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Hebrews 3-4 [KJB], the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD JEHOVAH - "my rest" "remaineth" to My people.

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by The7thColporteur, May 20, 2018.

  1. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

    United States
    Hebrews 4:12 KJB - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    [A1] "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword ..."

    [A2] "... piercing even to the dividing asunder of ..."​

    [B1] "... soul ..."

    [B2] "... of the joints and marrow ..."​

    [C1] "... spirit ..."

    [C2] "... is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."​

    As the whole of Hebrews 3-4 KJB is speaking about faith and unbelief and the entering into or not entering into God's rest, how then does faith come? The Holy Ghost, answers in Hebrews 4:12 KJB, as elsewhere, by "the word of God":

    Romans 10:6 KJB - But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

    Romans 10:7 KJB - Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

    Romans 10:8 KJB - But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

    Romans 10:9 KJB - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    Romans 10:10 KJB - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    Romans 10:11 KJB - For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

    Romans 10:12 KJB - For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

    Romans 10:13 KJB - For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    Romans 10:14 KJB - How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    Romans 10:15 KJB - And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

    Romans 10:16 KJB - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

    Romans 10:17 KJB - So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    Romans 10:18 KJB - But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

    Romans 10:19 KJB - But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

    Romans 10:20 KJB - But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

    Romans 10:21 KJB - But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
    As the peoples Israel of old provoked God, He would provoke them, that they might yet believe, and enter into God's rest.

    The word of God, even from the beginning separates light from darkness:

    Genesis 1:4 KJB - And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
    ... and does so in the heart, which without God is without form and void, unformed and unfilled, incomplete and unfulfilled.
  2. mark wright

    mark wright Member

    Who are you writing all this stuff to? No one seems interested. Can't say I blame them
  3. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

    Actually that is not true. I am looking forward to having a look at it :oldthumbsup:
  4. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

    United States
    As a Christian, then it ought to be a burden upon your heart to come to me, a brother, in humility, and share with me where specifically I am in error [if so] from scripture [KJB], and to pray and study with me.

    Therefore, I ask, where, in all that has been written in this thread, am I specifically in error. Please demonstrate this claim for all to see, and I will be most glad to look at the material with you.

    I have, and even written on it many times in these threads, and in response to you and others.

    See also - The Lord's Day and the Sabbath are different days of the week

    See also - The Sabbath-day Law Can Be Violated

    See also - The Sabbath-day Law Can Be Violated


    This thread is speaking about the Law of God, and the Sabbath of the LORD, of God, and not of men.

    What of the many texts evidenced in this thread which demonstrates otherwise, such as Hebrews 3-4? Isaiah 56:1-8; Acts 14:15,16, 15:15-21, 17:30 KJB, etc?
    Last edited: May 21, 2018
  5. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

    United States
    Hebrews 4:13 KJB - Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

    The word of God in Hebrews 4:12 KJB searches us as we read it [for it, like a mirror [a looking glass] reveals true selves in the face of the standard of God's character], and yet even still God already knows all things, even the end from the beginning:

    Isaiah 46:9 KJB - Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

    Isaiah 46:10 KJB - Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

    As seen here -

    For the God who created all things is the God who knows all things, and sees all things, by His Omniscience, and knows whether we believe, whether we have living faith, and so do according to that faith by keeping His commandments, for as the Word of God [the Great Physician] is sharper than any twoedged sword, being absolute truth, a surgical scalpel of purest light, it cuts through everything, dividing darkness, laying open before all what is in the heart, showing whether we truly "rest" with God, or are still at "enmity" with God, for nothing is hidden from God; for as the first man Adam could not truly hide from God, neither could he hide in his bosom his transgression [Genesis 3:10; Job 31:33 KJB], so can none of mankind who were in Adam then, but if we move from our hiding places, leaving our excuses, and come to God, at the calling of God to repentance, He will abundantly pardon, clothe us in His righteousness [law-abiding, love] and cleanse us from all our unrighteousness [law-breaking, selfishness], cast out the devil, take away our doubts and fears, place "enmity" [Christ Jesus the seed] for sin [1 John 3:4 KJB] within and give back unto us the "rest" with God, so restoring the first dominion within, and thus to come, without:

    1 Chronicles 28:9 KJB - And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

    Job 26:6 KJB - Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.

    Job 34:21 KJB - For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings.

    Job 34:22 KJB - There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.

    Psalms 33:13 KJB - The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.

