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Featured Healing through the laying on of hands is for today

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Johnny4ChristJesus, Jan 27, 2019.

  1. Pethesedzao

    Pethesedzao Well-Known Member

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    That would come under the Gift of Miracles (10 To another the working of miracles)
     
  2. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    I've seen people healed with laying on of hands. I've seen the ultra sounds that proved it too. Heard the doctors shock when the healing happened.
     
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  3. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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  4. Monk Brendan

    Monk Brendan Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I don't know who you mean by "we," but the Pre-reformation churches have always had this, though more usually we anoint with specially blessed oil.
     
  5. Llewelyn Stevenson

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    The other way round, brother.

    1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
     
  6. Llewelyn Stevenson

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    The laying on of hands is God's gift to the Church. There is no reason to fear it.
     
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  7. Llewelyn Stevenson

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    I think you will find there are those being raised from the dead, however it is better to deal with sickness before death, would you not agree? What would your doctor say if you waited till your wife or husband died then took the body to him saying, make them live again?
     
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  8. Pethesedzao

    Pethesedzao Well-Known Member

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    What translation r u reading?
     
  9. Pethesedzao

    Pethesedzao Well-Known Member

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    You're right, my apologies
     
  10. aiki

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    Why? Why should it be a "mainstay" of Christian belief? It is certainly something God does on occasion, but when I think of a "mainstay" of Christianity I think of the Gospel, the Trinity, the Second Coming of Christ, the Lord's Table, Baptism, and the Final Judgment, not healing. On what basis should healing stand on par with these pillars, these "mainstays" of Christian belief?

    How do you know any of this? Proof, please (as opposed to your personal feeling).

    Actually, they want to hate God because of their wicked, self-centered hearts. (Jeremiah 17:9; Ephesians 2:1-3; Colossians 1:21)

    Why would you struggle with this? Why should God heal everyone you touch?

    Or, maybe God doesn't use healing at every turn because it isn't a vital part of how He interacts with us. Epaphroditus fell deathly ill but did not receive miraculous healing (Philippians 2:25-27); neither did Trophimus (2 Timothy 4:20); Paul recommended a little wine as a medicinal for Timothy's stomach, not healing (1 Timothy 5:23); and Dorcas (aka Tabitha) a faithful disciple of Jesus became ill and died. She was not miraculously healed by her fellow disciples of Christ nor was she able to heal herself. (Ac. 9:36, 37) Peter, however, arrived and in his special position as an apostle successfully appealed to God to resurrect her from the dead. Why, if healing is a mainstay of Christian living, did these people not get healed immediately upon falling ill?

    This isn't what Jesus said, though. He said that those who seek for miraculous supernatural proofs of God (aka "signs") are wicked and perverse. How many who want healings at every turn and suggest that a Christian isn't really living in faith when he doesn't want the same, are seeking after a sign? In my experience, every single one. Any spiritual gift that makes you look down your nose at your brothers and sisters in Christ and despise them as "doubting Thomases" is not, I think, from God.

    Healing isn't necessary to pursuing - or achieving - this end. Paul points to Creation, and to conscience, and to Scripture as the primary means through which God reveals Himself. Paul says nothing at all, though, of the importance of God revealing Himself through miraculous healing. Nothing.

    If you want to claim a miracle happened, then you need to be prepared to prove it. If you can't, the skepticism of others is entirely warranted.

    "Follow" is not "define." Those signs listed in Mark 16:16-18 do not define a believer, or even certify that they are one. And Jesus does not say that such signs will be the common everyday experience of a believer, either.

    Preaching is not a sign of unbelief, either. It is more likely to be an indicator of belief than not, I think. Preaching the Gospel was certainly what the first born-again believers did when the Spirit baptized them into Christ. (Acts 2)

    Yes, and so are believers.
     
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  11. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    You want to live with the traditions of men who didn't see God move like Scripture accounts for. I understand, you wear the tag. Go for it. But, don't think you have God with you on that. If you do believe you and your theology are right, I will speak for God and tell you that you are wrong without hesitation!
     
  12. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    And you would be wrong. Both are not only possible with God, but happen with God.
     
  13. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    The sad thing is that there are some who expect God is blessing their services and their people, but don't allow Him to do what He wants to do in their lives to make them walking testimonies for Him. They reject what He wants to do, because they don't want to look silly. It is a real shame. Scripture refers to them as "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof" and Scripture rightly instructs us "from such turn away", because if we don't, we might get caught into their deceptions. Who could it be that has a form of godliness, but denies the power? It certainly isn't those who pray for the sick, like Scripture instructs, and see them healed.
     
  14. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Huh? I don't understand what you are saying. I have seen people without faith healed. I have seen people without faith see someone they trusted get healed and it messes them up. But, there are those who will find every excuse to not believe. Too bad for them.
     
  15. Pethesedzao

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    In the main, according to your faith so be it
     
  16. Pethesedzao

    Pethesedzao Well-Known Member

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    Without faith it is impossible to please ?
     
  17. Pethesedzao

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    At the Name of Jesus every knee shall bow. Preach Christ crucified and devils will have to bow...
     
  18. aiki

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    Kinda' figured this would be the route you'd take in response. Ah, well. You can lead a horse to water...

    Anyway, you can "speak for God" all you like, but I'm not the least convinced that you actually do. My last post lays out why.

    2 Timothy 4:20
    20 ...Trophimus I have left in Miletus sick.
     
  19. David Neos

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    Tradition of men is an ironic strawman.
     
  20. David Neos

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    The Orthodox Church has a big history of miracle making but we don't proclaim it as the most essential part of our teachings. However, my main problem with healing by laying hands is the accusation that someone didn't get healed because he/she didn't have enough faith or were sinners.
     
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