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Heaven is right here, not somewhere else and the nature of God

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Animal2692, Oct 13, 2021.

  1. timothyu

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    Turning off one light bulb in a house while the others remain on does not mean the power source has been eliminated
     
  2. timothyu

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    Born of the spirit
     
  3. timothyu

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    Extensions of. Self awareness breaks the connection as happened in the Garden
     
  4. Animal2692

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    All points of view are of the mind whereas consciousness is the viewing. Consciousness is non-local and universal, it is nondual in nature. It sees neither good nor bad or right and wrong. It just is. Only consciousness is conscious, it is self evident, it knows itself by being itself. It can be likened to space or silence. It's peace and love itself. Consciousness is never disturbed by its contents. It is the most simple and obvious element in our experience. But due to its sheer simplicity, it is often overlooked out of habit to reach for some sort of object of attention.

    The truth is I exist, but this 'I' is not an object. I cannot find myself, I can only be myself. My being is non other than God's being. A cat is, a dog is, the sky is. That isness is not limited to any particular object.

    Whatever happens in a movie, the screen remains unaffected, yet all there is to the movie is the screen. Don't get lost in the movie, give your attention to the screen. Whether you feel angry or depressed, at the heart of it is nothing but love. The awareness of the depression is itself, not depressed. It eclipses all. Yeah God is the creator but the creator is nothing but love itself. The mind can never reach it, it is dissolved in it. There are no people, there is no mind, there is no world. There is just love.
     
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  5. friend of

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    Solipsism is a lie from the pit of hell, my friend.
     
  6. timothyu

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    Will that lead to persecution of animal2692 like in the case of the thinking (called also from the pit of hell) of bible believers who believed scripture over the authourity of popes?
     
  7. friend of

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    No. It is an admonishment that it is a false line of thinking that should be realized as such, and avoided in one's walk.
     
  8. timothyu

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    So was the church's admonishment of the so called false line of thinking the bible believers had contrary to the will of popes. Why should this not lead to any different results?
     
  9. BeyondET

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    God isn't homeless

    Isaiah 66:1
    Thus says the Lord, “Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool.
    Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest?

    John 14:2
    In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
     
  10. friend of

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    So what are you saying? Are you telling me I'm going to lynch the topic creator or something? Because that's not going to happen.
     
  11. timothyu

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    No I don't think you are, but just saying that line of thinking was no different than that of the inquisitors. They too could have just made accusations without carrying through. But someone always will once the idea is put forth..
     
  12. honey badger

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    before heavenly Jerusalem is seen, Babylon must first become desolate.

    their was a fellow i fellowshipped with here on CF which a tiny few could hear what he was saying, mostly his words came across as gobbledygook and he was scoffed at, but i saw in the way he strung words together that their was a different mind at play ( for a better word ) ... anyway he has since become like Enoch and entered in to the truth he is and in mind is at one with God ...

    sin is the perception of lack whereby all things become of gain.
     
  13. friend of

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    It's quite possible to disagree with someone and not persecute them.
     
  14. timothyu

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    There is a difference between disagreeing and condemning their idea as coming from the pit of hell. Perhaps it would be better to explain a personal view than condemn the idea of another. ?
     
  15. friend of

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    It's not his idea. He doesn't own it. Even so, I am condemning the idea, not the person himself.
     
  16. SkyWriting

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    It's a belief thing:

    Revelation 22:1-5
    Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

    Luke 23:43
    And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”

    Matthew 6:19-21
    “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

    Hebrews 11:16
    But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.

    2 Peter 3:13
    But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
     
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