    Psalms 33:14 KJB - From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.

    Psalms 33:15 KJB - He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.

    Psalms 44:20 KJB - If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;

    Psalms 44:21 KJB - Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

    Psalms 90:8 KJB - Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.

    Psalms 139:1 KJB - To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me.

    Psalms 139:2 KJB - Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.

    Psalms 139:3 KJB - Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.

    Psalms 139:4 KJB - For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.

    Psalms 139:5 KJB - Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.

    Psalms 139:6 KJB - Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

    Psalms 139:7 KJB - Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

    Psalms 139:8 KJB - If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

    Psalms 139:9 KJB - If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

    Psalms 139:10 KJB - Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

    Psalms 139:11 KJB - If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.

    Psalms 139:12 KJB - Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

    Psalms 139:13 KJB - For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

    Psalms 139:14 KJB - I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

    Psalms 139:15 KJB - My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

    Psalms 139:16 KJB - Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

    Psalms 139:17 KJB - How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

    Psalms 139:18 KJB - If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.

    Psalms 139:19 KJB - Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

    Psalms 139:20 KJB - For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

    Psalms 139:21 KJB - Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

    Psalms 139:22 KJB - I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

    Psalms 139:23 KJB - Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

    Psalms 139:24 KJB - And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

    Proverbs 15:3 KJB - The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

    Proverbs 15:11 KJB - Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?

    Jeremiah 17:10 KJB - I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

    John 2:24 KJB - But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

    John 2:25 KJB - And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

    Romans 8:27 KJB - And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

    1 Corinthians 2:10 KJB - But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    1 Corinthians 4:5 KJB - Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

    Revelation 2:23 KJB - And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.​
  6. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

    Yep good discussion T7C,

    I have so much to catch up on reading wise. I like how this thread links much of the NEW Testament scriptures back to their source in the OLD Testament. I believe in this same approach of comparing the OLD to the NEW as everything from the NEW comes from the OLD.

    Many do not realise that the OLD Testament was the bible of Jesus and the Apostles and is the origin of where the NEW Testament comes from. These are the two great witnesses that make up the WORD of God that we are to live by.

    The OLD Testament shines it's LIGHT on the NEW (Psalms 119:105; Isaiah 8:20) and without it, and God's guidence who can understand what the NEW is talking about?

    Thanks for sharing
  7. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

    United States
    Hebrews 4:14 KJB - Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

    "Seeing then" is akin to saying "therefore". Thus as we take in the word of God from Hebrews 1 through Hebrews 4, as given through Paul by the Holy Ghost, taking each step, precept upon precept, line upon line, having begun at the foundation, we come to understand the purpose of God in sending His Son, and our absolute need of salvation and redemption from sin, and so have need of the Gospel as it is in Christ Jesus, who is both the offering of the atonement in sacrifice [being "bought"; Leviticus 25:50,51 KJB] and so too the atonement as High priest ministering His blood that was shed in Gethsemane and upon Calvary's tree before the Father in the Heaevnly Sanctuary, first in the Holy Place, and then in the Most Holy Place [being "brought" [Leviticus 25:38,42,55 KJB] back to perfect love]. We are led back in our thinking to that which was said previously:

    Hebrews 1:10 KJB - And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

    Hebrews 2:9 KJB - But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

    Hebrews 2:14 KJB - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    Hebrews 3:1 KJB - Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
    For the "Apostle" [Christ Jesus, the highest Messenger of the Father's Love, Michael the archangel, the eternal Son - Link-http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=10930346204581685709 and see also - Link-http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=02188528893778979904], of the Father, was sent as the Sacrifice, as the Gospel. And having completed the Sacrifice, "It is finished", He must then take up His second work as the great High Priest to minister the shed blood of His Sacrifice, for a sacrifice without an priest is of no avail.

    Yet, why all the need of the shed blood of the Sacrifice and the ministration of the High Priest? It was because all men, every man in Adam, [except Jesus Christ], has transgressed the Holy Law of God, the Ten Commandments. The Holy Law of God, which is Love, for God Himself is Love, being the foundation of His Kingdom and Government, the written transcript of His perfect Character was violated through our selfishness, but we are redeemed through His unselfishness, having so loved the world, that the Father sent His Son to redeem us from all sin [Matthew 1:21 KJB], and so demonstrating the perfect love by His self-Sacrifice, to destroy the works of the devil, the transgression of the Law of God's love.

