Health care problems and solutions in politics

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That attitude murders your countrymen.

Study: 45,000 Deaths Per Year Due to Lack of Health Insurance




Nice strawman you built there, nicely knocked down too. What the heck is "regular wellness exams and disease testing"? Seriously? My single payer system diagnosed and paid for my kidney cancer. Is that different enough for you?

I would sure like to see the details behind this. It's easy to throw stuff out like this, the devil's in the details. Who exactly are the people that are saying because they don't have health insurance. What are they dying from and what would have health insurance done for them. Why don't they have health insurance? Too many questions for me.
 
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We have no individual healthcare plans. Everyone is covered for virtually all needed healthcare treatment.

(note that the term Medicare is the term for the generic, public healthcare system accessed by all Australians).

Medicare provides benefits for:
  • consultation fees for doctors, including specialists;
  • tests and examinations by doctors needed to treat illnesses, such as x-rays and pathology tests;
  • eye tests performed by optometrists;
  • most surgical and other therapeutic procedures performed by doctors in public hospitals;
  • some surgical procedures performed by approved dentists;
  • specific items under the Cleft Lip and Palate Scheme;
  • specific items under the Enhanced Primary Care (EPC) program; and
  • specific items for allied health services as part of the Chronic Disease Management Plan.
Pharmaceutical

Under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) you pay only part of the cost of most prescription medicines purchased at pharmacies. The rest of the cost is covered by the PBS.

The amount you pay varies, and is dependent on the type of medicine, up to a standard maximum. People with Government-issued concession cards have a lower maximum payment.

Medicare does not provide benefits for the following:
  • most dental examinations and treatment;
  • most physiotherapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy, eye therapy, chiropractic services, podiatry or psychology services;
  • acupuncture (unless part of a doctor's consultation);
  • glasses and contact lenses;
  • hearing aids and other appliances; and
  • home nursing.
You can arrange private health insurance to cover many of these services. Most insurers will have limits on how much you can claim per service and per year.
OB
What is covered by Medicare?

What do you do with people who can't afford the deductibles?
 
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EXACTLY! There is NO excuse for hearing aids and autdiology appointments not being covered as medical expenses. Now that pre-existing condition coverage is required by law it would be a simple change to add hearing aids to the list of devices and hearing tests to the list of exams that are covered by insurance.

Medicare is limited to certain doctors. You can keep the same private health insurance but not be covered anymore because you also have Medicare. That is one of the problems the government needs to fix when it finally solves the health care issues.

we finally agreed on something
 
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All I have are hearing aids without a remote. What is a TV streamer?

So the government should lower the cost of hearing aids to $1000 for a pair from any audiologist to make it fair, I guess.

I'd like to know exactly why they are so expensive. I know my mom got hearing aids and they didn't cost her that much. It also looks like Australia doesn't cover that either.
 
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I'd like to know exactly why they are so expensive. I know my mom got hearing aids and they didn't cost her that much. It also looks like Australia doesn't cover that either.

Are they custom-made digital hearing aids from an independent audiologist after a hearing test?
 
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One thing right now is Medicare doesn't cover the actual costs of things. So the costs are picked up by the private insurance. This creating enormous costs for everyone. That's why single payer seemingly works in other places. Doctors, hospitals etc take in less money because the government says you will and there isn't another option.
 
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I'd like to know exactly why they are so expensive. I know my mom got hearing aids and they didn't cost her that much. It also looks like Australia doesn't cover that either.

Read answer #34, I laid it all out, at least for the US. Many manufacturers will discount prices for aids with older technology, until they exhaust their stock. Some Audiologist, and manufactures will also sell used reconditioned aids which for some reason makes me want to hurl!
 
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Help is on the way....(the one issue Elizabeth Warren and Donald Trump agreed on).

So if she is elected next year I won't have to worry about the cost of my next pair?

I look forward to the day all of Congress agrees with her.
 
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  1. Require all employers with at least 25 employees to include health insurance benefits to part and full time workers.
The problem with having employers pay for health care is that
1. Not everyone is employed
2. In USA (it seems) that you have a lot of people with strong religious views, especially with regards to family planning, such as contraceptives, abortions, the morning after pill etc. This is fine if people are choosing to buy their own healthcare insurance, but if they are buying it for others i.e. employees, then they might have "moral" conflicts with regards to buying things which other people would call bare necessities.

I have no problems for employers to optionally offer medical coverage as an added extra, But I do have problems if employees need medical insurance and need employers to pay for it.

I think the government should subsidise medical care, be that a direct subsidy or via a country wide medical insurance for all. But also it should be allowed that private medial care and private insurance companies also exist for those people who want to buy extra coverage.
 
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So if she is elected next year I won't have to worry about the cost of my next pair?

I look forward to the day all of Congress agrees with her.

The bill was already signed into law..review the link for details...
 
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I'd like to know exactly why they are so expensive. I know my mom got hearing aids and they didn't cost her that much. It also looks like Australia doesn't cover that either.

Pensioners and veterans can get free or heavily subsidised hearing test/aids. This is separate to Medicare.
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In USA (it seems) that you have a lot of people with strong religious views, especially with regards to family planning, such as contraceptives, abortions, the morning after pill etc. This is fine if people are choosing to buy their own healthcare insurance, but if they are buying it for others i.e. employees, then they might have "moral" conflicts with regards to buying things which other people would call bare necessities.

I am not aware of any health insurance companies paying for abortions. The ACA excludes contraceptives because Republicans balked at the idea to include them. (FYI that is the law commonly called Obamacare in the United States. Its official name is the Affordable Care Act.)
 
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The bill was already signed into law. Review the link for details.

It is NOT for custom made digital hearing aids that people get through audiologists after hearing tests. So no, there is not yet a law that adds them to the list of covered medical devices. I am talking about hearing aids like my pair that costs $6000 not being covered by health insurance of government health care plans.
 
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Good point, however, Americans with a rash prefer to go straight to a Dermatologist. This is why managed care plans are the policies of last resort, people don't want to wait.
It's not about waiting - Its about managing health at the most appropriate point - So to use your example - Going straight to a Dermatologist may be unnecessary. In a well designed health structure, your local General Practitioner may be more than adequate; OR your systems could set up skin check clinics etc so that your suspicious mole or your flare up of psoriasis can be checked, before the need to go in the expensive direction of a Dermatologist. Its about using the health dollar more wisely, and for the objective of wellness ie treating the population before its a serious problem.

Primary Care is the best value for money. The USA suffers from an epidemic of Type Two diabetes and a dependency on joint replacement - higher than any other country in the OECD - Of course one of the major factors is the high obesity rate there.

Where few dollars are spent on primary care, the population is sicker, less fit, and more dependent on expensive care options - which if your poor, is a disastrous situation.

I know people are resistant to change - But really there's some fantastic benchmarks in health systems around the world - and change is needed or the USA wouldn't have such a poor individual health status compared to other OECD nations.
 
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I am not aware of any health insurance companies paying for abortions.
I'm not from USA, but a google search found this
Bans on Insurance Coverage of Abortion
"Most Americans with employer-based heath insurance currently have coverage for abortion care."

The ACA excludes contraceptives because Republicans balked at the idea to include them. (FYI that is the law commonly called Obamacare in the United States. Its official name is the Affordable Care Act.)
Thanks, yes I know. I don't like it when people call it Obama Care, those people tend to be people who don't like Obama and don't like anything associated to "Obama".

But I can understand why a staunch socially conservative Republican devout Catholic business owner might resent being forced to pay for contraceptives or abortion care.

If the government pays for it then you don't have that problem.
 
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