the particular baptist

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    I would compare the gnostics to modern day pentecostalism.
     
  4. Jerrell

    Jerrell Minister of Christ

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    When I think of gnostics I think of a secretive society of religous folk, let's keep in mind that many of them lived in Egypt and surronding areas.
     
  5. TimRout

    TimRout Biblicist

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    Wow TFS! Strong words. Would you care to refine that statement?
     
  6. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    You know what, I have an ex-brother-in-law whom I consider as still part of my family even though he is divorced from my sister.

    He was raised Pentecostal, a member of Yorkwood Church of God, and if you would talk with him, you'd be supprised just how much of Baptist doctrine he agrees with. He and I even went to Baptist seminary classes together.

    I cannot believe that these marks of Gnosticism are present on Pentecostals:



    Source

    I'm sorry, but I just cannot accept your description of Pentecostals as being lumped in with Gnosticism.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
  7. the particular baptist

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    Id like to qualify my original statement.

    I would compare some aspects of gnosticism and montanism to modern day pentecostaslism and third wave/latter rain/open heaven movements.

    Firstly, in no way am i generalizing pentecostalism to include my brothers at Sovereign Grace churches and Alliance churches. Sovereign Grace charismatics are reformed in soteriology as well as some Alliance churches.
    I am speaking of classic pentecostalism and the third wave+ movements after it.

    Here is my comparison.

    Gnosticism taught that one can have/receive/obtain "gnosis" or knowledge others cant, and directly influenced Montanus and his teaching that montanists prophecies and "gnosis" superceded/replaced/re-interpreted the teaching and writing of the Apostles.

    Pentecostalism>Third Wave/ Latter Rain/ Open Heaven teach this form of "gnosis" as well. The only way one can have this knowledge is not from the scriptures, but from the person claiming to have this revelation. This revelation supercedes/replaces/re-interprets the clear teaching of the Scriptures. It is Scriptures AND "knowledge"/prophecies





    Sola Scriptura
     
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2009
  8. JohnDB

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    What I do know of Charismatic type congregations is that a single christian male will find out the exact reason the ladies there do wear skirts/dresses.
     
  9. TimRout

    TimRout Biblicist

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    I'm not sure I follow....
     
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