    Thus we see Jesus being sent from the Father, being born of the likeness of sinful flesh, living the perfect life of love without sin, as both substitute and example, dying as the Sacrifice for all mankind, shedding His own blood, His own life, and being buried, and rising again, to take up what He began, as Highpriest, as the Author and Finisher of our faith, the redemption of mankind from satan, sin and selfishnes, applying the blood to the heart, by and through the Holy Ghost, bringing us back into perfect atonement with God and His Law of love the Ten Commandments.

    Jesus did not remain on earth, but ascended to the Heavenly Sanctuary, the Holy Place [Revelation 1:10-20, 2:1, 3:1, 4:1-5:14; Psalms 24:1-10; Hebrews 9:2,6,8 KJB], and much later move into the Most Holy Place on the anti-typical Day of Atonement [Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:26-32; Daniel 7:9-10,13-14,22; Zechariah 3:1-10; Hebrews 9:3-5,7-8; Revelation 3:7-8 KJB], to accomplish and Finish the work in the True Tabernacle which the LORD pitched and not man, otherwise if he had remaioned on earth, He should not be a priest, and we could have no redemption:

    Hebrews 8:4 KJB - For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
    The ARK of the Covenant HAS BEEN FOUND since AD 1844! The Sabbath Commandment [Ex. 20:8-11] is seen!
    Thus we see in Hebrews 4's conclusion, what we find later in Hebrews 9:

    Hebrews 9:11 KJB - But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

    Hebrews 9:12 KJB - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    Hebrews 9:13 KJB - For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

    Hebrews 9:14 KJB - How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    Hebrews 9:15 KJB - And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

    Hebrews 9:16 KJB - For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

    Hebrews 9:17 KJB - For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

    Hebrews 9:18 KJB - Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

    Hebrews 9:19 KJB - For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

    Hebrews 9:20 KJB - Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

    Hebrews 9:21 KJB - Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

    Hebrews 9:22 KJB - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

    Hebrews 9:23 KJB - It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

    Hebrews 9:24 KJB - For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

    Hebrews 9:25 KJB - Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

    Hebrews 9:26 KJB - For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

    Hebrews 9:27 KJB - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    Hebrews 9:28 KJB - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
    As it is written:

    Isaiah 42:21 KJB - The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
    The Sacrifice of Christ Jesus, proves the immutability of God's character, His Law, the Ten Commandments of Love. That Jesus died to uphold God's Mercy and Justice, in a single sacrifice, gives infinite weight to the magnitude of the Law of God, and the love and infinite value that the single sinner [the person] has to God, and the enormity of the hatred that God has for sin, because of what sin does, bringing about eternal death, the very anti-thesis to Him who is eternal life.

    If any other Gospel is preached, which teaches to transgress even one of God's Commandments in any way, they have marginalized the sacrifice of God in Christ Jesus, despised the shed blood of the Son and counted it as an unclean thing, and cast away the ministration in the Heavenly places [plural], and thrown back into the face of God His offer of mercy and redemption from sin, satan and selfishness.

    Yet by faith, we can "follow" the Lamb of God in His work, from what He did on earth, and follow Him into the Heavens, into His work in the Holy Place, having ascended there from earth, and follow Him when He moved from there, into the Most Holy Place, in the anti-typical Day of Atonement, now taking place [Daniel 8:13-14,26; Revelation 9:13-15 KJB], and follow Him yet still as He closes that work, blots out our sins [Acts 3:19 KJB], and follow Him as He returns to earth soon, without sin:

    Hebrews 9:28 KJB - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
    Hold fast to this profession.
    Last edited: May 25, 2018
  8. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

    United States
    Hebrews 4:15 KJB - For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    We, who are Christians, then indeed have an "high priest", who is Jesus Christ. When was Jesus "made" an "high priest"?

    Hebrews 5:5 KJB - So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

    Hebrews 6:20 KJB - Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

    Hebrews 7:26 KJB - For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

    Hebrews 9:11 KJB - But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
    After He ascended to heaven [this the second time, this time] from the Mt. Olivet:

    Hebrews 8:4 KJB - For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
    Pentecost reveals the anointing of Jesus as High Priest in Heaven, by the Father, as foretold in type:

    Exodus 29:5 KJB - And thou shalt take the garments, and put upon Aaron the coat, and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastplate, and gird him with the curious girdle of the ephod:

    Exodus 29:6 KJB - And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.

    Exodus 29:7 KJB - Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour it upon his head, and anoint him.

    Exodus 29:21 KJB - And thou shalt take of the blood that is upon the altar, and of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon the garments of his sons with him: and he shall be hallowed, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.

    Leviticus 8:2 KJB - Take Aaron and his sons with him, and the garments, and the anointing oil, and a bullock for the sin offering, and two rams, and a basket of unleavened bread;

    Leviticus 8:6 KJB - And Moses brought Aaron and his sons, and washed them with water.

    Leviticus 8:7 KJB - And he put upon him the coat, and girded him with the girdle, and clothed him with the robe, and put the ephod upon him, and he girded him with the curious girdle of the ephod, and bound it unto him therewith.

    Leviticus 8:8 KJB - And he put the breastplate upon him: also he put in the breastplate the Urim and the Thummim.

    Leviticus 8:9 KJB - And he put the mitre upon his head; also upon the mitre, even upon his forefront, did he put the golden plate, the holy crown; as the LORD commanded Moses.

    Leviticus 8:10 KJB - And Moses took the anointing oil, and anointed the tabernacle and all that was therein, and sanctified them.

    Leviticus 8:11 KJB - And he sprinkled thereof upon the altar seven times, and anointed the altar and all his vessels, both the laver and his foot, to sanctify them.

    Leviticus 8:12 KJB - And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.

    Psalms 8:5 KJB - For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

    Psalms 8:6 KJB - Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

    Psalms 110:1 KJB - A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

    Psalms 110:3 KJB - Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

    Psalms 110:4 KJB - The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

    Psalms 133:1 KJB - A Song of degrees of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

    Psalms 133:2 KJB - It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

    Psalms 133:3 KJB - As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.

    Revelation 5:6 KJB - And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    Acts 2:1 KJB - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

    Acts 2:2 KJB - And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

    Acts 2:3 KJB - And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

    Acts 2:4 KJB - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    Acst 2:33 KJB - Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    Hebrews 2:9 KJB - But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

    Hebrews 4:16 KJB - Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

    Hebrews 5:6 KJB - As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

    Hebrews 7:17 KJB - For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

    Hebrews 7:21 KJB - (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
    Jesus the "head" was anointed in Heaven, and the oil [symbol of the Holy Ghost] poured out in Heaven at Pentecost [the promise of the Father, which Jesus claimed and received], came down to the "skirts of his garment", the very "body" of Christ on earth, down to Mt. Zion, where the "body" was. The faith of those assembled as one accord, of the body of Christ on earth, had reached upward, and entered into the "upper room", the Holy Place in Heaven, where Jesus was, Revelation 1:10-20, 2:1, 3:1, 4:1-11, 5:1-6 KJB.

    There is another "upper room" for us today [Leviticus 16;1-34, 23:26-32; Daniel 7:9-10,13,22, 8:13-14,26; Revelation 3:7-8, 9:13-15, 10:6, 11:1-2,19, 14:6-12, 15:5 KJB, etc], the Most Holy Place in Heaven, for we who are Christ Jesus', "follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth" [Revelation 14:4 KJB], and understand what He was doing all of this time, is doing now, and is about to do. Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world ...
    ... to be continued ...
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  9. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    Hebrews 4:15 KJB - For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    ... continued ...

    Jesus is not a sinner, though he had taken on the likeness of sinful flesh as we have. When the text says, "All have sinned ...", Jesus is excluded, as other texts reveal:

    Hebrews 2:16 KJB - For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.​

    The question then is, what kind of nature do unfallen [ooops, I gave it away] Heavenly Angels have, as opposed to every child of fallen Adam, and since Jesus did not take on that nature of Heavenly angels, that only leaves the other.

    Romans 1:3 KJB - Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;​

    If it were not so, Jesus could never have "condemned sin in the flesh", being His flesh that He took upon Himself.

    Romans 8:3 KJB - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    [for "likeness" see Philippians 2:7; Romans 6:5]​

    Keep in mind this text always:

    John 3:6 KJB - That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.​

    It really is simple, eh?

    1 Peter 4:1 KJB - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

    Hebrews 2:17 KJB - Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    Galatians 4:4 KJB - But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    Romans 5:19 KJB - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.​

    The so-called Evangelical 'gospel' is no Gospel at all when compared to the infinite value of the True and Everlasting Gospel...


    The lineage of Jesus given in both Matthew [Matthew 1:1-18; "son of David, the son of Abraham"] and Luke [Luke 3:23-38; "[son of] Adam", etc] is easily seen in the lives and history of Jesus' ancestors, of which He Himself inherited of their fleshly nature when He was made of a woman.

    Jesus has for flesh and blood ancestors, murderers, thieves, harlots, idolators, etc, but none of that makes Him as such [a sinner], but He did and does inherit the flesh and blood, fallen flesh nature, like as we. For He was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin, and His temptations were far greater [not less].

    How many sons of Adam were born from Adam after His sin? All of them, including all of us here, and also Jesus, being born of Mary [Matthew 1:16], who was of the line, the seed according to the flesh, of David.

    David acknowledges his heritage in the Psalms, and Jesus is called the "son of David", and also the "son of Abraham". Did they have sinful flesh? Were they born after Adam's fall? Yes.

    To be born with sinful flesh is not to be born with the guilt of sin/transgression. The scripture teaches that to [commit] sin [of comission or omission] is to be a transgressor [of the Law], not simply being born with sinful flesh.

    If all will go with me to other scriptures please, where it describes this "flesh" [sarx]:

    "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..." [John 1:14]

    "GOD manifest in the flesh" [1 Timothy 3:16],

    "the LORD from Heaven" [1 Corinthians 15:47],

    "made of a woman" [Galatians 4:4],

    "made of the seed of David according to the flesh" [Romans 1:3],

    "...to every seed his own body..." [1 Corinthians 15:38],

    "...of the fruit of his [David's] loins, according to the flesh..." [Acts 2:30]

    of the "seed of Abraham" [Hebrews 2:16],

    even "as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same" [Hebrews 2:14] [what flesh are we born with, that He partook of then, what blood?]

    and "in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren" [Hebrews 2:17],

    that we might have "...known Christ after the flesh..." [2 Corinthians 5:16],
    and scripture giving us the family line and genealogy of that very flesh [sarx] and blood nature He took upon Himself [Matthew 1:1-25; Luke 3:23-38]

    the "[the son] of Adam" [Luke 3:38]

    as it is said, "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" [Philippians 2:7],

    and "...in the days of His flesh..." [Hebrews 5:7],

    "was in all points tempted like as [we are yet] without sin" [Hebrews 4:15],

    and in His death it is written, "...my flesh shall rest in hope..." [Acts 2:26], and

    "...his soul [being/person] was not left in the grave, neither his flesh did see corruption..." [Acts 2:31] because He was/is...

    "holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners" [Hebrews 7:26]

    that "holy thing" [Luke 1:35]

    and "holy child" [Acts 4:27,30]

    born of the "Holy Ghost" [Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:35],

    where even though He came in the likeness [Romans 8:3; Philippians 2:7; etc] of sinful flesh, yet He was without sin:

    "...lamb shall be without blemish..." [Exodus 12:5]

    "… But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none." [Matthew 26:60]

    "...the innocent blood..." [Matthew 27:4]

    "...For he knew that for envy they had delivered him. ..." [Matthew 27:18]

    "… Have thou nothing to do with that just man …" [Matthew 27:19]

    "… Why, what evil hath he done? …" [Matthew 27:23]

    "… I am innocent of the blood of this just person …" [Matthew 27:24]

    "The said Pilate … I find no fault in this man.” [Luke 23:4]

    "… Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:" [Luke 23:14]

    "… what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him ..." [Luke 23:22]

    "...lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him." [Luke 23:15]

    "...this man hath done nothing amiss." [Luke 23:41]

    "… Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man." [Luke 23:47]

    "...I have kept my Father's commandments..." [John 15:10]

    "...I find in him no fault [at all]." [John 18:38]

    "...I find no fault in him." [John 19:4]

    "...I find no fault in him." [John 19:6]

    "...the obedience of one..." [Romans 5:19]

    "...who knew no sin..." [2 Corinthians 5:21]

    "...without sin." [Hebrews 4:15]

    "...[who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners..." [Hebrews 7:26]

    "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:" [1 Peter 2:22]

    "...in him is no sin." [1 John 3:5]

    "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God..." [Hebrews 9:4;p]

    ...and thereby, in the same likeness of sinful flesh as we, yet living without sin, never having sinned, never once transgressed the Holy Law of God; Jesus showed that with God there is no excuse for sin and thus "...condemned sin in the flesh." [Romans 8:3];

    "...having crucified the flesh..." [Galatians 5:24],

    and "...nailing it to His cross." [Colossians 2:4],

    "Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh..." [1 Peter 4:1];

    even "...being put to death in the flesh..." [1 Peter 3:18],

    and we are to be "...crucified with Christ..." [Galatians 5:24],

    "In the body of His flesh through death..." [Colossians 1:22],

    become dead to the penalty of the Law, the 2nd Death, "...by the body of Christ..." [Romans 7:4],

    that we might be "...members of His body, and of His flesh, and of His bones." [Ephesians 5:30],

    by a "...new and living way, which He hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh;" [Hebrews 10:20]

    so that we may know this, "...Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." [Romans 6:6]

    "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:" [Hebrews 10:5]

    "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." [1 Peter 2:24]

    "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]." [Hebrews 10:10]

    Therefore, we have this hope, "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." [Philippians 3:21]

    Therefore, it is very important to understand with what flesh Jesus came, not only to the Everlasting Gospel [Genesis 3:15; Revelation 14:6-7, etc], and how Christ Jesus is to save us from sin [Matthew 1:21; not in it] and to redeem us unto God, it is written,

    "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:" [1 John 4:2]

    What flesh is John speaking about? The very likeness of sinful flesh we have, of the race of Adam, for he says, "...our hands have handled, of the Word of life." [1 John 1:1]

    And it is written of those which refuse this, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." [1 John 4:3]

    "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." [2 John 1:7]

    And who teaches that Jesus did not come in that sinful flesh?

    The Mother of Harlots [Revelation 17], through its particular Dogma...

    ...and also her harlot daughters ...

    ...there are many "...not discerning the Lord's body." [1 Corinthians 11:29]​

    Please read Romans 5 carefully and prayerfully, and especially see Romans 5:19 and read it several times and come to understand what it is powerfully saying, along with all the places in Revelation which speaks about over coming, even as He overcame in the flesh.

  10. The7thColporteur

    The7thColporteur Well-Known Member

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    Hebrews 4:16 KJB - Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.​

    The final "therefore" of Hebrews 4, and so because we do indeed have such an High Priest as Christ Jesus, entered into the Heavens and the True Tabernacle which the LORD pitched and not man, as a man, who lived with the likeness of sinful flesh amongst men with the same sinful flesh, yet without sin, Jesus knows what it is like to be tempted in all points [in greater capacity than we can know], and yet have victory over every one, and so gives us the strength and example to live as He lived, and so taken back to Hebrews 2 once again:

    Hebrews 2:9 KJB - But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

    Hebrews 2:10 KJB - For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

    Hebrews 2:11 KJB - For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

    Hebrews 2:12 KJB - Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

    Hebrews 2:13 KJB - And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

    Hebrews 2:14 KJB - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    Hebrews 2:15 KJB - And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

    Hebrews 2:16 KJB - For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

    Hebrews 2:17 KJB - Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

    Hebrews 2:18 KJB - For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.​

    And so, we, as humanity, have a most powerful representative, even our Head, who stands before the Heavenly Father for us, interceeding and being our great Advocate in the Heavens, and so we may indeed, in Christ Jesus, come boldly before the throne of Grace, while there is still time to do so, and be cleansed of all unrighteousness.

    Humanity can live without sin, in the Grace of God, and we can so walk, even as Jesus perfectly walked:

    1 John 2:6 KJB - He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.​

    There is indeed a "time" for everything under the sun, and this "time" of "need" will only last so long:

    Ecclesiastes 3:1 KJB - To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

    Ecclesiastes 3:2 KJB - A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

    A time to be born again. A time to die to the old man. A time to plant the seed of Christ into the heart. A time to uproot the old man of sins ways. As it is written:

    Matthew 15:13 KJB - But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
    Ecclesiastes 3:3 KJB - A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

    A time to kill lusts of the flesh. A time to heal the heart. A time to break down barriers of doubt, discouragment and selfish works. A time to edify, and be built up in Christ Jesus.
    Ecclesiastes 3:4 KJB - A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

    A time to weep over our sins. A time to laugh/rejoice in God's deliverance. A time to mourn for the breaking of God's heart through our sin. A time to dance, and leap for joy, shouting our Salvation, Christ Jesus!
    Ecclesiastes 3:5 KJB - A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

    A time to cast away stones for the stoning of others, pointing at their sins. A time to gather stones, for the destruction of sin, see Psalms 149:1-9 KJB. A time to embrace and kiss the Son, and a time to cease from carrying around the body of this death.
    Ecclesiastes 3:6 KJB - A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

    A time to get God's righteousness and character. A time to lose the practices of sin. A time to keep that which God freely gave. A time to cast away our filthy rags.
    Ecclesiastes 3:7 KJB - A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

    A time to rend the heart for having hurt our Father in Heaven. A time to sew to the Spirit of God, rather than to the flesh. A time to keep silence before God in listening to Him speak by His Holy Spirit through His word. A time to speak forth the Everlasting Gospel as found therein.
    Ecclesiastes 3:8 KJB - A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

    A time to love, which always is. A time to hate sin, which always is. A time of war, against the flesh, the world and the devil, even satan, sin and selfishness. A time of peace and atonement with God, having been brough back into relationship with Him through His Son, Christ Jesus, and by/through the Holy Ghost. The Gospel is Peace, and it only goes out so long, and the offers of mercy extend only so long, for God is long-suffering, not endlessly suffering and will not hae those whom He loves, endlessly suffering. There is a "time" ...
    Sin has a limit, and is not eternal:

    James 1:15 KJB - Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.​

    The Sanctuary [Psalms 77:13 KJB] shows what will happen to sin and sinners who do not come to saving Faith in the blood of the Lamb:

    Psalms 73:17 KJB - Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

    Psalms 73:18 KJB - Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.

    Psalms 73:19 KJB - How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.​

    As the animals had the sins placed upon them, they were filled with terrors, were to be killed, cut into pieces and burned unto ashes, while their blood poured out upon the ground.

    As for our "need", in our degredation and pitiful condition, God looked upon us, and poured out all in His Son Christ Jesus:

    Deuteronomy 15:8 KJB - But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.

    1 John 3:17 KJB - But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

    [What did the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit give unto us?]
    Matthew 6:8 KJB - Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

    Matthew 6:32 KJB - (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

    Matthew 9:12 KJB - But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

    Mark 2:17 KJB - When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

    Luke 5:31 KJB - And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

    Luke 9:11 KJB - And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.

    Philippians 4:19 KJB - But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
    Let us beware then of not seeing that we all have "need" of Christ Jesus, unless we become as those who think they have no more "need" of Christ Jesus and the victory over sins He offers:

    Revelation 3:17 KJB - Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:​
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  11. Pyong Ping

    Pyong Ping Member

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    When truth and light is presented from the scriptures, and carried home to the heart by the Holy Ghost, and men's hearts are hardened in rebellion and in sin, and refuse that light, that all manner of things off topic will come out of their mouths, and manifest in their actions, for instance, the woman at the well:

    John 4:4 And he must needs go through Samaria.
    John 4:5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.
    John 4:6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
    John 4:7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
    John 4:8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
    John 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
    John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
    John 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
    John 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
    John 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
    John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
    John 4:15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.
    John 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
    John 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
    John 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
    John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
    John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
    John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
    John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
    John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
    John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
    John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
    John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
    Jesus told her that He was the "I AM" before anyone else. However, notice that when Jesus pointed out her sin by implication, she changed subjects and deflected to a topic that was known to cause contention among the Jews and Samaritans. The place of worship (which is actually the heart).

    Thus those who have read even a small portion of this thread on Hebrews 3-4, and change the subject and deflect to another (which they themselves do not understand) demonstrate that they are hiding as Adam from God, and seek to cover their sin as fast as possible. Their conscience is pricked and they seek to hide from the light and truth, lest they have to admit the truth of the word of God, and their error from it and confess unto God and be delivered. They have the opportunity to cling to their darkness, or to embrace the light that now shines. If they choose darkness, their sin remaineth, and they choose to remain blind (in darkness) and now they are guilty, with no more cloak for their sin, being unmasked, and it is registered in the books of Heaven, and the wages for sin is death. They shall not escape the execution of the judgment to follow.

    God is love, and He is warning every man, for He would have all come to repentance and so be saved, calling upon the name of the LORD of the seventh day the sabbath, Jesus (JEHOVAH Immanuel).

    Those who do not acknowledge their Creator (Exodus 20:8-11) and ignore His clear command, will not be redeemed (because they chose not to be saved from their sin; Matthew 1:21; 1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:1-17), for the same God who is Creator, is also Redeemer.
  12. Pyong Ping

    Pyong Ping Member

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    This "rest" (sabbatismos) remains for us today, and thus a further warning is given by Paul to not forsake the gathering ourselves together on this day:

    Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

    Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.​

    Therefore, do not forsake the gathering ourselves together, especially upon the sabbath of the LORD thy God, for to knowingly neglect to keep the Sabbath holy, is willful "sin" (1 John 3:4).

    The sabbath of the LORD is called "an holy convocation":

    Exodus 12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

    Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.​

    A "convocation" is a gathering together (see also Isaiah 1:13, 4:5; Numbers 10:2).
  13. liberty of conscience

    liberty of conscience created anew

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    Hebrews 3-4 (among many others; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7, Acts 4:24, 14:15; Revelation 10:6, 14:6-7, &c).

    Hebrews 3-4 is clear.

    Hebrews 4:3, "my (God's) rest" and "the works were finished from the foundation of the world", which is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3. It even uses the word "finished". God rested the 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3. It is His rest, the 7th day, the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God, Exodus 20:8-11.

    Hebrews 4:4, "he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works", which "certain place" is Genesis 2:1-3; re-cited in Exodus 20:8-11. The 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.

    Hebrews 4:5, "my (God's) rest)", citing Psalms 95, which is citing Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11, etc. Again, this is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of God at Creation in Genesis 2:1-3.

    Hebrews 4:6, "remaineth", from when? "from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3 and thus it is not new, but has been around from the beginning.

    Hebrews 4:9, "rest", sabbatismos, literally and truly sabbath keeping in scripture and in all known extant Greek sources, dictionaries, and so on and again "remaineth".

    Hebrews 4:10, "his (God's) rest", which is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God from Genesis 2:1-3., "as God did from his (works)", which "works were finished from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3.

    Hebrews 4:11, "that rest" (ie God's rest), the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.
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  14. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

    Absolutely brother. I really do not understand how people try to say or argue that God's WORD in Hebrews 3 and 4 does not mean what it says.
  15. Matthew ten Verseight

    Matthew ten Verseight Messenger with a Message from Jesus

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    I'd start a study on Hebrews 4, but this thread has already done that. All I can say is, if someone hasn't read through this study, whether they were pro or con to the 7th day the sabbath, they are missing out on some excellent material.
  16. Bob S

    Bob S Well-Known Member Supporter

    Heb3:16 Who were those who heard and refused to obey? Weren’t they all the people Moses led out of Egypt? 17 Who was God angry with for 40 years? Wasn’t it with those who sinned? They died in the desert. 18 God promised that those people would never enjoy the rest he planned for them. God gave his word when he made that promise. Didn’t he make that promise to those who didn’t obey? 19 So we see that they weren’t able to enter. That’s because they didn’t believe.

    The Israelite Sabbathkeepers never entered the rest that God had planned for them. Wait, They were Sabbath-keepers, they rested on their special day, didn't they? Well, God said they never entered the Rest He had planned for them so the Rest He had planned for them was not the weekly Sabbath now was it? Jn5:16 Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath day. So the Jewish leaders began to oppose him. 17 Jesus defended himself. He said to them, “My Father is always doing his work. He is working right up to this day. I am working too.”

    The Rest God has planned for His children is plainly seen is not stopping ones work on the old covenant Sabbath, Israel, even though they were unbelievers, observed the Seventh-day. The Jews the writer of Hebrews were Sabbath-keepers already, so what is the Rest God had planned that had not been entered into? Is it some other day? I wouldn't think it was. The rest the Jews had was a physical rest. The Rest God had planned for them has to be a Spiritual Rest. Heb 4:1 says it is His Rest still promised. How does one come to enter His Rest? Heb 4 tells us that it is by believing. He tells us the Jews didn't have faith to believe what they heard. Jews couldn't enter God's Rest from the foundation of the World because of unbelief. They lacked faith and never entered God's rest. Sabbath-keepers never enter God's Rest.

    Believe what you want, but we have absolutely no evidence that Abraham was a Sabbath-keeper yet He was a man of faith, a believer and God recognized his faith. He found God's Rest. Moses is the one who wrote of him, so the Israelites knew but did not enter. Those Sabbath-keeping Israelites never entered God's Rest.

    Heb4:9-11 9 So there is still a Sabbath rest for God’s people. 10 God rested from his work. Those who enjoy God’s rest also rest from their works. 11 So let us make every effort to enjoy that rest. Then no one will die by disobeying as they did.
  17. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    If Jesus is present, then it's OK.